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  • OldBill
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    • 11-02-21
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    Thee worst president ever in history is>>>
    The Worst President in History


    Three particular failures secure Trump’s status as the worst chief executive ever to hold the office.

    By Tim Naftali



    AFP/ CORBIS / LIFE / GETTY / THE ATLANTIC
    January 19, 2021

    About the author: Tim Naftali is a clinical associate professor of history at NYU. He was the first director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

    President Donald Trump has long exulted in superlatives. The first. The best. The most. The greatest. “No president has ever done what I’ve done,” he boasts. “No president has ever even come close,” he says. But as his four years in office draw to an end, there’s only one title to which he can lay claim: Donald Trump is the worst president America has ever had.


    In December 2019, he became the third president to be impeached. Last week, Trump entered a category all his own, becoming the first president to be impeached twice. But impeachment, which depends in part on the makeup of Congress, is not the most objective standard. What does being the worst president actually mean? And is there even any value, at the bitter end of a bad presidency, in spending energy on judging a pageant of failed presidencies?





    Trump was a serial violator of his oath—as evidenced by his continual use of his office for personal financial gain—but focusing on three crucial ways in which he betrayed it helps clarify his singular historical status.

    First, he failed to put the national-security interests of the United States ahead of his own political needs.

    Second, in the face of a devastating pandemic, he was grossly derelict, unable or unwilling to marshal the requisite resources to save lives while actively encouraging public behavior that spread the disease.

    And third, held to account by voters for his failures, he refused to concede defeat and instead instigated an insurrection, stirring a mob that stormed the Capitol.




    Many chief executives have failed, in one way or another, to live up to the demands of the job, or to competently discharge them. But historians now tend to agree that our worst presidents are those who fall short in the second part of their pledge, in some way endangering the Constitution.

    And if you want to understand why these three failures make Trump the worst of all our presidents, the place to begin is in the basement of the presidential rankings, where dwell his rivals for that singular dishonor.



    Like the 45th president, Nixon ascended to office by committing an original sin. As the Republican presidential nominee, Nixon intervened indirectly to scuttle peace negotiations in Paris over the Vietnam War. He was worried that a diplomatic breakthrough in the 11th hour of the campaign would help his Democratic rival, Hubert Humphrey. For Nixon, it set the pattern for future presidential lies and cover-ups.




    Trump, too, put his political prospects ahead of any sense of duty. As a candidate, Trump openly appealed to Russia to steal his opponent’s emails.

    Then, as Russia dumped hacked emails from her campaign chair, he seized on the pilfered materials to suggest wrongdoing and amplified Russian disinformation efforts. Extensive investigations during his administration by then–Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t produce any evidence suggesting that he directly abetted Russian hacking, but those investigations were impeded by a pattern of obstructive conduct that Mueller carefully outlined in his report.



    Trump’s heartless and incompetent approach to immigration, his use of tax policy to punish states that didn’t vote for him,

    his diversion of public funds to properties owned by him and his family, ( aka embesselment)

    his impulsive and self-defeating approach to trade, and his petulance toward traditional allies assured on their own that he would not be seen as a successful modern president.

    But those failures have more to do with the first part of his oath. The case that Trump is not just the worst of our modern presidents but the worst of them all rests on three other pillars, not all of which have a Nixonian parallel.


    Trump is the first president since America became a superpower to subordinate national-security interests to his political needs. Nixon’s mishandling of renewed peace negotiations with Hanoi in the 1972 election campaign led to the commission of a war crime, the unnecessary “Christmas bombing” at the end of that year. But it cannot compare, in terms of the harm to U.S. national interests, to Trump’s serial subservience to foreign strongmen such as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey, Kim Jong Un of North Korea, and, of course, Russia’s Vladimir Putin—none of whom act out of a sense of shared interests with the United States.

    Trump’s effort to squeeze the Ukrainians to get dirt on his likely opponent in 2020, the cause of his first impeachment, was just the best-documented instance of a form of corruption that characterized his entire foreign policy.




    The second pillar is Trump’s dereliction of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, which will have killed at least 400,000 Americans by the time he leaves office. In his inaugural address,

    Trump vowed an end to “American carnage,” but in office, he presided over needless death and suffering.

    Trump’s failure to anticipate and then respond to the pandemic has no equivalent in Nixon’s tenure; when Nixon wasn’t plotting political subversion and revenge against his perceived enemies, he could be a good administrator.


