12 story florida condo collapses

[MinnesotaFats]

Don't forget this building got whacked by probably 40 hurricanes over the years.

All that salt and water and pressure will find its way into the smallest of holes and eat away at the building from the inside

[pavyracer]

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.8732651,-80.1208298,3a,90y,175.68h,115.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf5dW_XDxB0pGTIMK7QCEQg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's the part of the building that collapsed. You can see the entrance to the parking garage underneath. The parking columns and beams are easily exposed to salt water and air during surf surges from hurricanse and probably are flooded for a while.

[WinDove]

I did not expect to see something like this happen in the USA

[wikkidinsane]

this is what anti regulation gets you.

[Slurry Pumper]

I'm not a structural engineer, just a slurry pumping one, but I do agree with the Pavyracer here, this has all the look of a column failure. The building can probably handle 1 or maybe 2 columns in line to collapse, but it seems like the concrete and rebar situation hit the yield limit and then the dominoes start to fall. If you look at a controlled demolition it would look very similar. There had to be some signs that would jolt even the most uninformed person that it wasn't too safe. When you drive in to park the car and see 10 out of 12 columns with exposed rebar and probably a pile of concrete rubble collecting around them, that is a clue. I would be surprised if it didn't look this way before hand.
As for the salt water eating away at the building, put a check mark on that one. Salt water is some of the nastiest corrosive stuff around. A few hurricanes into it and that will only add to the day after day influx of salty air seeping into every crack just eating away at the strength. Something like this reflects years of neglect however as the very same area sports some old buildings that are just as high and older. I would hazard a guess that most of the older building have a greater ability to support weight however and probably a renewed sense of maintenance efforts.

[The Kraken]

I'm not a structural engineer, just a slurry pumping one, but I do agree with the Pavyracer here, this has all the look of a column failure. The building can probably handle 1 or maybe 2 columns in line to collapse, but it seems like the concrete and rebar situation hit the yield limit and then the dominoes start to fall. If you look at a controlled demolition it would look very similar. There had to be some signs that would jolt even the most uninformed person that it wasn't too safe. When you drive in to park the car and see 10 out of 12 columns with exposed rebar and probably a pile of concrete rubble collecting around them, that is a clue. I would be surprised if it didn't look this way before hand.
As for the salt water eating away at the building, put a check mark on that one. Salt water is some of the nastiest corrosive stuff around. A few hurricanes into it and that will only add to the day after day influx of salty air seeping into every crack just eating away at the strength. Something like this reflects years of neglect however as the very same area sports some old buildings that are just as high and older. I would hazard a guess that most of the older building have a greater ability to support weight however and probably a renewed sense of maintenance efforts.

Im sure everyone that died can now rest in pieces knowing you've solved the riddle

[Slurry Pumper]

Im sure everyone that died can now rest in pieces knowing you've solved the riddle

I don't mean to come off as a person who has a callus disregard for the human suffering involved here. I truly feel for the victims of this tragic event. Just trying to do my part so that maybe for the residents of the building next to the one that collapsed will have a few things to look for.

This is a failure of whomever is in a position of knowledge and standing that took a look at this building and made the call of allowing it to remained occupied. I'm not sure what regulatory agency keeps an eye on these large buildings, but I wouldn't be shocked to learn that nobody is looking at them and the overall maintenance and up keep is in the hands of hired personnel from the condo association who don't have the credentials to be able to make an informed decision.

[d2bets]

I don't mean to come off as a person who has a callus disregard for the human suffering involved here. I truly feel for the victims of this tragic event. Just trying to do my part so that maybe for the residents of the building next to the one that collapsed will have a few things to look for.

This is a failure of whomever is in a position of knowledge and standing that took a look at this building and made the call of allowing it to remained occupied. I'm not sure what regulatory agency keeps an eye on these large buildings, but I wouldn't be shocked to learn that nobody is looking at them and the overall maintenance and up keep is in the hands of hired personnel from the condo association who don't have the credentials to be able to make an informed decision.

Bigger question is whether the underlying (no pun intended) inherent conditions there make really any buildings unsuitable and unsafe n the long-term. Or whether everything needs to be taken down and there is some alternative building method that will have to be employed. I sure as hell wouldn't buy property with these kinds of underlying issues. I feel the same way about all the Gulf properties that constantly get battered by hurricanes. It ain't gonna get better. It's just gonna get more and more frequent. Coastlines are beautiful and all, but not sure they're meant for sustainable building.

