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[pavyracer]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-gets-tariffs-americans-price-180747935.html

Trump gets tariffs; Americans get price hikes

(Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump is getting his tariffs. Companies are making it clear how they intend to deal with it - passing them on to American consumers.

Throughout the spring, big retailers and consumer product makers warned that levies on imported goods would squeeze their operations, forcing them to choose between lower earnings and passing on higher costs to customers.

In the case of Procter & Gamble (PG) and others, it is both of those things.

On Tuesday, the packaging giant, which makes household basics spanning from Bounty paper towel to Tide detergent, issued a sour outlook for 2025 and sent a message to big retailers like Walmart that it would have to raise prices on some U.S. goods from next week.

This challenge facing companies in coming quarters will likely feed through to everyday consumers. P&G said it would raise prices on about a quarter of its products in the U.S. to help offset the cost of new tariffs.

Price hikes are in the mid-single digits across categories, a spokesperson for the company said.

While U.S. stock indexes have soared to record highs this year, built on massive investment in technology shares, many consumer bellwethers have struggled.

Since Trump's April 2 "Liberation Day" tariff announcements, P&G shares have declined 19%; Nestle (NSRGY) is down 20%; Kimberly-Clark (KMB) has lost 11%, and PepsiCo (PEP) is off nearly 7%, while the benchmark S&P 500 stock index has gained more than 13%.


Consumer goods, food and drink companies have struggled with lackluster sales since the pandemic, as shoppers have balked at increasingly expensive name-brand packaged food. Nestle said last week that consumers in North America remained wary of paying more at the cash register.

More price hikes will deepen investor worries about how big brands are navigating the combined challenge of thrifty consumers and hefty costs created by Trump's trade war.

"You're going to see companies like Walmart (WMT), Amazon (AMZN), and Best Buy (BBY) forced to pass price increases to consumers," said Bill George, former chairman and CEO of Medtronic and executive education fellow at Harvard Business School.

"Main Street has yet to see the fallout from increased tariffs - and they're going to go higher."

Between July 16 and 25, companies in the Reuters global tariff tracker said they expected to lose a combined $7.1 billion to $8.3 billion for the full year.

[guitarjosh]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...180747935.html

Trump gets tariffs; Americans get price hikes

(Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump is getting his tariffs. Companies are making it clear how they intend to deal with it - passing them on to American consumers.

Throughout the spring, big retailers and consumer product makers warned that levies on imported goods would squeeze their operations, forcing them to choose between lower earnings and passing on higher costs to customers.

In the case of Procter & Gamble (PG) and others, it is both of those things.

On Tuesday, the packaging giant, which makes household basics spanning from Bounty paper towel to Tide detergent, issued a sour outlook for 2025 and sent a message to big retailers like Walmart that it would have to raise prices on some U.S. goods from next week.

This challenge facing companies in coming quarters will likely feed through to everyday consumers. P&G said it would raise prices on about a quarter of its products in the U.S. to help offset the cost of new tariffs.

Price hikes are in the mid-single digits across categories, a spokesperson for the company said.

While U.S. stock indexes have soared to record highs this year, built on massive investment in technology shares, many consumer bellwethers have struggled.

Since Trump's April 2 "Liberation Day" tariff announcements, P&G shares have declined 19%; Nestle (NSRGY) is down 20%; Kimberly-Clark (KMB) has lost 11%, and PepsiCo (PEP) is off nearly 7%, while the benchmark S&P 500 stock index has gained more than 13%.


Consumer goods, food and drink companies have struggled with lackluster sales since the pandemic, as shoppers have balked at increasingly expensive name-brand packaged food. Nestle said last week that consumers in North America remained wary of paying more at the cash register.

More price hikes will deepen investor worries about how big brands are navigating the combined challenge of thrifty consumers and hefty costs created by Trump's trade war.

"You're going to see companies like Walmart (WMT), Amazon (AMZN), and Best Buy (BBY) forced to pass price increases to consumers," said Bill George, former chairman and CEO of Medtronic and executive education fellow at Harvard Business School.

"Main Street has yet to see the fallout from increased tariffs - and they're going to go higher."

Between July 16 and 25, companies in the Reuters global tariff tracker said they expected to lose a combined $7.1 billion to $8.3 billion for the full year.

So you also think all corporate taxes should be eliminated as they'll also be pushed onto the consumer, right?

[Optional]

So you also think all corporate taxes should be eliminated as they'll also be pushed onto the consumer, right?

You know how you know you have no argument?

You extrapolate what your enemy says into a completely different thing, and then argue that your lie is a stupid thing for them to be saying.

