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  • Doublethink
    SBR Sharp
    • 05-21-21
    • 415

    #1
    Why does OIL keep going higher?
    Is there any way you would short it here?
  • MinnesotaFats
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-18-10
    • 14758

    #2
    OPEC told Joe 'no' to increased production...meanwhile Joe made us dependant upon imports w his incredibly stupid energy policies.

    Oil trades in dollars, dollars today are worth HALF what they were 10 years ago.

    If you don't understand how economically illiterate this administration is, and those who voted for it are, then just Google "trillion dollar coin" and see Bidens solution to everything....

    ...you can't make this shit up
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    • Doublethink
      SBR Sharp
      • 05-21-21
      • 415

      #3
      So Biden is behind oil going higher?
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      • Doublethink
        SBR Sharp
        • 05-21-21
        • 415

        #4
        6 weeks ago it was under $19.00 Today it is $24.14. How can you trade this?
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        • MinnesotaFats
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-18-10
          • 14758

          #5
          Originally posted by Doublethink
          So Biden is behind oil going higher?
          The energy policy of the USA was independent (0 imports) under Trump.

          Biden nixed all domestic oil leases & the pipeline to move the domestic oil to domestic refineries.

          Then, Biden passed the 3T stimulus in March, & the Fed continues to buy market securities at the rate of $100b per month. These 2 actions put the US debt ratio above 100% for the 1st time since ww2. The USA is, technically speaking, bankrupt because of Biden. This has lead to RECORD inflation in just the last 6 months. Like nothing we've seen before, cutting the purchasing power & savings value of the US dollar literally in half.

          Biden requested OPEC increase oil production by 20% to offset this, OPEC said no.

          End result- Biden agenda dead, US economy dead, US consumer dead...2022 midterms all that is on Congress mind right now.
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          • MinnesotaFats
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-18-10
            • 14758

            #6
            Originally posted by Doublethink
            6 weeks ago it was under $19.00 Today it is $24.14. How can you trade this?
            Buy Chevron. Best oil company out there, hoards of cash, 5% dividend
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            • MinnesotaFats
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-18-10
              • 14758

              #7


              The administration is seriously floating this idea...that's how bad things are under Biden
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              • Doublethink
                SBR Sharp
                • 05-21-21
                • 415

                #8
                CVX has almost doubled in 1 year and now the SPY is starting to scare me because I don't want to be long.
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                • MinnesotaFats
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-18-10
                  • 14758

                  #9
                  Up 25% yes...they'll continue consolidating these vertical industries thou.

                  The yield is solid, the growth is there...in 20 years there might only be 5 major oil companies world wide
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                  • Doublethink
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 05-21-21
                    • 415

                    #10
                    The business of business is business. I have to go check back tomorrow and see what is happening to the S&P. I'm a little bit long on the SDS but nothing to scare me about. I can't see SPY going the way it is going. But hey...
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                    • pavyracer
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 04-12-07
                      • 82781

                      #11
                      Oil prices are good for US producers. Last year a lot of them went out of business when the prices tanked due to Trump policies.
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                      • MinnesotaFats
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-18-10
                        • 14758

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                        Oil prices are good for US producers. Last year a lot of them went out of business when the prices tanked due to Trump policies.
                        Completely wrong take lol

                        US producers don't want to produce more for fear they'll either receive worthless dollars or be stuck w a massive price drop in near future - even the NY Times wrote on this the other day.



                        If Biden would have just left the Trump policy in place, the stability on the market and domestic independence (along w increased pipeline & refinery jobs) would have been the ideal mix for long term stable low fuel costs for US consumers.

                        We need stability


                        We need conservative leadership
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                        • newton0038
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-07-07
                          • 2387

                          #13
                          There have been a number of calls for December 2023 $200
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                          • KnuckleHeadz
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-11-19
                            • 8194

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                            Up 25% yes...they'll continue consolidating these vertical industries thou.

