Have any Prominent Christian Pastors revealed why God is angry with SE Texas?

[xdodger19]

Osteen isn't a Christian he is a prosperity preacher its another message another spirit

[boneheaded1]

He is not a fraud. He is genuinely a good guy. Not a bad bone in his body. But he is all motivation. He doesn't really know the bible. He is not a biblical scholar. He use to play basketball at the Post Oak ymca. He was always in good shape and hustles his ass off, non stop. You will never, ever see him get upset on the basketball court. I've seen baptist ministers curse playing basketball. The guy will just sit down, smile and get back up to play but never get mad if he missed a shot or did something wrong. I have never seen anyone not get heated playing ball. That tells you a lot. When his dad died he had to take over the ministry. He didn't want it originally but had to do it. He's a music techie/engineer. His passion is sound and video.

I go to his church from time to time. Their song ministry is one of the best anywhere. Superstar singers perform at his church each week. That alone is worth the price of admission. But Joel is not going to challenge you, he's not going to tell you you're going to hell or you're not living right (which I think a minister should at times). But who am I to judge? You will leave his church happy and isn't that worth something?

Now his wife? She's a hot head. lol

I don't dig that kind of brimstone and fire shit. Any church I go into that has that as central to the message loses me instantly. Preach the beatitudes not revelations. Revelations is easy and is a form of control through fear for the weakminded/easily led. My church (through my wife being as I am not a believer but do go) is all service to thy fellow man stuff. Besides, most self proclaimed Christians know all about sin/heaven and hell. But a lot of them could use a primer on the helping the fellow man type of stuff. Which is why I will always have respect for that scheister Tammy Faye. Was very active in AIDS compassion early on, whereas most other Christians were happy to let them rot and pay for their sins.

But hey, whatever gives you comfort and helps you feel better about yourself.

[JIBBBY]

Osteen isn't a Christian he is a prosperity preacher its another message another spirit

I'd say he's a very smart business man with a good heart probably.. Preaches to hit a cord with the masses in positive messages and stories more then actual biblical scripture teachings..

You won't hear him preach - "you are going to hell if you don't change your ways", he won't preach about revelations or even mention that either, etc...

[Andy117]

He owns the Church...

BUT, That entire area is under water. The parking garage is totally flooded. You couldn't get to the church if you wanted to. Whoever is putting out this information is fake.

http://splinternews.com/millionaire-televangelist-prays-for-houston-declines-t-1798518398

Doesn't look like it's all underwater.

[JIBBBY]

Joel just announced he will open his lake wood church doors to victims.. The media pressure paid off I guess.. Better late then never..

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joel-osteen-houston-megachurch-shelter-people-needed-49486486

[Mac4Lyfe]

Joel just announced he will open his lake wood church doors to victims.. The media pressure paid off I guess.. Better late then never..http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...eeded-49486486

Come on Jibbby - you sound like the people that blame Trump for any and everything. The area around the church was totally flooded. The parking garage was under water. Who in their right mind is going to open their doors to THOUSANDS of people without first accessing the dangers/situation? You have to have a shitload of security checking people in else you have a Katrina Superdome fiasco where people are robbing and raping people in the building. You have to have adequate food and clothing as well. That is not an easy task. To now chastise him because you feel he didn't act fast enough is wrong. You cannot tell anyone how they should respond in a disaster. Everyone has to make their own choices.

A good friend of my wife had been posting on Facebook all kind of mean things about Osteen over and over again about his lack of help. This girl is one of the most self centered bitches you will ever meet. Someone responded to her and asked "what are you doing"? "Where are you at"? "Did you open your home to evacuees"? Of course she left her multi-million dollar home in Tanglewood a week ago and is living in a hotel suite in Dallas. Fukkin hypocrite.

[dante1]

I'd say he's a very smart business man with a good heart probably.. Preaches to hit a cord with the masses in positive messages and stories more then actual biblical scripture teachings..

You won't hear him preach - "you are going to hell if you don't change your ways", he won't preach about revelations or even mention that either, etc...

so he's a businessman with a good heart, hmmm. and he doesn't preach the whole bible just cherry picks, hmmm again. He is a phony like 99% of those assholes. he better hope there is no god.

[Mac4Lyfe]

http://splinternews.com/millionaire-...s-t-1798518398
Doesn't look like it's all underwater.

Stop reading news by people who have a fukkin agenda. I saw pictures around the church and a lot of that area was under water. Their garage easily floods so you better not get anyone parking there as well.