[Optional]

I don't mean to come off as a person who has a callus disregard for the human suffering involved here. I truly feel for the victims of this tragic event. Just trying to do my part so that maybe for the residents of the building next to the one that collapsed will have a few things to look for.

This is a failure of whomever is in a position of knowledge and standing that took a look at this building and made the call of allowing it to remained occupied. I'm not sure what regulatory agency keeps an eye on these large buildings, but I wouldn't be shocked to learn that nobody is looking at them and the overall maintenance and up keep is in the hands of hired personnel from the condo association who don't have the credentials to be able to make an informed decision.

A news story quoted on page 1 says the building was found to be sinking back in the 1990s and many engineering reports have been conducted, and called for repairs, over the last 30 years.

[d2bets]

A news story quoted on page 1 says the building was found to be sinking back in the 1990s and many engineering reports have been conducted, and called for repairs, over the last 30 years.

In other words, this happened very very very slowly...and then very quickly. But I bet there are scores of other buildings out there that are also collapsing very slowly. Might be in 5 years or 15 years, but without attention one day it's coming down.

[ericc]

Sea level rise due to climate change...

...eyed as contributing factor in Miami-area building collapse

https://news.yahoo.com/sea-level-rise-due-to-climate-change-eyed-as-contributing-factor-in-miami-building-collapse-172145539.html

While it is too early to say whether climate change is to blame for the collapse of the 40-year-old Champlain Towers South, or if it also threatens thousands of similar structures along Florida’s coastline, sea levels rose by 3.9 inches between 2000 and 2017 in nearby Key West, according to a 2019 report by the Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact.

But even if climate change is ruled out as a significant contributor to this particular instance of structural failure, there is no avoiding the fact that if seas continue to rise, the habitability of much of South Florida will be put in question.

by David Knowles·Senior Editor

[Slurry Pumper]

...eyed as contributing factor in Miami-area building collapse

https://news.yahoo.com/sea-level-rise-due-to-climate-change-eyed-as-contributing-factor-in-miami-building-collapse-172145539.html

While it is too early to say whether climate change is to blame for the collapse of the 40-year-old Champlain Towers South, or if it also threatens thousands of similar structures along Florida’s coastline, sea levels rose by 3.9 inches between 2000 and 2017 in nearby Key West, according to a 2019 report by the Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact.

But even if climate change is ruled out as a significant contributor to this particular instance of structural failure, there is no avoiding the fact that if seas continue to rise, the habitability of much of South Florida will be put in question.

by David Knowles·Senior Editor

Sea levels rising won't mean shyt because I'll make a mint selling slurry pumps to keep the water out. I could have helped New Orleans a couple of decades ago if they would have just reached out to me but they were stupid and put their pumps in the lowest lying area. That is where the power goes out first if you are not on top of the pumping situation. My solutions work as they are above ground by a good 15 feet or more if need be. This means some lazy ass government worker can forget totally to turn it on and the pump will work when they do hit the switch if for some reason the auto switching mechanism isn't working. I could of done the same for that Nuclear power plant in Japan where again they went cheap and total F'd up the planet with nuclear jizz being released into the ocean.
Here's a news flash, there is no way that climate change is to blame here for a building falling down, this area is was and has been for a long time in the same climate it has been in for about a few thousand to 100 thousand years. A little 50 year increase in water levels don't mean nothing. They still drive piles into the ground like they did 150 years ago and they still pour concrete pilings to support buildings in soft bases such as limestone. Sure they have slightly better concrete but its the same method of building they have been doing and continue to do since before the industrial age.

[d2bets]

Sea levels rising won't mean shyt because I'll make a mint selling slurry pumps to keep the water out. I could have helped New Orleans a couple of decades ago if they would have just reached out to me but they were stupid and put their pumps in the lowest lying area. That is where the power goes out first if you are not on top of the pumping situation. My solutions work as they are above ground by a good 15 feet or more if need be. This means some lazy ass government worker can forget totally to turn it on and the pump will work when they do hit the switch if for some reason the auto switching mechanism isn't working. I could of done the same for that Nuclear power plant in Japan where again they went cheap and total F'd up the planet with nuclear jizz being released into the ocean.
Here's a news flash, there is no way that climate change is to blame here for a building falling down, this area is was and has been for a long time in the same climate it has been in for about a few thousand to 100 thousand years. A little 50 year increase in water levels don't mean nothing. They still drive piles into the ground like they did 150 years ago and they still pour concrete pilings to support buildings in soft bases such as limestone. Sure they have slightly better concrete but its the same method of building they have been doing and continue to do since before the industrial age.

