Hey Clowns..Safest Countries Guns Not Allowed

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and, I don't consider any of them my home/self protection..... that is a 36" easton aluminum softball bat under my side of the bed......

and, don't own a handgun

Exact same thing in a handy spot here.

it's actually illegal to keep a gun, or anything, specifically as a self defense device here btw. If I could not hsow I used it for baseball (whcih I do with my grandson) I coulod technically be charged for just owning it and keeping it in my car or next to my bed.


Here any semi auto capable of holding more than 3 shots and all handguns were banned... without a proper reason. That meant pump action shotguns and all sorts of stuff like .22 rifles with mags that people felt were no real danger were included.

But they also made rules to be able to keep some guns, under strict lockup conditions, if you were a member of a sporting gun club, or a hunter who actually hunted at least twice per year, or a farmer etc etc.

Right now Australia still has plenty of legal gun owners. 25 registered guns per 100 people still (compared to 101 per 100 people in USA) but if you get angry and want to plan a massacre here as teenager, I'd guess your chances of getting a deadly arsenal together are slim to none. Can't even really steal guns very easily if you know an owner, as they have to be kept in strong boxes bolted to the floor.

[Kermit]

no guns=no killing

Guns are the most used weapon involved homicides in the US, but knives and other types of non-firing weapons also make up for around 3,000 deaths a year.

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Will there ever be a day when one of these gun nuts show up and saves the day? Heck even the tooth fairy shows up every three years or so.

SBR poster Paco did just that a couple of years back.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Most sane people want less gun violence. However, I have to agree with most of what Drinker said in post #7. What do you think a solution would be jj? If the U.S. simply made guns illegal tomorrow and everyone was ordered to turn in their guns, what would likely happen? It's almost certain that any and all criminals would keep their guns instead of turning them in. Then we would be even worse off than we are now.

That maybe true but that sick fukk ginger would have never had a gun and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It's not about banning all guns for me, it's about eliminating assault rifles that our forefathers never imagined. I'm all for banning AR15's as it's become the sicko fave. We need to ban any gun that can be easily modified to expel multiple rounds. Most guns should have no more than 5 or 6 rounds before reload. Why do you need 9, 30? Only criminals want more rounds. You are not protecting yourself if you want more rounds. You're actually endangering yourself in the long run.

It's also about reducing the number of guns in circulation. Why do we have more guns than people? Why are gun manufacturers so intent on selling more guns? It's like the nuclear weapon debate. Common sense tells us, less nukes is better in the long run but we've been tricked to believe more guns are better for us. That is asinine.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Guns are the most used weapon involved homicides in the US, but knives and other types of non-firing weapons also make up for around 3,000 deaths a year.

At least you might have a fighting chance versus a knife. But if somehow, kids start slicing up other kids with Ginzu's, we might need to stop selling them too.

[Kermit]

At least you might have a fighting chance versus a knife. But if somehow, kids start slicing up other kids with Ginzu's, we might need to stop selling them too.

I am just pointing out to JJ that people do get killed by things other than guns.

Some kid near Pittsburgh(not far from where I live) went on a knife attack in his school a few years ago. No one died, but he did slice up over 20 people.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/westmoreland/2014/04/09/Multiple-stabbings-reported-at-Franklin-Regional-High-School/stories/201404090148

[Mac4Lyfe]

2nd most moronic statement ever.....guns dont kill, people do. Who commits the majority of gun crimes? Look at our jails. Now how many of those types of people live in the so called safest countries? facts are facts

Crazy sick people kill a lot of people using guns. No guns, no more crazy sick people killing people with guns. I'm sure they'll find another method but at least it won't be by a gun.

Jails are a great example of why we should reduce the amount of guns on the street. No guns in jail... zero gun violence in jail, a place that is noted for violent acts. Because they don't have access to guns, they can't kill anyone with a gun. Now, they could smuggle a gun as easy as drugs in prison but everyone in prison, even the dumb and mentally ill, knows not to even attempt it.

More guns are not the answer. Do you really want to hand out guns at a school playground? It's not the guns that kill argument is misleading and negligent. The chickens will eventually come home to roost in your own world.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I am just pointing out to JJ that people do get killed by things other than guns.