But who gives a shit if he opened his doors or not? You cannot tell someone how to donate their time, money or shelter. That is a personal decision. What if he opens the church and someone has a heart attack or a pregnant woman goes into labor? Does he have medical responders to handle the situations? What if a fight breaks out or shooting and several people are killed? As you can tell, Osteen has a lot of haters that look for reasons to bring him down. It would be very foolish for him to open doors and not have everything in place. Katrina proved that.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/29/us/joel-osteen-houston-megachurch-criticism/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/28/joel-osteens-church-staff-rescued-from-texas-floods-as-critics-blast-lack-outreach.html

[Mac4Lyfe]

so he's a businessman with a good heart, hmmm. and he doesn't preach the whole bible just cherry picks, hmmm again. He is a phony like 99% of those assholes. he better hope there is no god.

If he is preaching what HE believes, how would that make him a phony? He really believes in good news. That's his nature. Why condemn the man? He has helped a lot of people.

Why would he have to preach the whole bible? Should he really talk about God ordering the execution of Israelite men for worshiping and having sex with Moabites? Or when God reduced his wrath after Aaron's grandson drove a javelin through the bodies of an Israelite man who wed a Midianite woman? Or when Moses killed thousands of men and all the non virgin woman but kept the virgin woman? Then he made slaves of people under Eleazar the priest? Should he talk about God killing Onan for not getting his sister in law pregnant? Should he preach about law to kill anyone caught in adultery, taking the lords name in vain, stoning women who are found not a virgin on their wedding night?

Please tell me how he should preach? What should he be saying?

[JIBBBY]

Come on Jibbby - you sound like the people that blame Trump for any and everything. The area around the church was totally flooded. The parking garage was under water. Who in their right mind is going to open their doors to THOUSANDS of people without first accessing the dangers/situation? You have to have a shitload of security checking people in else you have a Katrina Superdome fiasco where people are robbing and raping people in the building. You have to have adequate food and clothing as well. That is not an easy task. To now chastise him because you feel he didn't act fast enough is wrong. You cannot tell anyone how they should respond in a disaster. Everyone has to make their own choices.

A good friend of my wife had been posting on Facebook all kind of mean things about Osteen over and over again about his lack of help. This girl is one of the most self centered bitches you will ever meet. Someone responded to her and asked "what are you doing"? "Where are you at"? "Did you open your home to evacuees"? Of course she left her multi-million dollar home in Tanglewood a week ago and is living in a hotel suite in Dallas. Fukkin hypocrite.

Calm down Macster, I'm not hating on Joel.. He does his thing and is now in a position to help his neighbors and the very people that go to Lake Wood church. He came around and I commend him.. That is all.. Good for Joel..

[Mac4Lyfe]

I don't dig that kind of brimstone and fire shit. Any church I go into that has that as central to the message loses me instantly. Preach the beatitudes not revelations. Revelations is easy and is a form of control through fear for the weakminded/easily led. My church (through my wife being as I am not a believer but do go) is all service to thy fellow man stuff. Besides, most self proclaimed Christians know all about sin/heaven and hell. But a lot of them could use a primer on the helping the fellow man type of stuff. Which is why I will always have respect for that scheister Tammy Faye. Was very active in AIDS compassion early on, whereas most other Christians were happy to let them rot and pay for their sins.
But hey, whatever gives you comfort and helps you feel better about yourself.

It sounds like you would love Lakewood. It is a good news, help yourself and others church. The music is phenomenal and you get in and get out quickly. It is very easy to see why it is so popular.

But, I do think there's more to the bible then that. I don't think most Christians really know the nature of God so they have no idea of heaven and hell. I think there should be more to a church than just good news. It is a watered down type of message but people want watered down. Joel is not a biblical scholar. I would not rely on him for my spiritual salvation. But I like Joel. He is truly genuine and does what he believes. He loves helping people and is committed to it. I give him props for that. You will never see him caught up in a sex sting or stealing money from people because that is not him.

[VeggieDog]

Every time a disaster happens people say they're praying....yet disasters keep happening.

When are people going to realize God isn't real and praying doesn't do anything?

Why not just pray for no more hurricanes?

If you want to make a difference, donate money or go help. Don't pray to whatever religions God you prescribe to.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Calm down Macster, I'm not hating on Joel.. He does his thing and is now in a position to help his neighbors and the very people that go to Lake Wood church. He came around and I commend him.. That is all.. Good for Joel..

"The media pressure paid off I guess.. Better late then never.."

The above sure sounds like you were hating??? You automatically accused that he was late in his response and assumed that the only reason he's doing it is because he was pressured by the media. Sounds just like the haters speaking on Trump. It's no big deal and I'm pulling your chain a bit but I'm just saying that Osteen is good people. His dad was great people. Don't let the media or what you read affect your perception.

