There's No Difference Between Supporting Segregation and Supporting Vaccine Passports

[thomorino]

If there was a scientific basis, then would the "segregation" be OK? I thought you said segregation was never OK.

My point is that segregation is not okay, and that point is in addition to how dumb the current segregation is. The 2 points are seperate.

[d2bets]

My point is that segregation is not okay, and that point is in addition to how dumb the current segregation is. The 2 points are seperate.

Suppose covid was only spread by the unvaxxed. Would vaxx card requirements then be justifiable, or still no?

[thomorino]

Suppose covid was only spread by the unvaxxed. Would vaxx card requirements then be justifiable, or still no?

No, because as I said segregation is wrong and everyone is going to get covid anyways. It is 100% inevitable that anyone in the US, especially in urban areas where they are talking about these dumb vaccine passports, will get exposed to covid.

No one vaccinated should care about the vaccination status of people, and people who are not vaccinated at this point clearly are not afraid of getting covid since the vaccines are widely available and free.

[d2bets]

No, because as I said segregation is wrong and everyone is going to get covid anyways. It is 100% inevitable that anyone in the US, especially in urban areas where they are talking about these dumb vaccine passports, will get exposed to covid.

No one vaccinated should care about the vaccination status of people, and people who are not vaccinated at this point clearly are not afraid of getting covid since the vaccines are widely available and free.

Does everything go over your head or only this?

[thomorino]

Does everything go over your head or only this?

You came in here with no arguments and made the absurd and dumb argument that segregation based on choice is okay. Just stop. You are unintelligent.

[Buckandadime]

My point is that segregation is not okay, and that point is in addition to how dumb the current segregation is. The 2 points are seperate.

It takes a special kind of person that tries to compare a division of race to an individuals choice..
As another poster so eloquently put it, "Try harder"

[thomorino]

It takes a special kind of person that tries to compare a division of race to an individuals choice..
As another poster so eloquently put it, "Try harder"

You are unintelligent.

We do not want to live in a society where individuals or businesses discriminate based on political or religious beliefs. Business have the right to discriminate to an extent when they are not discriminating against a class of individuals, but it is wrong, and usually disgusting.

We don't want to live in a society where people are denied access to facilities otherwise open to the public because of their religious or political views.

You are unintelligent.

[thomorino]

To show how dumb some of the arguments in this thread are, many people think being gay is a choice. We do not want to live in a society where businesses routinely discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation, political beliefs, or other choices. Period. Even if that discrimination is based on choices people.

Its a free country and people should accept that not everyone will make the same choices or agree with the choices of others.

[Buckandadime]

You are unintelligent.

We do not want to live in a society where individuals or businesses discriminate based on political or religious beliefs. Business have the right to discriminate to an extent when they are not discriminating against a class of individuals, but it is wrong, and usually disgusting.

We don't want to live in a society where people are denied access to facilities otherwise open to the public because of their religious or political views.

You are unintelligent.

Yeah, I know that I wait for the representatives of my political party to lead me down the righteous path of self care and betterment of myself.
Please give us an example of where a person is denied access anywhere because of their political views..
Views.. Not actions..
If you are basing health or life choices soley on whatever party of government there is then you probably should be ostracized..

[thomorino]

Yeah, I know that I wait for the representatives of my political party to lead me down the righteous path of self care and betterment of myself.
Please give us an example of where a person is denied access anywhere because of their political views..
Views.. Not actions..
If you are basing health or life choices soley on whatever party of government there is then you probably should be ostracized..

Hard to believe anyone is this dumb. Sarah Huckabee was kicked out of a restaurant for working for Trump. Get lost, you are unintelligent.

[Buckandadime]

Hard to believe anyone is this dumb. Sarah Huckabee was kicked out of a restaurant for working for Trump. Get lost, you are unintelligent.

You said "political belief or view"
Not job or action or notoriety...
Belief or view of John Q Public...
Are you saying that companies are asking to see voter ID before allowing or doing business with an individual?
Are there questionnaires on the East Coast asking your political views or beliefs before being allowed entrance?
You know, because you have to know a persons political view or belief before you can deny them patronage..
Has politics become a health hazard in Pennsylvania?
If you answered "Yes" to any of the above questions you should stay right where your at.