    Trump, of course, is not the first president to have been surprised by a threat to our country. Franklin D. Roosevelt was caught off guard by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Trump, like FDR, could have tried to redeem himself by his management of the response.

    But Trump lacked FDR’s intellectual and leadership skills. Instead of adapting, he dug in, denying the severity of the challenge and the importance of mask wearing and social distancing while bemoaning the likely damage to his beloved economy.



    Trump continued to insist that he was in charge of America’s coronavirus response, but when being in charge required him to actively oversee plans—or at least to read and approve them—he punted on the tough issues of ramping up testing, and was painfully slow to secure sufficient protective equipment and ventilators.

    FDR didn’t directly manage the Liberty ship program, but he grasped its necessity and understood how to empower subordinates.

    Trump, instead, ignored his own experts and advisers, searching constantly for some silver bullet that would relieve him of the necessity of making hard choices. He threw money at pharmaceutical and biotech firms to accelerate work on vaccines, with good results, but went AWOL on the massive logistical effort administering those vaccines requires.


    In doubling down on his opposition to basic public-health measures, the president crossed a new line of awfulness.

    Three of Trump’s tweets on April 17, 2020—“LIBERATE VIRGINIA,” “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!,” and “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!”—moved him into Pierce and Buchanan territory for the first time:

    The president was promoting disunity. The “liberation” he was advocating was civil disobedience against stay-at-home rules put in place by governors who were listening to public-health experts. Trump then organized a series of in-person rallies that sickened audience members and encouraged a wider public to put themselves at risk.


    Trump channeled the same divisive spirit that Pierce and Buchanan had tapped by turning requests from the governors of the states that had been the hardest hit by the coronavirus into opportunities for partisan and sectarian attack.



    Fifty-eight thousand 58,000 Americans had already died of the virus when Trump signaled that ignoring or actively violating public-health mandates was a patriotic act.


    Over the summer, even as the death toll from COVID mounted, Trump never stopped bullying civic leaders who promoted mask wearing, and continued to hold large in-person rallies, despite the risk of spreading the virus.

    When the president himself became sick in the fall, rather than being sobered by his personal brush with serious illness, the president chose to turn a potential teachable moment for many Americans into a grotesque carnival. He used his presidential access to experimental treatment to argue that ordinary Americans need not fear the disease. He even took a joyride around Walter Reed National
    Military Medical Center in his closed, armored SUV to bask in the glow of his supporters’ adulation while endangering the health of his Secret Service detail.


    American presidents have a mixed record with epidemics. For every Barack Obama, whose administration professionally managed the threats from Ebola and the H1N1 virus, or George W. Bush, who tackled AIDS in Africa, there’s been a Woodrow Wilson, who mishandled the influenza pandemic, or a Ronald Reagan, who was derelict in the face of AIDS. But neither Reagan nor Wilson actively promoted risky behavior for political purposes, nor did they personally obstruct federal-state partnerships that had been intended to control the spread of disease. On those points, Trump stands alone.


    The third pillar of the case against Trump is his role as the chief instigator of the attempted insurrection of January 6.

    Although racism and violent nativism preceded Trump, the seeds of what happened on January 6 were planted by his use of the presidential bully pulpit.

    No president since Andrew Johnson had so publicly sympathized with the sense of victimhood among racists. In important ways, Nixon prefigured Trump by conspiring with his top lieutenants to use race, covertly, to bring about a realignment in U.S. politics. Nixon’s goal was to lure racists away from the Democratic Party and so transform the Republican Party into a governing majority.

    Trump has gone much further. From his remarks after the
    neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to his effort to set the U.S. military against the Black Lives Matter movement, Trump has openly used race in an effort to transform the Republican Party into an agitated, cult-like, white-supremacist minority movement that could win elections only through fear, disenfranchisement, and disinformation.




    Both Trump and Nixon sought to subvert any serious efforts to deny them reelection. Nixon approved a dirty-tricks campaign, and his chief of staff Bob Haldeman approved the details of an illegal espionage program against the eventual Democratic nominee. Nixon won his election but ultimately left office in the middle of his second term because the press, the Department of Justice, and Congress uncovered his efforts to hide his role in this subversion. They were helped in large part by Nixon’s absentminded taping of his own conversations.




    Trump never won reelection. Instead, he mounted the first effort by a defeated incumbent to use the power of his office to overturn a presidential election. Both men looked for weaknesses in the system to retain power.

