Alright here’s the thread….everyone that is anti vaccine or any measures that would help get the world back to normal I want to know your solution instead. I don’t care about why you don’t want to do those things but I want you to post your solution and then be able to logically answer my follow up questions with reputable evidence. Let’s learn how to have a real discussion here. It’s easy to complain about something and not offer a solution, it’s harder to propose a better plan and then how to deal with the fallouts or effects of that plan.
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Young Tucker Carlson was setting his life patterns early.Comment -
@ Sanity Check
I agree with the Professor. All the diseases and viruses originate from China, India, Africa. These people are ignorant and lead filthy lives. Half the people live in poverty conditions with no food. This is an unsustainable and very serious over-population problem. Like he said, we crossed the point of no return back in the 1980's.Comment -
Neither of these are a solution to the current problem. So I’ll disregard and hope better responses come inComment -
Best is like Wickedinsane said in his thread days ago here, just do it like smoking sections - allow the owners decide who they want to allow in.
That way people can just decide for themselves what level of risk they willing to take.Comment -
If you got vaxxed stop caring. If you didn’t get the vax you already don’t care. Time to start living again folksComment -
1.So how do you do that with teachers at schools? Is it ok to make them all vaccinated?
2.So how to vet allowing owners the ability to decide who they serve? Vaccine passports?
3.What about areas that get a lot of cases in certain pockets for instance Missouri, Florida and Louisiana? If hospitals start getting past max capacity how do you handle it?
4. What about people who want the vaccine but can’t take it because they have health conditions? Is it fair to them to have to be at risk from others? Should they not be allowed to go out the rest of their life so they can live?
5. What about places that say they don’t want unvaccinated and then unvaccinated protest there. Should that be allowed?Comment -
So your solution is you want everyone to stop caring right? So here’s my follow up questions to that….
1. If unvaxxed start filling up hospitals preventing other procedures from being done does that mean they shouldn’t get priority?
2. If the government stops paying for covid health related issues and puts it on the insured at what point is the vaccinated responsible for higher premiums if the unvaxxed continue to go to the hospital with illnesses related when they could have got the vaccine?
3. What about people who are susceptible to really getting sick because they have immune deficiencies? Are they not allowed to live anymore? Because if you say no one should care how do they avoid it at grocery stores, restaurants, etc.?
4. Does the government just announce they don’t care anymore? So now people who need them to care get no representation?
There’s more than this to think about but I’ll present these first. Unfortunately I don’t think you can just not care. There’s more to it and how it can effect everyone.Comment -
1. If unvaxxed and the hospital is overrun(laughable) sure
2.don’t care
3. Tough luck. Play it safe until the winds of shit change. Not hard getting delivery groceriesComment -
I think the key is allowing more autonomy to each sector and individual the freedom to decide for themselves.
1. For teachers it will depend on the school they work at, each school will decide if they will provide vaccinated or non vaccinated environments or both - vaccinated and non vaccines areas of the schools.
Any staff or students disagree, they can go find another school or home school or just not go to school at all - the laws compelling children to go to school should be repealed anyways and this is good time to do it .
2. Each owner or property owner or sector of government(for government properties) will decide for themselves what standard to use to screen people - that way people are free to enter at their own risk and judge for themselves of enough screening is done.
3. Sad to say, all that can be done is try to help by sending aid and workers etc. In those areas people will move to safer areas of they can, if they can't they'll have to stay home and do other things they make them feel safer. There really is no solution accept to force vaccination but that will be hard to enforce and also infringes on constitutional freedoms so should not be done, maybe paying people to get vaccinated or other incentives can be tried.
4. Those rare cases are sad, but it's not the governments place to force others to do things to help others feel safer - because providing a false sense of security is already being sold and abused by the government too much already and that had to stop - selling a false sense of security is the same as selling protection fees, sand the government should get out of that business all together.
5. Protesting is a constitutional right, so if they protest on public property nothing anyone can do about it, but if they trespass onto private property then the owner can defend his property however he sees fit including calling the cops or shooting them.
I think it's fair to say the world is changing and people starting to realize that they have to take matters into their own hands when they were concerned about their safety, because nobody not even the government can guarantee anyone safety - anyone that believes otherwise is believing in a false sense of security.Comment -
For these issues, I agree with you that people should care even the ones with vaccine should be as careful as possible - but it not possible to force people to care out be careful, they have to decide that for themselves.