Stop constantly complaining about how life is just because you're not man enough to change it and be happy..

[thomorino]

You said "political belief or view"
Not job or action or notoriety...
Belief or view of John Q Public...
Are you saying that companies are asking to see voter ID before allowing or doing business with an individual?
Are there questionnaires on the East Coast asking your political views or beliefs before being allowed entrance?
You know, because you have to know a persons political view or belief before you can deny them patronage..
Has politics become a health hazard in Pennsylvania?
If you answered "Yes" to any of the above questions you should stay right where your at.

Stop constantly complaining about how life is just because you're not man enough to change it and be happy..

Sarah Huckabee was kicked out of a restaurant because the owner disagreed with her political point of view. Hard to believe anyone is this unintelligent.

[ThanksForTheFade]

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[thomorino]

deleware

Stop talking, you are unintelligent

[pavyracer]

Have you ever heard of dress code? A restaurant requires men to wear a jacket to dine in else they can't get service. You show up with shorts and a tank top. Can you claim you are being seggregated for not following the rules of a private business?

[JacketFan81]

Have you ever heard of dress code? A restaurant requires men to wear a jacket to dine in else they can't get service. You show up with shorts and a tank top. Can you claim you are being seggregated for not following the rules of a private business?

Ask Dominique Wilkins

[thomorino]

Have you ever heard of dress code? A restaurant requires men to wear a jacket to dine in else they can't get service. You show up with shorts and a tank top. Can you claim you are being seggregated for not following the rules of a private business?

No, because there is a difference between requiring people who enter your property to dress or behave a certain way and not allowing certain types of people in. Dress codes don't discriminate, vaccine passports do.

[goduke]

Sarah Huckabee was kicked out of a restaurant because the owner disagreed with her political point of view. Hard to believe anyone is this unintelligent.

So if you feel like this is wrong you disagree with business owners being able to decide who can be patrons in their business? For example if an owner doesnt want to provide wedding cakes for a gay couple. You would say this is wrong correct? Just want to make sure you are crystal clear in your views and not hypocritical

[thomorino]

So if you feel like this is wrong you disagree with business owners being able to decide who can be patrons in their business? For example if an owner doesnt want to provide wedding cakes for a gay couple. You would say this is wrong correct? Just want to make sure you are crystal clear in your views and not hypocritical

No, that is different. If you business is open to the public its not right to discriminate against people when you decide who can and who cannot enter your business. Asking someone to take affirmative action like make a cake is different. Compelling action from someone, like making a cake, is different than simply allowing someone on your premises when your premises is open to the public.

Not allowing gay people in your business that is open to the public is wrong, but compelling action for someone when that action goes against their specific beliefs is different.

[Buckandadime]

Ask Dominique Wilkins

Or Jeff Spicoli..

[goduke]

No, that is different. If you business is open to the public its not right to discriminate against people when you decide who can and who cannot enter your business. Asking someone to take affirmative action like make a cake is different. Compelling action from someone, like making a cake, is different than simply allowing someone on your premises when your premises is open to the public.

Not allowing gay people in your business that is open to the public is wrong, but compelling action for someone when that action goes against their specific beliefs is different.

So if they allowed them to sit in the restaurant but they didnt make them a drink or make them food then you would be ok with it?

[goduke]

No, that is different. If you business is open to the public its not right to discriminate against people when you decide who can and who cannot enter your business. Asking someone to take affirmative action like make a cake is different. Compelling action from someone, like making a cake, is different than simply allowing someone on your premises when your premises is open to the public.

Not allowing gay people in your business that is open to the public is wrong, but compelling action for someone when that action goes against their specific beliefs is different.

So beliefs are ok to discriminate others but health reasons are not. No matter what you think about the vaccine theres statistics on both sides of that argument in terms of health risks. So you are asking some people to disregard the statistics they understand?

