Watch with an open mind... VAXXED

[HurryUpAndDrink]

[Chi_archie]

[leetreaper]

[The General]

Government cover up sometime extreme sometimes not. Another day another dollar.

[The Kraken]

Andrew Wakefield, the director of the film, was a UK physician that published a TWELVE patient study linking mmr vaccine with Autism, some time around 2011. The study was debunked and he was ultimately stripped of his medical license.

I’ve seen it and i view everything with an open mind. It’s conspiracy based quackery that is based on misinformation. The end reaults are dangerous.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

wow, censored already

[DroopyDog]

Look at the typical anti-vaxxer, that alone is enough to end debate in my mind.


Let them choose not to vaccinate, but they should give up certain rights... no public school, no traveling to other countries and plenty else.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

I'm not an antivaxxer. but I think CERTAIN vaccines are not necessary at such a young age... more safety measures need to be taken

[RockBottom]

I'm not an antivaxxer. but I think CERTAIN vaccines are not necessary at such a young age... more safety measures need to be taken

Which ones?

[KVB]

Well, at least one good thing came from those assholes who didn't vaccinate. We learned that the whooping cough vaccine wore off and it needed to be done again.

Oh wait, there wouldn't be any case of whooping cough if those assholes had vaccinated to start with.

It's a public health crisis when groups of people don't vaccinate.

Do these people realize that? Do they know that they are playing a game of "let's play the comeback of horrible diseases" and that's no game you want to play.

Just waiting for polio to come back in style.

Sheesh.

[KVB]

I'm not an antivaxxer. but I think CERTAIN vaccines are not necessary at such a young age... more safety measures need to be taken

Yeah, that can be a deadly game.

Most vaccines are quite justified, far beyond any justification for not having them.

Which one's are you targeting here? Which one's have little or no reward but pose a risk?

[Sanity Check]

AFAIK vaccines contain trace amounts of mercury. That's one negative aspect to them and one way they can wreck a person's health.

One issue with vaccines is they inject babies and children with massive numbers of them all at once which puts a strain on their biology and can impede or retard their normal development, resulting in autism etc.

The gardisil vaccine has been linked to numerous cases of people becoming paralyzed and developing other unusual side effects. The creator of gardisil said it should never hit the market.

Also if you're bored, check out Bill Gates TED talk:

1:58 to 2:20 ^

It seems as if Bill Gates is implying we can depopulate (see: kill) 10% to 15% of the world's population through vaccines, healthcare and reproductive health services.

[KVB]

You misunderstand what Gates is saying there.

He's not talking about killing people, he's talking about slowing population growth.

Family planning with higher child mortality rates could help with that.

I realize you only posted clips of Gates' talk, with some dude's commentary in between, but I can tell you that the interpretation you have of what he said is not correct.

It's an entire Ted Talk of it's own but data supports the increase in health he's talking about with a decrease in birth rate.

Sanity Check, delete your post, at least the part about Gates and the out of context video, it's foolish.

[Sanity Check]

I'll leave it and let people decide for themselves if its foolish or not.



When people like Bill Gates reference depopulation, it might be fair to say there is a contradiction present:

If globalists like Bill Gates want to slow population growth: shouldn't they praise japan for declining birth rates rather than condemning it, like they have 24/7 for the past 5+ years? I'm just gonna say that something weird is going on with globalists like Bill Gates, the things they say, the things they do. I'll leave it @ that.

[KVB]

It's research oriented, you can leave Gates out of it.



You're not really letting people decide when you are cherry picking the Ted Talk.

[The Kraken]

I'll leave it and let people decide for themselves if its foolish or not.



When people like Bill Gates reference depopulation, it might be fair to say there is a contradiction present:

If globalists like Bill Gates want to slow population growth: shouldn't they praise japan for declining birth rates rather than condemning it, like they have 24/7 for the past 5+ years? I'm just gonna say that something weird is going on with globalists like Bill Gates, the things they say, the things they do. I'll leave it @ that.

You don’t even understand what Gates was saying and you use that misinterpretation to form the basis of your misbelief.

[Optional]

Well, at least one good thing came from those assholes who didn't vaccinate. We learned that the whooping cough vaccine wore off and it needed to be done again.

Oh wait, there wouldn't be any case of whooping cough if those assholes had vaccinated to start with.

It's a public health crisis when groups of people don't vaccinate.

Do these people realize that? Do they know that they are playing a game of "let's play the comeback of horrible diseases" and that's no game you want to play.

Just waiting for polio to come back in style.

Sheesh.

Agenda of the selfish.

Don't want to take any risk with my child to protect other people.

But will place them at far more risk by putting them into a car for my own convenience.

[A Quant]

Any crazy fukker that doesn't want to vaccinate their kids, I gotta bet with you.

If you are so sure vaccines aren't worth it, expose your kid to polio, whopping cough, small pox-- and then get back to me with the results.

There is no scientific evidence that any vaccines have caused autism.