Ya know, just like when I posted about how bad the sex trafficking cover up was, so you railed at me for claiming Trump is a pedo?

Can you see the same pattern in your arguments that the rest of us can?

[pavyracer]

So you also think all corporate taxes should be eliminated as they'll also be pushed onto the consumer, right?

Everyone pays taxes either corporate taxes or income taxes. Now on top of that they have to pay tariff tax to import the goods and then the consumers pay more at the store. So yes, tariffs are an additional corporate tax on the importers and an additiona sales tax on the consumers. It's a very easy concept to grasp. And no, the country exporting the goods is not paying the taxes like Taco keeps saying.

[khicks26]

You know how you know you have no argument?

You extrapolate what your enemy says into a completely different thing, and then argue that your lie is a stupid thing for them to be saying.

Ya know, just like when I posted about how bad the sex trafficking cover up was, so you railed at me for claiming Trump is a pedo?

Can you see the same pattern in your arguments that the rest of us can?

Josh in real life.

[19th Hole]

[Hareeba!]

Trump sued the WSJ over a birthday card, and yet Michael Wolff is saying he saw pictures from Epstein’s safe of Trump engaged in direct paedophile activity.

Why hasn’t Trump sued Wolff? Or any of the many women who’ve accused Trump of sexual assault?

Because it’s all true.

[guitarjosh]

You know how you know you have no argument?

You extrapolate what your enemy says into a completely different thing, and then argue that your lie is a stupid thing for them to be saying.

Ya know, just like when I posted about how bad the sex trafficking cover up was, so you railed at me for claiming Trump is a pedo?

Can you see the same pattern in your arguments that the rest of us can?

1) Is your position that tariffs are passed onto the consumer but corporate taxes aren't? Go ahead and show how that works.

2) Name one time I've ever railed at you for calling Trump a pedo.

Everyone pays taxes either corporate taxes or income taxes. Now on top of that they have to pay tariff tax to import the goods and then the consumers pay more at the store. So yes, tariffs are an additional corporate tax on the importers and an additiona sales tax on the consumers. It's a very easy concept to grasp. And no, the country exporting the goods is not paying the taxes like Taco keeps saying.

That's not the question. The question is why are you so against Trump's tariffs while supporting the raising of corporate taxes and acting like that won't be passed onto the consumer?

[guitarjosh]

Josh in real life.

Hicks in real life:

[19th Hole]

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American Journalist Goes To Palestine, What He Finds Is Beyond SHOCKING!

[DwightShrute]

Trump sued the WSJ over a birthday card, and yet Michael Wolff is saying he saw pictures from Epstein’s safe of Trump engaged in direct paedophile activity.

Why hasn’t Trump sued Wolff? Or any of the many women who’ve accused Trump of sexual assault?

Because it’s all true.

He never said that. You are lying yet again

[DwightShrute]

Show me the pic's of the Iran nuclear sites that are in ruins. WTF are you talking about c um boy?

is that what Secular Cuck is saying?

[khicks26]

Hicks in real life:

LOL This from the freak that thinks the Brits won WW2.

[Optional]

1) Is your position that tariffs are passed onto the consumer but corporate taxes aren't? Go ahead and show how that works.

2) Name one time I've ever railed at you for calling Trump a pedo.

1) We are talking about blanket tariffs across everything. You are only trying to talk about corporate tax as you have no cogent argument to say tariffs designed to collect billions of extra tax from Americans on top of the existing corporate tax structure are good for average Americans.

If you think corporate tax is bad, go ahead and make your argument. But what do you think about the problem of the disproportionate way these widespread affects lower income earners?

I can think of what could be done to address that. Can you?

I think if you have a good faith think about it you will also see the potential problems it could create, for you personally.

2) A couple of days ago, I replied complaining about it at the time. I guess you didn't read that if you are asking this now.

[Optional]

He never said that. You are lying yet again

Wolff actually did say that.

It's one of the things I thought you should hear for yourself when I was encouraging you to watch the interview.

[khicks26]

is that what Secular Cuck is saying?

Satellite images show a miss. A waste of a Billion dollars cult boy. Set the program back by two weeks c um drinker.

What did the White House News Network say? LMAO

[pavyracer]

1) Is your position that tariffs are passed onto the consumer but corporate taxes aren't? Go ahead and show how that works.

2) Name one time I've ever railed at you for calling Trump a pedo.


That's not the question. The question is why are you so against Trump's tariffs while supporting the raising of corporate taxes and acting like that won't be passed onto the consumer?