[thomorino]

So beliefs are ok to discriminate others but health reasons are not. No matter what you think about the vaccine theres statistics on both sides of that argument in terms of health risks. So you are asking some people to disregard the statistics they understand?

Its not discrimination when you are talking about compelling actions. Refusing to let someone in your property because they are unvaccinated is an act of discrimination. Refusing to make a cake for someone is not discrimination, you are simply not taking an action for someone. There is a big difference between active discrimination and just refusing to take an affirmative action to goes against a core religious belief.

[pavyracer]

The way to protest vaccination cards is to boycott the restaurants who require them. Win win for both parties and no one gets hurt or discriminated.

[DwightShrute]

Is having smoke free restaurants seggregation? This is a health issue.

The way to protest vaccination cards is to boycott the restaurants who require them. Win win for both parties and no one gets hurt or discriminated.

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[DwightShrute]

Suppose covid was only spread by the unvaxxed. Would vaxx card requirements then be justifiable, or still no?

Suppose humans could fly, would a flying license card be justifiable? Would there be a need for passports? Would it be legal to clip someone's wings so they could never fly? Would you support a tree tax?

[thomorino]

The way to protest vaccination cards is to boycott the restaurants who require them. Win win for both parties and no one gets hurt or discriminated.

The problem with that is many restaurants are required by law to do this, and small business has been hit hard enough.

[d2bets]

Suppose humans could fly, would a flying license card be justifiable? Would there be a need for passports? Would it be legal to clip someone's wings so they could never fly? Would you support a tree tax?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
?

[goduke]

Its not discrimination when you are talking about compelling actions. Refusing to let someone in your property because they are unvaccinated is an act of discrimination. Refusing to make a cake for someone is not discrimination, you are simply not taking an action for someone. There is a big difference between active discrimination and just refusing to take an affirmative action to goes against a core religious belief.

Ok so allowing them in the restaurant but not cooking for them or making them a drink is ok is what you are saying? So why would they go in at that point, just to sit down? They aren’t a patron if they aren’t going to be able to be provided any item on the menu so after you let them in and say we aren’t going to make you food then it works the exact same way as your cake argument that you said is ok to do.
You’re dancing a fine line here to argue your point but yet argue against a point that is the exact same.

[d2bets]

Its not discrimination when you are talking about compelling actions. Refusing to let someone in your property because they are unvaccinated is an act of discrimination. Refusing to make a cake for someone is not discrimination, you are simply not taking an action for someone. There is a big difference between active discrimination and just refusing to take an affirmative action to goes against a core religious belief.

You are a mess.

[DwightShrute]

[Ebumdude]

And he now has same protection against Covid as the unvaxxed.

[thomorino]

Ok so allowing them in the restaurant but not cooking for them or making them a drink is ok is what you are saying? So why would they go in at that point, just to sit down? They aren’t a patron if they aren’t going to be able to be provided any item on the menu so after you let them in and say we aren’t going to make you food then it works the exact same way as your cake argument that you said is ok to do.
You’re dancing a fine line here to argue your point but yet argue against a point that is the exact same.

You are a mess.

No, I'm saying that requiring an affirmative action that goes against someone's religious beliefs is wrong, there's no reason why simple service would go against someone's belief system

[goduke]

No, I'm saying that requiring an affirmative action that goes against someone's religious beliefs is wrong, there's no reason why simple service would go against someone's belief system

I think you are just talking in circles though. What credits a "belief system"? Does it have to be a religion that is approved? Because what if my belief system is I want to surround myself by like minded people and I want to surround myself by what I deem healthy people that will limit my chances to get sick? At this point I think from our conversation you are too nervous to go against your political view talking points that some of your points are contradicting. It is what it is i guess.

[thomorino]

I think you are just talking in circles though. What credits a "belief system"? Does it have to be a religion that is approved? Because what if my belief system is I want to surround myself by like minded people and I want to surround myself by what I deem healthy people that will limit my chances to get sick? At this point I think from our conversation you are too nervous to go against your political view talking points that some of your points are contradicting. It is what it is i guess.

Religious beliefs ar different than illogical health beliefs