Some kid near Pittsburgh(not far from where I live) went on a knife attack in his school a few years ago. No one died, but he did slice up over 20 people.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/we...s/201404090148

No one died should be just one more reason why we need to keep guns out of sick fukks hands.

[bigtymer56]

I am just pointing out to JJ that people do get killed by things other than guns.

Some kid near Pittsburgh(not far from where I live) went on a knife attack in his school a few years ago. No one died, but he did slice up over 20 people.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/we...s/201404090148

Good thing that kid didn't have a gun.

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I am tired of hearing all of these arguments saying that our culture is so messed up that strict gun laws will not change anything. Please read the posts by Opti, the laws that they have in place in Australia really make sense. It is not gang bangers or Street criminals that are shooting up the schools. Simply make it extremely hard for a mentally unstable person to get guns and ammunition of this sort and school shootings will finally stop! I have no big affiliation with being a Democrat or Republican. As people, we just need to have some common sense!

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Opti, just curious on something. How do they stop a mentally unstable person there from having a self defense weapon? Are there mandatory searches in your homes by law enforcement at random times?

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Opti, just curious on something. How do they stop a mentally unstable person there from having a self defense weapon? Are there mandatory searches in your homes by law enforcement at random times?

It's not really a law that is heavily enforced. I was more pointing it out to say there is/was a major mentality difference in our laws when it comes to self defense. You can defend yourself but just not keep any sort of weapon with the intent to use it for self defense.

If police have reason to search your car, they can say they believe the primary purpose of a baseball bat under the seat is as a weapon and confiscate it or possibly charge you. If a shop keeper pulls a bat on robber and kills him, he can still plead self defense but he's probably still going to be convicted of some level of manslaughter for keeping the "weapon" there for self defense to start with.

Mentally ill people generally stab people here I guess. Or run them over with motor vehicles when they want to do a mass public killing. Happened a few times in last couple of years.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I rather take my chances dodging a truck versus dodging bullets...

[redeye1]

Switzerland has a higher gun ownership percentage of population wise than the USA but is has the least amount of crime than all other european countries.

[redeye1]

JJ, you are baiting people with your statements. You are definitely a master baiter!

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JJ, you are baiting people with your statements. You are definitely a master baiter!

no doubt.... such a master he wore what was once a standard 5" tool down to this:




no wonder he's "anti-gun"

[hostile takeover]

no guns=no killing

Dumbest thing I've heard this century. Thanks.

[jjgold]

I guess I am never wrong

[Mac4Lyfe]

I guess I am never wrong

JJ you are a prophet before your time. One day when this country is decimated by gun violence, people will look back at your writings in awe.

[sourtwist]

Jj and Mac....2 of my favorite people on whole forum

Are completely wrong on this issue

[sourtwist]

Yes. The U.S. is the same as 1940's Germany with Hitler.

So the reason to have a gun is to protect yourself. When was the last time you heard a story on the news that someone protected their family from intruders because they had a gun or anything close to it? It must happen all the time for it to be worth it.

Ever think that the reason it doesn't happen a lot is because people might be less likely to intrude on someone due to the possibility they might have something to protect themselves with?

I will never be an easy target.

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

As long as there are democrats around, we wont be on that list

The World's Safest Countries

1	Iceland	1.111
2	New Zealand	1.241
3	Portugal	1.258
4	Austria	1.265
5	Denmark	1.337
6	Czech Republic	1.360
7	Slovenia	1.364
8	Canada	1.371
9	Switzerland	1.373
10	Japan	1.408
11	Ireland	1.408
12	Australia	1.425
13	Bhutan	1.474
14	Norway	1.486
15	Hungary	1.494
16	Germany	1.500
17	Finland	1.515
18	Sweden	1.516
19	Belgium	1.525
20	Netherlands	1.525
21	Singapore	1.534
22	Mauritius	1.547
23	Spain	1.568
24	Chile	1.595
25	Romania	1.600

some pretty damn good countries there, JJ.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/safest-countries-in-the-world.html

USA not all it's shaked up to be.