But there is a fukkload of evidence that being vaccinated prevents horrible diseases like polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whopping cough, community-acquired pneumonia, smallpox, hepatitis b.

[Sanity Check]

You don’t even understand what Gates was saying and you use that misinterpretation to form the basis of your misbelief.

Bill Gates: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to around 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services we can lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Which part did I "misinterpret"?

.

Don't defend Bill Gates who tried to trade 100% of his stake in microsoft for lotus stock back before MSFT was worth anything. Don't defend Bill Gates who doesn't understand what climate change is or recognize that emissions are the least relevent part of the equation.

You might think that Gates is on the right side because he's famous and has a lot of money but I think in his case he's one of those who aren't the smartest or the most talented. They simply were in the right place @ the right time.

edit


When Gates mentions "reproductive health services" what he's really referring to are abortions, forced sterilizations (which is something that is becoming increasingly common) or similar policies. I think that alone should tell you where his spiel is headed.

[KVB]

Bill Gates: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to around 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services we can lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Which part did I "misinterpret"?...

All of it.

You misinterpret all of it.

I'm going to go with you are just trolling at this point.

[gauchojake]

Most pediatricians take a common sense approach to vaccinations these days spacing them out. My ped advises heavily against guardasil because of all of the adverse reactions but again HPV isn't exactly Polio.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

so you all agree with mandatory vaccination? you trust your government too much

and your government cheats you every day, uses taxpayers $ to start wars and murder innocent people, bail out wall street and the big bankers... and support the terrorist state of Israel, while they have universal health care, you got zilch


seems like a good plan, cool

[KVB]

Hurry, not fair and making far too many assumptions.

It's not about whether or not we trust our gov't. Of course we don't.

But I've seen firsthand the local consequences of those who refuse vaccinations. Diseases spread and this type of backward education, a twisting and refusal to accept certain facts, is uncalled for at best.

It's just wrong and goes against knowledge I've obtained firsthand, both in the lab and in the community.

Some vaccinations should be required and there is no evidence to the contrary.

It's about a public health risk for many vaccinations.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

Hurry, not fair and making far too many assumptions.

It's not about whether or not we trust our gov't. Of course we don't.

But I've seen firsthand the local consequences of those who refuse vaccinations. Diseases spread and this type of backward education, a twisting and refusal to accept certain facts, is uncalled for at best.

It's just wrong and goes against knowledge I've obtained firsthand, both in the lab and in the community.

Some vaccinations should be required and there is no evidence to the contrary.

It's about a public health risk for many vaccinations.

fair enough, I'm just saying eugenics are not cool, people, we as a whole should make an effort to reproduce less

a government should not enforce Draconian laws that lead to that goal, look at late-term post-birth "abortion", look at kids under 12 being given hormones stripping them from a normal upbringing and sexuality

this world is all perverse, why should I think the CDC is any different? why there was no autism before the 1930s? what changed?

neither of us can say for certain, IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

[Sanity Check]

All of it.

You misinterpret all of it.

I'm going to go with you are just trolling at this point.

What did I "misrepresent" specifically?

Back up what you say or plz dont waste pplz time.

[Sanity Check]

Some vaccinations should be required and there is no evidence to the contrary.

If I said: "vaccines are damaging to human health due to them containing mercury".

What would your response to that be?

[KVB]

What did I "misrepresent" specifically?

Back up what you say or plz dont waste pplz time.

I already did. It was in my post above. You know, the one that explains what Gates was saying.

You didn't read it.

So you are responding without reading and want to accuse others of wasting time.

How are you not just trolling at that point?

Sanity, leave the thread, you aren't helping your already debunked case here. I've been trying to help you here with something you clearly don't understand. Re-read my post, otherwise I will just have to repeat myself.

And i'm not going to do that.

[KVB]

If I said: "vaccines are damaging to human health due to them containing mercury".

What would your response to that be?

I would say that you wouldn't understand my response.

You can't even get what Gates was saying, even when explained to you.

[Sanity Check]

You misunderstand what Gates is saying there.

He's not talking about killing people, he's talking about slowing population growth.

Family planning with higher child mortality rates could help with that.

I realize you only posted clips of Gates' talk, with some dude's commentary in between, but I can tell you that the interpretation you have of what he said is not correct.

It's an entire Ted Talk of it's own but data supports the increase in health he's talking about with a decrease in birth rate.

I bolded the two parts where you contradicted yourself.

Is he talking about higher child mortality or decrease in birth rates, those are two completely different things.

Like I said above ^, globalists criticize japan for its declining population and reduction in child births. That's not the globalist blueprint, they're more about forced sterilizations and child mortality. This is what Bill Gates is referring to it parallels things people like Erik Pianka said years ago.

It doesn't make sense for Bill Gates to mention vaccines in the same breath as reducing child births. Vaccines only factor in if child mortality is your goal.

[gauchojake]

Fish has mercury in it yet most people would agree that fish is healthy to eat.