When did I support raising the corporate taxes that are already in place? Tariffs affect my day to day life with high inflation. My electric bill is 15% higher this year, I can't buy a new car without paying $10,000 or more than last year, hamburger and steaks are up 20%, appliances are up 25%, laundry soap is up 15%. It all adds up on being worse than I was since last year. I think you are confusing me with someone else. Nobody goes to the store to shop and comes home happy because everything is so much more expensive than last year and cheers about tariffs!

[DwightShrute]

Satellite images show a miss. A waste of a Billion dollars cult boy. Set the program back by two weeks c um drinker.

What did the White House News Network say? LMAO

They do not show a miss. Where do you get your information from?



It was perfectly executed.

[khicks26]

They do not show a miss. Where do you get your information from?



It was perfectly executed.

Says who? The White House?

Prove it clown.

[DwightShrute]

Wolff actually did say that.

It's one of the things I thought you should hear for yourself when I was encouraging you to watch the interview.

I watched it. Show me where he said that Trump engaged in pedophile activity.

[khicks26]

Says who? The White House?

Prove it clown.

You can't prove it because your in a cult.

Dumbass wouldn't there be a massive radiation leak if they hit those sites? Wouldn't the fall out ruin Pakistan farmland? Wouldn't Pakistan then nuke Isreal? YES YES and YES. Did any of those things happen. NO dumbass

[khicks26]

Dwight watching The White House News Network.


Look at a map you fuking idiot.

[DwightShrute]

You can't prove it because your in a cult.

Dumbass wouldn't there be a massive radiation leak if they hit those sites? Wouldn't the fall out ruin Pakistan farmland? Wouldn't Pakistan then nuke Isreal? YES YES and YES. Did any of those things happen. NO dumbass

*you're

No there wouldn't be a massive radiation leak! Is that what you really think? .

Hurry, back to Farron and Secular Cuck.

[khicks26]

*you're

No there wouldn't be a massive radiation leak! Is that what you really think? .

Hurry, back to Farron and Secular Cuck.

Oh God.

Yes there would be. Why else was Pakistan willing to give Iran a nuclear bomb? I bet you didn't hear that on the White House News. LMAO.

It was a billion dollar bomb show so c um drinkers like you would think Trump was really doing something.

[guitarjosh]

LOL This from the freak that thinks the Brits won WW2.

Now you're fighting against a straw man. I never said the Brits won WW2, maybe the Russians. I did say that given Hitler's megalomania and belief that he was the greatest military mind in the world, who could lead the German war effort on gut, combined with the UK & USSR being able to throw so many men at the Axis that the UK/USSR would have won eventually, even if it had taken years longer. Just look at the timeline. Within 1 month of Pearl Harbor, the Germans had lost the Battle of Moscow. Roughly 13 months later, the Battle of Stalingrad was over and Germany was in a slow retreat on their Eastern front for the rest of the war. The only real fighting the US and German forces had in that time was Dieppe Raid, which only involved a few dozen US troops, and some fighting in Tunisia. Whether we got involved or not, Germany was on the defense on the Eastern front for the rest of the war, and they would have lost anyway. We did hasten the end, but the writing was on the wall in early 1943.

1) We are talking about blanket tariffs across everything. You are only trying to talk about corporate tax as you have no cogent argument to say tariffs designed to collect billions of extra tax from Americans on top of the existing corporate tax structure are good for average Americans.

If you think corporate tax is bad, go ahead and make your argument. But what do you think about the problem of the disproportionate way these widespread affects lower income earners?

I can think of what could be done to address that. Can you?

I think if you have a good faith think about it you will also see the potential problems it could create, for you personally.

2) A couple of days ago, I replied complaining about it at the time. I guess you didn't read that if you are asking this now.

1) Again, I've never defended tariffs. If you have access to the old political forum, look at how many times I've criticized Trump in the first term and the negative impact tariffs will have on the economy. I do try to talk about corporate taxes, since the same party that is screaming that tariffs are inflationary is also demanding corporate tax hikes, as if that won't be passed onto the average American.

Yes, I think corporate taxes are bad and passed onto average Americans. If we eliminated all corporate taxes, the money companies are sending to the IRS won't disappear and go to money heaven, it will still exist. Corporations can use that to boost the # of workers, increase worker compensation, or pass it on to the consumer. In America, the reason we have so many lower income earners is our K-12 system is terrible, and designed to give the NEA, which is closely tied to the democrats, jobs for their members. If we made necessary changes, the NEA members will be infuriated and that would hurt the democrats' chances at getting and keeping power.