    But Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election put him in a class of awfulness all by himself.
    When the numbers didn’t go his way, Trump accelerated his disinformation campaign, alleging fraud in states that he had won in 2016 but lost four years later. The campaign was vigorous and widespread.

    Trump’s allies sought court injunctions and relief from Republican state officials. Lacking any actual evidence of widespread fraud, they lost in the courts. Despite having exploited every constitutional option, Trump refused to give up.




    It was at this point that Trump went far beyond Nixon, or any of his other predecessors. In 1974, when the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in U.S. v. Nixon that Nixon had to turn over his White House tapes to a special prosecutor, Nixon also ran out of constitutional options. He knew that the tapes proved his guilt, and would likely lead to his impeachment and then to his conviction in the Senate. On July 24, Nixon said he would comply with the order from a coequal branch of our government, and ultimately accepted his political fate. In the end, even our most awful presidents before 2017 believed in the continuation of the system they had taken an oath to defend.


    But not Trump. Heading into January 6, 2021, when Congress would ritually certify the election,

    Trump knew that he lacked the Electoral College votes to win or the congressional votes to prevent certification. He had only two cards left to play—neither one of which was consistent with his oath.

    He pushed Vice President Mike Pence to use his formal constitutional role as the play-by-play announcer of the count to unconstitutionally obstruct it, sending it back to the states for recertification.

    Meanwhile, to maintain pressure on Pence and Republicans in Congress, he gathered some of his most radicalized followers on the Mall and pointed the way to the Capitol, where the electoral count was about to begin. When Pence refused to exceed his constitutional authority, Trump unleashed his mob. He clearly wanted the count to be disrupted.




    On January 6, Trump’s legacy was on a knife’s edge. Trump likely knew Pence’s intentions when he began to speak to the mob. He knew that the vice president would disappoint his hopes.

    In riling up the mob and sending it down Pennsylvania Avenue, he was imperiling the safety of his vice president and members of Congress. If there was any doubt that he was willing to countenance violence to get his way, it disappeared in the face of the president’s long inaction, as he sat in the White House watching live footage of the spreading assault.


    And he may do still more damage before he departs.
    Andrew Johnson left a political time bomb behind him in the nation’s capital. After the Democratic Party refused to nominate Johnson for a second term and Ulysses S. Grant won the election as a Republican, Johnson issued a broad political amnesty for many Confederates, including leaders who were under indictment such as the former president of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis.
    So much of the pain and suffering this country experienced in the Trump years started with that amnesty.

    Had Davis and top Confederate generals been tried and convicted, polite society in the South could not have viewed these traitors as heroes.

    Now Trump is hinting that he wishes to pardon those who aided and abetted him in office, and perhaps even pardon himself—similarly attempting to escape accountability, and to delay a reckoning.

    As Trump prepares to leave Washington, the capital is more agitated than during any previous presidential transition since 1861, with thousands of National Guard troops deployed around the city.

    There have been serious threats to previous inaugurations. But for the first time in the modern era, those threats are internal. An incumbent president is being asked to discourage terrorism by supporters acting in his name.




    There are many verdicts on Donald Trump still to come, from the Senate, from juries of private citizens, from scholars and historians. But as a result of his subversion of national security, his reckless endangerment of every American in the pandemic, and his failed insurrection on January 6, one thing seems abundantly clear: Trump is the worst president in the 232-year history of the United States.

    quote "I didnt cause that insurrection on jan 6th a stolen rigged election did"


    make sure you vote using your brain and all resources in 2024
  • Thrilla
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    • 03-10-15
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    #2
    Excellent post Bill
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    • dogkatcher
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-14-10
      • 632

      #3
      Biden in a Landslide. Trump, you have to be kidding.
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      • ChuckyTheGoat
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        • 04-04-11
        • 37198

        #4
        1) Lyndon B Johnson: corroborated to kill the sitting president, in order to take power.

        2) Nixon: took the USA off the gold standard. Think about it, feeling the wrath today.

        3) Harding: lot of corruption.
        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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        • ChuckyTheGoat
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          • 04-04-11
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          #5
          Originally posted by dogkatcher
          Biden in a Landslide. Trump, you have to be kidding.
          We'll see what the history books say about Biden. I'm not about dumping a bad situation on the President who takes power.