Slurry you can be a pumping hero here. It amazes me how people (be in individuals, companies or governments) spend millions and billions without employing the best plan and technology available.

[pavyracer]

The pool could have also caused this collapse. This wasn't an in ground pool. There was a garage below the pool. There is a report that the waterproofing wasn't designed/installed correctly and the pool was leaking water into the garage. Pools have chlorine. Chlorine is very corrosive to concrete and reinforcing bars. The slab, beams and columns carry a lot of water from the pool. A 10 ft deep pool full with water weighs the same as 5 feet of dirt. There are eye witnesses that say the pool sunk before the building collapsed. So the failure was at the bottom around the supports of the pool. Once a column failed then gravity worked it's way down to pancake the building. When you see controlled demolishions of buildings on TV the explosives are put at the main columns in the middle of the building so it can cave in on its own.

[blankoblanco]

So they've still only found a dozen or so bodies with 100+ people unaccounted for? Truly horrifying to think of what's beneath the remaining rubble. Really tragic

[cincinnatikid513]

feel for the rescue workers, smell must be awful

[Slurry Pumper]

So they've still only found a dozen or so bodies with 100+ people unaccounted for? Truly horrifying to think of what's beneath the remaining rubble. Really tragic

That's the worst of it. I think about all the people hanging out in their cozy beds then 1 second later they are laying under 100,000 lbs of concrete. At least they never knew what hit them. Well if they are lucky that is. If they were unlucky, they got caught in a small pocket that was enough to shield them from deadly damage only to be trapped for the last week in a tomb of destiny. Truly horrible.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Body of 7 year old daughter of a firefighter pulled from the rubble

20 bodies found so far

Sad

[mngambler]

That's the worst of it. I think about all the people hanging out in their cozy beds then 1 second later they are laying under 100,000 lbs of concrete. At least they never knew what hit them. Well if they are lucky that is. If they were unlucky, they got caught in a small pocket that was enough to shield them from deadly damage only to be trapped for the last week in a tomb of destiny. Truly horrible.

With the way the building 'pancaked' on itself I doubt anyone is alive, I'd be truly shocked...if the building tipped over it could be a different story but I think everyone that still isn't found is 100% deceased...really sad TBH

[MinnesotaFats]

Body of 7 year old daughter of a firefighter pulled from the rubble

20 bodies found so far

Sad

I just read that story

Couldn't imagine a more heart wrenching scenario

[DiggityDaggityDo]

I just read that story

Couldn't imagine a more heart wrenching scenario

His firefighter buds pulled her out, right?

Fuk

[pavyracer]

If the hurricane hits the site the rest of the building could come down. The east side that is exposed now was not designed for hurricane winds as it was an interior wall of the tower before the east side collapsed. So now it has become an exterior wall and with the weakened columns the wind suction could implode those walls.

They are going to have to make a decision soon on whether to demolish the rest of the building before they finally remove all the debris from the collapsed building as the rescue/recovery workers could be in danger.

[slayer14]

121 people still missing and they demolished the whole building. It must be heart wrenching for all the families.

[d2bets]

That's the worst of it. I think about all the people hanging out in their cozy beds then 1 second later they are laying under 100,000 lbs of concrete. At least they never knew what hit them. Well if they are lucky that is. If they were unlucky, they got caught in a small pocket that was enough to shield them from deadly damage only to be trapped for the last week in a tomb of destiny. Truly horrible.

Might be the worst way to die imaginable. Painful to even contemplate.

[cincinnatikid513]

If the hurricane hits the site the rest of the building could come down. The east side that is exposed now was not designed for hurricane winds as it was an interior wall of the tower before the east side collapsed. So now it has become an exterior wall and with the weakened columns the wind suction could implode those walls.

They are going to have to make a decision soon on whether to demolish the rest of the building before they finally remove all the debris from the collapsed building as the rescue/recovery workers could be in danger.

they took care of it today building down, now just gotta find all the bodies ughhh

[sunshine11]

i can't imagine what the smell is going to be like hot temp rotting bodies it would be awful being on the clean up crew

Weirdo

[sunshine11]

feel for the rescue workers, smell must be awful

You are obsessed with dead bodies? Weirdo.

[cincinnatikid513]

You are obsessed with dead bodies? Weirdo.

who the fuk are u


worthless broke dikk non pro

[sunshine11]

Pointing out your obsessed with dead bodies. Truth hurts doesn't it?

[cincinnatikid513]

death toll up to 86