Grapes of Wrath was published in 1939 and I am pretty sure the big guy was a little aspy

Just because we don't have a diagnosis or we call it something different doesn't mean it didn't exist. We called people "slow" for eons. Now they are retards. Next year we'll have a different term.

[KVB]

I bolded the two parts where you contradicted yourself.

Is he talking about higher child mortality or decrease in birth rates, those are two completely different things.

Like I said above ^, globalists criticize japan for its declining population and reduction in child births. That's not the globalist blueprint, they're more about forced sterilizations and child mortality. This is what Bill Gates is referring to it parallels things people like Erik Pianka said years ago.

It doesn't make sense for Bill Gates to mention vaccines in the same breath as reducing child births. Vaccines only factor in if child mortality is your goal.

You are still misunderstanding here. There is no contradiction, only what you want to see as a contradiction. He's talking about both higher mortality and decrease in birth rate. Like I said, it's a Ted Talk in itself but I gave you enough.

You want it to be about "de population" get it out of your head. Gates is talking about population growth and it's rate.

If they wanted to kill people, or force them into a need to be controlled, not vaccinating them would sure as hell do a better job.

Evidence shows that areas with better health, vaccines, education, etc, not only have higher child mortality but also show decreased birthrates. That's what Gates is talking about. Your focus on vaccines is misguided to say the least.

The rest is up to you Sanity, good luck.

In my opinion, when ignorant people start lumping "globalists" in with the kind of choppy BS youtube interpretation that you showed above, you give those of us that understand the geopolitical backdrop a bad name.

That's why I asked you to stop posting.

[Sanity Check]

You are still misunderstanding here. There is no contradiction, only what you want to see as a contradiction. He's talking about both higher mortality and decrease in birth rate.

How do you get higher motality or lower birth rates utilizing vaccines?

The only possible answers are #1 you're killing people with vaccines #2 you're reducing human fertility via vaccine.

Bill Gates clearly says: we can use vaccines to reduce the size of the human population and reduce our carbon footprint. There are only 2 possible ways he can do that and neither is particularly moral or ethical.

[Sanity Check]

Fish has mercury in it yet most people would agree that fish is healthy to eat.

There are warnings against pregnant women eating canned tuna, crab / lobster / bottom feeding seafood which reside near the bottom of the ocean where heavy metals like mercury accumulate.

Having mercury directly injected is different and much more damaging in contrast to eating mercury for the same reasons junkies get a bigger high using needles, than they would if they ate their fix. Anyways if you doubt health hazards of vaccines look no further than gardisil cases.

Its not just vaccines, its been said higher utilization of linoleum or vinyl flooring (over traditional wood flooring) and other environmental factors may also be complicit. That said, if you look @ kids today it is possible a an unusually high number of them have developmental disorders--kind of like how the obesity epidemic has taken off. The establishment and official sources want to pretend people have "always" been obese and autistic in the numbers they are now, but nope dont think thats gonna fly.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Any crazy fukker that doesn't want to vaccinate their kids, I gotta bet with you.

If you are so sure vaccines aren't worth it, expose your kid to polio, whopping cough, small pox-- and then get back to me with the results.

There is no scientific evidence that any vaccines have caused autism.

But there is a fukkload of evidence that being vaccinated prevents horrible diseases like polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whopping cough, community-acquired pneumonia, smallpox, hepatitis b.

LOL... Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about. Besides, if I choose to not vaccinate my body or anyone else's, it's my choice, not the government or some degenerate on a gambling forum. If vaccines truly worked, why would people like you blame the non-vaccinated? According to your theory, only people that should worry are the ones that aren't immune to the said disease. Think before you spew nonsense. Most people on here do not have the knowledge of pathogens or vaccines for that matter.

US has turned into a Banana Republic. US needs sick people to operate. Do you really think living longer with health issues is just a coincidence? The rise in autism, the rise in cancer, the rise in Alzheimer's... pick your poison, you or your loved ones will get one eventually.

Having said that, I don't blame vaccines for all these ailments but we don't need to give our kids 100s of vaccines that are mainly ineffective and money driven. Anyway, you do you but please don't tell others to do what you think you know. The evidence you think are true can be easily manipulated. It all depends who is funding the project. Ask yourself, who has the money to fund these said experiments? Healthcare in the US is a dirty business and the worst thing that can happen is people being healthy...

[KVB]

How do you get higher motality or lower birth rates utilizing vaccines?

The only possible answers are #1 you're killing people with vaccines #2 you're reducing human fertility via vaccine.

Bill Gates clearly says: we can use vaccines to reduce the size of the human population and reduce our carbon footprint. There are only 2 possible ways he can do that and neither is particularly moral or ethical.

No, you still don't get it.

The research is out there, I've given you the facts.

Not sure you understand what higher mortality means. Or maybe you don't understand what a lower birth rate means.

Either way, you are misguided when you point the finger at Bill Gates based on his Ted Talk and, like I said, you give those of us that do understand the problems with mandatory vaccines and more generally the geopolitical backdrop a bad name.

Take another, more valid, angle Sanity.

It's not about Bill Gates.