                            The yield is solid, the growth is there...in 20 years there might only be 5 major oil companies world wide
                            That’s about what we have in the LA Basin now (5). For years I’ve hear it will eventually become 1 or maybe 2.
                            In that case it’ll either become us(MPC) or Chevron
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                            • MinnesotaFats
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-18-10
                              • 14758

                              #15
                              Originally posted by KnuckleHeadz
                              That’s about what we have in the LA Basin now (5). For years I’ve hear it will eventually become 1 or maybe 2.
                              In that case it’ll either become us(MPC) or Chevron
                              Yup. Chevron will be again, what Standard Oil was 100 years ago.
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                              • KnuckleHeadz
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-11-19
                                • 8194

                                #16
                                Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                Yup. Chevron will be again, what Standard Oil was 100 years ago.
                                Not in California unless they bought us…
                                We make 73k more barrels of crude oil daily and have our own Cogeneration plant that’s the largest in California.
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                                • Mike Huntertz
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 08-19-09
                                  • 11207

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Doublethink
                                  Is there any way you would short it here?
                                  No don't short. There are many parameters in effect here. OPEC dictates flow and they are never reliable on direction of price.
                                  Electric cars are a long way from being a major impact and a large percentage of electric power plants are fired by gas/oil.
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                                  • TheMoneyShot
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 02-14-07
                                    • 28672

                                    #18
                                    Didn't Trump purchase like 77 million drums at around $1.00 each... or maybe even under that.... for our Emergency Supply?? (Amazing Business Decision)

                                    Biden apparently going backwards in business decisions. This fukking guy.
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                                    • Doublethink
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 05-21-21
                                      • 415

                                      #19
                                      Why would you buy calls @$200?
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                                      • MinnesotaFats
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-18-10
                                        • 14758

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Doublethink
                                        Why would you buy calls @$200?
                                        It was one trader who bought options at $200 (Dec- Oct 2022).

                                        He wagered $130,000

                                        It's a very low probability, however- could pay off huge if there were a spike....and frankly w Bidens domestic energy policy and military instability in the mid east and China....this could occur.
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                                        • Doublethink
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 05-21-21
                                          • 415

                                          #21
                                          OIL taking a hit today. down .52c 2.15%. I follow it but don't know where to get in. Maybe watch to see if it goes lower.
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                                          • Doublethink
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 05-21-21
                                            • 415

                                            #22
                                            I got long SDS $8.64 today now $8.81. I like taking shots either long or short S&P 500. Looks like I'll take the profit hit and run.
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                                            • Doublethink
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 05-21-21
                                              • 415

                                              #23
                                              Got order to get out $8.84. I hate chasing pennies but that's the way to do it.
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                It was one trader who bought options at $200 (Dec- Oct 2022).

                                                He wagered $130,000

                                                It's a very low probability, however- could pay off huge if there were a spike....and frankly w Bidens domestic energy policy and military instability in the mid east and China....this could occur.
                                                Those are just hedges
                                                Not real risk
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                                                • klemopixx
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 10-02-14
                                                  • 3807

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                  OPEC told Joe 'no' to increased production...meanwhile Joe made us dependant upon imports w his incredibly stupid energy policies.

                                                  Oil trades in dollars, dollars today are worth HALF what they were 10 years ago.

                                                  If you don't understand how economically illiterate this administration is, and those who voted for it are, then just Google "trillion dollar coin" and see Bidens solution to everything....

                                                  ...you can't make this shit up
                                                  So Trump calling for OPEC to REDUCE production in spring of 2020 due to oil prices going negative (Corona shutdown worldwide) had nothing to do with it right? How quickly you forget.
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                                                  • MinnesotaFats
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-18-10
                                                    • 14758

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by klemopixx
                                                    So Trump calling for OPEC to REDUCE production in spring of 2020 due to oil prices going negative (Corona shutdown worldwide) had nothing to do with it right? How quickly you forget.
                                                    No, it didn't

                                                    Trump literally saved the Industry.

                                                    Even his pundits gave him credit for this



                                                    Joe Biden is a fukking retard by comparison...he was handed energy independence, consumer friendly pricing & stability in the sector....and he fukked it all up within 10 months.

                                                    By the way, as of 845 AM today more people have died as a result of Covid in Bidens 10 months in office than did during the entire year of 2020 under Trump.

                                                    ...just saying. You can compare Biden to Carter in terms of impotence if you want, but you cannot compare anything between Trump & Biden. The men are on two different levels of achievement & comprehension. Hate Trump personally...that's fine, but he was arguably the greatest and most successful President since Reagan. The economic success of his 1st 38 months (non Covid) will never be equaled again organically.
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                                                    • klemopixx
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-02-14
                                                      • 3807

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                      No, it didn't

                                                      Trump literally saved the Industry.