It's like smoking or any other drug, prohibition is not effective to control people, education works best - that's why smoking rates are down from years past, people getting smarter and choose not to smoke all by themselves and to avoid second hand smoke all be themselves, wasn't any law that succeeded in this. Seatbelts same thing, people choose to wear then it not.
1. Hospitals will have to decide on their own where to prioritise.
2. That will be up to the insurance companies to decide.
3. It's not that no one cares, it's not possible nor is it constitutionally compliment to force others to do things to save others or benefit others - that is why taxes are morally wrong, many people will have more hardships but they'll have to learn how to cope with these new realities because nobody not even the government can guarantee their safety. Again, the government wants to sell the public a false sense of security, and nobody should be fooled into believing/buying it.
4. The government has to be realistic of what they are capable and incapable of doing, and also they have to be respectful of the rights and freedoms of all - so the best thing for government is to lead by good example by educating as they are getting now, and setting high standards at all of their government properties, others will follow their lead if they want to.
Ideally, everyone should care for everyone else, but that is not the reality we live in and also the reality is caring cannot be effectively compelled by laws.Comment -
No one cares, do you honestly think that if Democrats were really afraid of covid-19 Obama would be throwing this big party in a few days for a thousand people?
No one cares quit letting politicians and the media run your life.Comment -
Close the borders
Cease all immigration
Shut down busses & subways. This spreads when groups of unhygienic (poor) people get together in close proximity
Encourage those at risk to reduce going out or playing in public
** Encourage everyone to change their AC filters and run thir AC at 75 or so in the South and spend more time outdoors on the patio or the pool.
Release the facts on smoking being the best prevention of Covid. Of all the Covid groups studied, smokers have the lowest infection rate.Comment -
No solution is needed. just look at the numbers this pandemic is not even a pandemic. Yes, if I gave two shyts I can feel bad about a couple of million people who MAY have died due to the China Virus. We will still have to look at the numbers from all of the things that kill you to determine how many additional deaths in the last year are contributed by the Bat Kung Pow virus. If you look at the people being effected now, the death rates are falling and falling real fast. In about a month or 2 the numbers will come down to the point that even the panic porn industry will be out of gas on this. Every year some of us will get the more appropriately named **-flu. and it will have about as much effect as the regular flu going forward.Comment -
Just wait until some of you younger anti-vaxxers here on SBR grow a little older and have never gotten your Shingles vaccine.
And you come down with Shingles, you will wish the fuk you had gotten the vaccine.Comment -
I'm just assuming the shingles vaccine has been clinically tested for years and has full fda approval AND since shingles is limited to those who have already had the chicken pox I'm also assuming you're not going to mandate it upon healthy people who know their medical history.
Just assuming here....Comment -
Laughable? Not at all
It has already happened in basically every state and Ive posted about it before
Hospitals shut down elective procedures and heart surgery programs bc there were 0 ICU beds to recover them in.
We shut down our entire heart surgery program for months my man, and we're one of the largest hospitals in California.Comment -
All conservative talking points.... Maybe Trump shoulda shut the borders and we wouldn't have had the first or second tidal wave of infections on his watch... Oh wait
Smokers being the best preventative of Covid is misinformation. Im not blaming you for this bc there have been studies trying to correlate the two but the outcomes and findings were based on heavily flawed methods. They were cross-sectional findings and that is considered weak af. No cohort study has been done to prove this assertion.
What we know for certain is smokers do among the worse in terms of outcomes once they're infected.Comment -
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My dad had shingles. Lasted over 2 months this was around 2010, maybe 2009. Pretty much works nonstop and did the absolute bare minimum for a whole summer. Was into his eyes. Not sure if he had a vaccine to be honest. I would think he did though, he got this one pretty quick.Comment -
Had a buddy in Seattle that got it at 43... Super fit and healthy, mf'er bikes up and down mtns every weekend. Dude had broken bones from mtn biking and never complained once... Caught the shingles and he was out for 2 weeks. Said the pain was horrible. Scares the shit outta meComment -
CIA at Fort Detrick have the antidote.
Hold on, I'll call a guy.Comment