          But he sure as hell didn't help and he's accelerated most problems. Furthermore, should a President be just a figurehead when his mental faculties are diminished and he has to rely on others to make decisions?
          Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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          • FullStrength
            SBR High Roller
            • 11-05-14
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            #6
            The one that looked like a monkey

            hussain obama saddam barrack. Whatever his name was.
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            • The Kraken
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              • 12-25-11
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              #7
              People saying Biden or Trump

              Both lame af for sure, but not bottom 3

              Obama probably one of the best Pres in history, top 5
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              • Itsamazing777
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-14-12
                • 12602

                #8
                Biden. 33 percent approval. Lowest in history. He won't beat anyone in 24 after his failure.


                You already posted this in the Trump Biden thread, and got laughed out of there with facts. Is that why you posted this here?
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                • b1slickguy
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                  • 11-24-11
                  • 11959

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                  1) Lyndon B Johnson: corroborated to kill the sitting president, in order to take power.

                  2) Nixon: took the USA off the gold standard. Think about it, feeling the wrath today.

                  3) Harding: lot of corruption.

                  Nailed it.
                  Add Wilson to the list, too.


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                  • ChuckyTheGoat
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                    #10
                    Salud, slicker.

                    Been re-reading my "Creature from Jekyll Island". Wow, you talk about some financial criminals. How many WORDS have they put forth in a direct attempt to deceive the citizens?

                    I'm also of the opinion that the historical events between 1963 and 1971 were not just a "coincidence." It was greed and power to the n-th degree. Citizens feeling the brunt today, as it unwinds.
                    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                    • b1slickguy
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                      • 11-24-11
                      • 11959

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                      Salud, slicker.

                      Been re-reading my "Creature from Jekyll Island". Wow, you talk about some financial criminals. How many WORDS have they put forth in a direct attempt to deceive the citizens?

                      I'm also of the opinion that the historical events between 1963 and 1971 were not just a "coincidence." It was greed and power to the n-th degree. Citizens feeling the brunt today, as it unwinds.
                      Great book and a must read. It's shocking how many people believe the Federal Reserve is an agency of the US government. Henry Ford said it best: “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
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                      • Seaweed
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                        #12
                        Obama
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                        • thetrinity
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                          • 01-25-11
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                          1) Lyndon B Johnson: corroborated to kill the sitting president, in order to take power.

                          2) Nixon: took the USA off the gold standard. Think about it, feeling the wrath today.

                          3) Harding: lot of corruption.
                          Come on chuck, I liked Harding. He used to host drunken gambling sessions all night at the white house. How bad could he be?
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                          • Thrilla
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FullStrength
                            hussain obama saddam barrack. Whatever his name was.
                            Racist
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                            • Thrilla
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                              • 03-10-15
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seaweed
                              Obama
                              U2 weeder

                              disappointed
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                              • BOA12
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                                • 02-19-12
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by b1slickguy
                                Great book and a must read. It's shocking how many people believe the Federal Reserve is an agency of the US government. Henry Ford said it best: “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
                                Bankers policing bankers.
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                                • Mr KLC
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                                  #17
                                  1. Herbert Hoover - The "owner" of the Great Depression
                                  2. George W. Bush - Iraq, Handling of Mortgage and Banking Crisis
                                  3. Woodrow Wilson - Introduced us to federal income taxes
                                  4. Lyndon Johnson - The "Great Society" coming to an inner city near you
                                  5. Jimmy Carter - Threw gasoline on the 70's inflation
                                  6. Richard Nixon - Took away the gold standard, started the 70's inflation

                                  Incomplete - Joe Biden
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                                  • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by thetrinity
                                    Come on chuck, I liked Harding. He used to host drunken gambling sessions all night at the white house. How bad could he be?
                                    Ha-ha. Been doing my Harding reading.

                                    Sounds like he didn't take the job too seriously. Did like the party aspect. And, of course, he had a mistress to enjoy his time with.
                                    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                    • JIBBBY
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                                      • 12-10-09
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                                      #19
                                      Worst Presidents in recent history are -

                                      1) Joe Biden

                                      2) Jimmy Carter

                                      3) Barak Obama



                                      Greatest Presidents in recent history are Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump without a doubt!
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                                      • JIBBBY
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                                        • 12-10-09
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                                        #20
                                        On a side note worst VICE PRESIDENT of all time could be Kamala Harris. That's certainly up for debate now at this point.
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                                        • b1slickguy
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                                          • 11-24-11
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BOA12
                                          Bankers policing bankers.
                                          Along with bankers writing the laws governing bankers.
                                          They can't lose. And when they do we bail them out.
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                                          • Thrilla
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                                            #22
                                            Trump worst not even up for discussion
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                                            • JIBBBY
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                                              • 12-10-09
                                              • 83686

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Thrilla
                                              Trump worst not even up for discussion
                                              America was doing so much better economically under the Trump Presidency then your fan boy Joe Biden is doing now.