                                                      Even his pundits gave him credit for this



                                                      Joe Biden is a fukking retard by comparison...he was handed energy independence, consumer friendly pricing & stability in the sector....and he fukked it all up within 10 months.

                                                      By the way, as of 845 AM today more people have died as a result of Covid in Bidens 10 months in office than did during the entire year of 2020 under Trump.

                                                      ...just saying. You can compare Biden to Carter in terms of impotence if you want, but you cannot compare anything between Trump & Biden. The men are on two different levels of achievement & comprehension. Hate Trump personally...that's fine, but he was arguably the greatest and most successful President since Reagan. The economic success of his 1st 38 months (non Covid) will never be equaled again organically.
                                                      Well that's good for the oil industry, bad for prices at the pumps. Because when the economy fired up again there wasn't enough oil being produced to meet the demand, prices soared. But it's so easy to blame Biden because that's the only way your d*ck gets hard. Most successful President? Sure for corporations and rich people! He's a fukkin God! Screw the normal people whose sweat off their backs drive this economy.

                                                      And this virus would be long gone if Trump had acted immediately. But no, let's have rallies and spread this sh#t so 700,000 can die from it. Do you ever get tired of sukking that clown's mushroom d#ck? God I hope he runs in 2024 because he'll get crushed unless 2022 is a total failure and every polling machine is infected with the virus they put in the Arizona machines.
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Oil like all instruments go up and down and nobody knows tops or bottoms
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                                                        • Demonata
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 07-12-11
                                                          • 25829

                                                          #29
                                                          It's because Biden is a retard.
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                                                          • MinnesotaFats
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-18-10
                                                            • 14758

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by klemopixx
                                                            Well that's good for the oil industry, bad for prices at the pumps. Because when the economy fired up again there wasn't enough oil being produced to meet the demand, prices soared. But it's so easy to blame Biden because that's the only way your d*ck gets hard. Most successful President? Sure for corporations and rich people! He's a fukkin God! Screw the normal people whose sweat off their backs drive this economy.

                                                            And this virus would be long gone if Trump had acted immediately. But no, let's have rallies and spread this sh#t so 700,000 can die from it. Do you ever get tired of sukking that clown's mushroom d#ck? God I hope he runs in 2024 because he'll get crushed unless 2022 is a total failure and every polling machine is infected with the virus they put in the Arizona machines.
                                                            JFC we have more oil than we know what to do with.

                                                            Biden shut down the pipeline dude. W a stroke of a pen he made it impossible to move the crude to the refinery.

                                                            Then, with another stroke, he ended all domestic oil leases on Federal land

                                                            Just stop now. That is the end of the argument- 2 executive orders that kill your entire POV
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                                                            • MinnesotaFats
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-18-10
                                                              • 14758

                                                              #31
                                                              I forgotten this guy's 2nd point

                                                              Trump didn't act immediately

                                                              You mean like closing the borders? If I recall his entire term he tried shutting them down

                                                              And during covid he closed off China and was met w resistance by Pelosi while she insisted on going fwd w a 2nd sham impeachment.

                                                              You can't be this fukking stupid
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                                                              • JIBBBY
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 12-10-09
                                                                • 83686

                                                                #32
                                                                $5.00 a gallon at my local Chevron gas station. Thank you Joe Biden.

                                                                Miss Trump and energy independence yet in America?
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                                                                • trobin31
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 01-09-14
                                                                  • 9853

                                                                  #33
                                                                  It’s called supply and demand...

                                                                  don’t even understand who controls oil production in the US...

                                                                  just keep vomiting the narrative MSM feeds you.
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                                                                  • pavyracer
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 04-12-07
                                                                    • 82781

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Still $2.69 in Georgia. Hasn't risen a penny for 6 months now.

                                                                    Thank you president Biden for cheap and stable gas prices in Georgia.
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 12-10-09
                                                                      • 83686

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Joe Biden stops our huge gas pipe line but approves the Russia and Germany pipe line. That was mind blowing?

                                                                      What do you think is going to happen when you slow down oil production in America with regulations again and stop the construction of a huge oil pipe line that would supply America?

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