2) The only thing I can find from a few days ago was post #23456, where I said that if there was anything that damning about Trump in the Epstein Files, the Biden administration would have already released it. You weren't referring to Trump as a pedo, I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

[guitarjosh]

When did I support raising the corporate taxes that are already in place? Tariffs affect my day to day life with high inflation. My electric bill is 15% higher this year, I can't buy a new car without paying $10,000 or more than last year, hamburger and steaks are up 20%, appliances are up 25%, laundry soap is up 15%. It all adds up on being worse than I was since last year. I think you are confusing me with someone else. Nobody goes to the store to shop and comes home happy because everything is so much more expensive than last year and cheers about tariffs!

Well you were the one with the Obama 2028 hat as your avatar, I assumed that since he has called for raising the corporate taxes, as have most democrats, you'd support it as well.

[khicks26]

Now you're fighting against a straw man. I never said the Brits won WW2, maybe the Russians. I did say that given Hitler's megalomania and belief that he was the greatest military mind in the world, who could lead the German war effort on gut, combined with the UK & USSR being able to throw so many men at the Axis that the UK/USSR would have won eventually, even if it had taken years longer. Just look at the timeline. Within 1 month of Pearl Harbor, the Germans had lost the Battle of Moscow. Roughly 13 months later, the Battle of Stalingrad was over and Germany was in a slow retreat on their Eastern front for the rest of the war. The only real fighting the US and German forces had in that time was Dieppe Raid, which only involved a few dozen US troops, and some fighting in Tunisia. Whether we got involved or not, Germany was on the defense on the Eastern front for the rest of the war, and they would have lost anyway. We did hasten the end, but the writing was on the wall in early 1943.

1) Again, I've never defended tariffs. If you have access to the old political forum, look at how many times I've criticized Trump in the first term and the negative impact tariffs will have on the economy. I do try to talk about corporate taxes, since the same party that is screaming that tariffs are inflationary is also demanding corporate tax hikes, as if that won't be passed onto the average American.

Yes, I think corporate taxes are bad and passed onto average Americans. If we eliminated all corporate taxes, the money companies are sending to the IRS won't disappear and go to money heaven, it will still exist. Corporations can use that to boost the # of workers, increase worker compensation, or pass it on to the consumer. In America, the reason we have so many lower income earners is our K-12 system is terrible, and designed to give the NEA, which is closely tied to the democrats, jobs for their members. If we made necessary changes, the NEA members will be infuriated and that would hurt the democrats' chances at getting and keeping power.

2) The only thing I can find from a few days ago was post #23456, where I said that if there was anything that damning about Trump in the Epstein Files, the Biden administration would have already released it. You weren't referring to Trump as a pedo, I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

Fight Straw with Straw. LOL

Yes, you did because your a limey bastard with his head up his ass.

[khicks26]

Epstein’s Black Book That Terrifies The Elite

[guitarjosh]

Fight Straw with Straw. LOL

Yes, you did because your a limey bastard with his head up his ass.

Except I don't use straw men, you do.

Find the place where I said GB could have won WW2 on their own. You can't because I never said it. The only point I was making was that American troops didn't need to be in the air or on the ground in literal combat against the Germans and Italians, and they still would have lost the war.

You're just lying because you have serious mental health problems.

[DwightShrute]

Good for Ana. She has gone from a Level 5 TDS sufferer 10 years ago to a person who shows she is capable to thinking again. Slightly. Proving that its not a mental disorder which there is no escape. She's now fluctuating from a TDS3 to TDS4 level.

She's gone on Megyn Kelly's show and Pier Morgan's as well recently. I still disagree with most of what she says, but she's definitely grown up a little and not a full time screaming retard like she used to be. Good to see.

https://x.com/i/status/1949515128694874137

[DwightShrute]

[jt315]

Satellite images show a miss. A waste of a Billion dollars cult boy. Set the program back by two weeks c um drinker.

What did the White House News Network say? LMAO

You’re giving Hareballs a run for his money .

What an absolute fool .

[Hareeba!]

https://x.com/i_retrievers/status/1950216086844010534/photo/1

As a long-time gambler I'd rate it at in excess of 1000/1


And yet again this abomination of a site "upgrade" has failed to display a posted link!

[Hareeba!]

Paid maternity leave, in weeks.

Austria 52
Germany 43
Japan 36
Canada 27

USA - ZERO

But sure, let’s promote ourselves as a family friendly country of opportunity.

[khicks26]

Except I don't use straw men, you do.

Find the place where I said GB could have won WW2 on their own. You can't because I never said it. The only point I was making was that American troops didn't need to be in the air or on the ground in literal combat against the Germans and Italians, and they still would have lost the war.

You're just lying because you have serious mental health problems.

Didn't read.