                                              That is a fact, just look at the recent markets and polls. You are delusional Thrilla. Wake up!
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                                              • Mr KLC
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                                                #24
                                                If Trump had a "D" next to his name, they would have been celebrating how much a "man of the people" he was with that economy he had before COVID. His tweets would have exemplified how he never took shit from anybody.
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                                                • The Kraken
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                  If Trump had a "D" next to his name, they would have been celebrating how much a "man of the people" he was with that economy he had before COVID. His tweets would have exemplified how he never took shit from anybody.
                                                  lol out loud

                                                  Never forget, Trump lost to Biden

                                                  Thats as embarrassing as it gets. Everything Trump says about Biden makes his loss to the current POTUS look even worse
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                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                    • 12-10-09
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                    lol out loud

                                                    Never forget, Trump lost to Biden

                                                    Thats as embarrassing as it gets. Everything Trump says about Biden makes his loss to the current POTUS look even worse
                                                    Biden hid in his basement and most thought he ran as being a moderate. Old Joe conned the American people as he went as far left as you can go once he became President.

                                                    Keep laughing when you fill up your gas tank at the pumps Kraken.

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                                                    • DwightShrute
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                                                      • 01-17-09
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                      Worst Presidents in recent history are -

                                                      1) Joe Biden

                                                      2) Jimmy Carter

                                                      3) Barak Obama



                                                      Greatest Presidents in recent history are Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump without a doubt!
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                                                      • Mr KLC
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                        lol out loud

                                                        Never forget, Trump lost to Biden

                                                        Thats as embarrassing as it gets. Everything Trump says about Biden makes his loss to the current POTUS look even worse
                                                        I think it is more of it makes our current adult population look pretty stupid overall.
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                                                        • jackpot269
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                                                          • 09-24-07
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                          Worst Presidents in recent history are -

                                                          1) Joe Biden

                                                          2) Jimmy Carter

                                                          3) Barak Obama



                                                          Greatest Presidents in recent history are Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump without a doubt!
                                                          What are you using to gauge the best and the worst?
                                                          Obama took a terrible economy and it was booming when he turned it over to Trump! It stayed basically the same until Trumps 3rd year. If its mainly the economy your using the Country had higher GDP under Clinton than any of the others . it was over 4.5% several times it never reached that under any of the others. Just facts not politics

                                                          RR was the last Republican POTUS to leave the country better off than in found it
                                                          Last edited by jackpot269; 06-16-22, 06:49 AM.
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                                                          • Ra77er
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                                                            • 06-20-11
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                                                            #30
                                                            I don't understand why the retroactive judgement? Are you seriously looking for perfect human beings? You guys need a robot for a president then, like a literal robot made from Silicon Valley with advanced AI neurolink type shit. Then you've seen in the movies already that even that gets corrupted Go figure. We need to be looking forward and not backwards.
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                                                            • The Kraken
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                                                              • 12-25-11
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jackpot269
                                                              What are you using to gauge the best and the worst?
                                                              Obama took a terrible economy and it was booming when he turned it over to Trump! It stayed basically the same until Trumps 3rd year. If its mainly the economy your using the County had higher GDP under Clinton than any of the others . it was over 4.5% several times it never reached that under any of the others. Just facts not politics

                                                              RR was the last Republican POTUS to leave the country better off than in found it
                                                              There is no objective criteria to rank best or worst potus

                                                              Its the same as saying any 3 bball players are the best ever

                                                              All opinions, nothing else

                                                              Furthermore, most the people giving their opinions wouldn't pass a sixth grade history exam, or an entry level poli sci exam. Yet they know definitively everything about economics, the ranking of every potus, the "real" history of America

                                                              Most people in this country have bought into their own bs and are delusional
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                                                              • Optional
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                                                                • 06-10-10
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                America was doing so much better economically under the Trump Presidency then your fan boy Joe Biden is doing now.

                                                                That is a fact, just look at the recent markets and polls. You are delusional Thrilla. Wake up!
                                                                I showed you this before, but you wrote it off as "Australian figures" and now continue to blatantly lie about the numbers.


                                                                Here is the GDP history per quarter since Jan 2016 to date.


                                                                Notice the last 3 quarters under Trump were all negative?

                                                                Notice how the best growth rate under Trump was 3.30%?

                                                                Notice how the last 4 quarters under Biden show MUCH higher growth rate than Trump's best quarter over 4 years?



                                                                And I know you refuse to know this as well, but you could click this link and go educate yourself that Obama smashed the Trump record as well. Trump has worse growth figures than Obama, GWB, Clinton, Reagan and Biden!!!


                                                                US Real GDP Growth Rate table by quarter, historic, and current data. Current US Real GDP Growth Rate is 1.99%.




                                                                Mar 31, 2022 3.57%
                                                                Dec 31, 2021 5.53%
                                                                Sep 30, 2021 4.95%
                                                                Jun 30, 2021 12.23%
                                                                Mar 31, 2021 0.55%
                                                                Dec 31, 2020 -2.26%
                                                                Sep 30, 2020 -2.89%
                                                                Jun 30, 2020 -9.08%
                                                                Mar 31, 2020 0.63%
                                                                Dec 31, 2019 2.57%
                                                                Sep 30, 2019 2.32%
                                                                Jun 30, 2019 2.11%
                                                                Mar 31, 2019 2.15%
                                                                Dec 31, 2018 2.32%
                                                                Sep 30, 2018 3.05%
                                                                Jun 30, 2018 3.30%
                                                                Mar 31, 2018 3.02%
                                                                Dec 31, 2017 2.72%
                                                                Sep 30, 2017 2.27%
                                                                Jun 30, 2017 2.15%
                                                                Mar 31, 2017 1.88%
                                                                Dec 31, 2016 2.00%
                                                                Sep 30, 2016 1.65%
                                                                Jun 30, 2016 1.37%
                                                                Mar 31, 2016 1.65%


                                                                And if you don't believe those figures, please educate us all and show the basis of your claims about Trump!

                                                                It's not even a debate, the numbers are clear. Trump did a poor economic job.

                                                                Do you ever wonder why USA has out of control inflation when most other countries reeled the problem in a year ago? Think Tarriffs..
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                                                                • BrickJames
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                                                                  • 05-05-11
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Optional
                                                                  I showed you this before, but you wrote it off as "Australian figures" and now continue to blatantly lie about the numbers.


                                                                  Here is the GDP history per quarter since Jan 2016 to date.


                                                                  Notice the last 3 quarters under Trump were all negative?

                                                                  Notice how the best growth rate under Trump was 3.30%?

                                                                  Notice how the last 4 quarters under Biden show MUCH higher growth rate than Trump's best quarter over 4 years?



                                                                  And I know you refuse to know this as well, but you could click this link and go educate yourself that Obama smashed the Trump record as well. Trump has worse growth figures than Obama, GWB, Clinton, Reagan and Biden!!!


                                                                  US Real GDP Growth Rate table by quarter, historic, and current data. Current US Real GDP Growth Rate is 1.99%.




                                                                  Mar 31, 2022 3.57%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2021 5.53%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2021 4.95%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2021 12.23%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2021 0.55%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2020 -2.26%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2020 -2.89%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2020 -9.08%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2020 0.63%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2019 2.57%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2019 2.32%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2019 2.11%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2019 2.15%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2018 2.32%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2018 3.05%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2018 3.30%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2018 3.02%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2017 2.72%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2017 2.27%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2017 2.15%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2017 1.88%
                                                                  Dec 31, 2016 2.00%
                                                                  Sep 30, 2016 1.65%
                                                                  Jun 30, 2016 1.37%
                                                                  Mar 31, 2016 1.65%


                                                                  And if you don't believe those figures, please educate us all and show the basis of your claims about Trump!

                                                                  It's not even a debate, the numbers are clear. Trump did a poor economic job.

                                                                  Do you ever wonder why USA has out of control inflation when most other countries reeled the problem in a year ago? Think Tarriffs..
                                                                  I guess when you print trillions of dollars and give it away it makes your numbers look better?
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                                                                  • Optional
                                                                    Administrator
                                                                    • 06-10-10
                                                                    • 61228

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by BrickJames
                                                                    I guess when you print trillions of dollars and give it away it makes your numbers look better?
                                                                    On the same page there.

                                                                    Who knows what stats are "real" or not these days. Just change the methodology if you don't like the output.
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                                                                    • Mac4Lyfe
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-04-09
                                                                      • 48368

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Jibbby is so brainwashed. It would take years for him to be deprogrammed. But he's not really willing to know the truth. He loves and lives in the lie.
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