[PaperTrail07]

Not a fan of anyone who profits selling HOPE and pushing FEAR.....go f yourself JOEL......

[PaperTrail07]

Emptying the pockets of the depressed, uneducated, misinformed/uninformed .... overall its just a sad thing....on both sides..

[Mac4Lyfe]

When are people going to realize God isn't real and praying doesn't do anything?

How do you know God is not real? Who told you that? What evidence do you have?

Do you know how so many people can claim that God is real? They can confirm that God is real through physical evidence, witnesses, and spiritual confirmation. But if you already don't believe then you will never get confirmation nor will you see the physical evidence. Maybe if you talk to witnesses, that may at least give you an open mind but until then...

[Mac4Lyfe]

Not a fan of anyone who profits selling HOPE and pushing FEAR.....go f yourself JOEL......

You've got the wrong preacher. He NEVER pushes fear. He never talks negatively. He talks prosperity but not by hope without action.

[JIBBBY]

You've got the wrong preacher. He NEVER pushes fear. He never talks negatively. He talks prosperity but not by hope without action.

True, Joel does not preach FEAR.. That's for sure.. His messages are all positive and he preaches hope and good things to come always..

[PaperTrail07]

JIBBBY speaking about the "end" and where you wanna be--in the light or in the darkness mmmk?.......its subtle.....but its fear.....

True, Joel does not preach FEAR.. That's for sure.. His messages are all positive and he preaches hope and good things to come always..

[Grits n' Gravy]

Osteen is nothing but a scam artist who found a niche. Just another Falwell, Robertson and Baker with shiny teeth.

Waiting on mac4lyfe to tell us how he was at the last supper with Jesus and the Apostles and then Judas was a great guy, just misunderstood.

[PaperTrail07]

"HOPE " LMFAO come on guys

[PaperTrail07]

My JOEL OSTEEN....I didn't think the guy literally sold HOPE T -Shirts as well LMFAO.......UN REAL

[Nitrogen]

How do you know God is not real? Who told you that? What evidence do you have?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Saying I don't believe in a supernatural unproven thing, doesn't put the onus on me to prove something doesn't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

They can confirm that God is real through physical evidence, witnesses, and spiritual confirmation

I don't doubt that they believe. But there is no measurable evidence - none.

[Nitrogen]

Osteen is nothing but a scam artist who found a niche. Just another Falwell, Robertson and Baker with shiny teeth.

You're right that he's just another in a long line of those who find their niche peddling this nonsense.

On a scale of 0 to 10 (10 being total scumbag scam artist), Osteen is a 5-6 since his niche is basically all new testament without any condemnation or threats, mixed in with the prosperity message (God wants you to be rich).

As opposed to the Falwell/Robertson crowd who hung heaven/hell over the heads of their congregations like they dangling yarn in front of a cat. All the while embracing or ignoring murderous dictators or embracing sins like greed like they were part of the mission statement of a company.

[JIBBBY]

^^^You guys are quick to judge a man you never met.. Joel seems like a good guy to me, he's just caught up in the material world like most of us..

No man is perfect as I know I'm not...

[boneheaded1]

It sounds like you would love Lakewood. It is a good news, help yourself and others church. The music is phenomenal and you get in and get out quickly. It is very easy to see why it is so popular.

But, I do think there's more to the bible then that. I don't think most Christians really know the nature of God so they have no idea of heaven and hell. I think there should be more to a church than just good news. It is a watered down type of message but people want watered down. Joel is not a biblical scholar. I would not rely on him for my spiritual salvation. But I like Joel. He is truly genuine and does what he believes. He loves helping people and is committed to it. I give him props for that. You will never see him caught up in a sex sting or stealing money from people because that is not him.

Oh, I think most Christians understand it all they need to. What's to comprehend. Heaven good. Hell bad. What else is there? As to what puts you there, well, opinions and interpretation vary. Just because someone doesn't interpret it one way doesn't mean he is wrong. It's the example of Jesus they should be following, that's why they are called CHRISTians. Did Jesus do Brimstone and fire? A little bit (mainly the moneychangers in the temple), but for the most part he was about love and acceptance. Even the sinners are children of God in his eyes. VERY few brimstone and fire churches follow that principal. And a higher % of their pastors get caught in some type of scandal than their service to man pastor counterparts. It's just personal preference I guess. But I, actually more like we, don't need someone teaching us about heaven and hell. We need someone teaching us how to love each other.

And biblical scholar? You actually don't mean that. You mean theologian. I know a guy who is an atheist who is a biblical scholar.

[rkelly110]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Saying I don't believe in a supernatural unproven thing, doesn't put the onus on me to prove something doesn't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

I don't doubt that they believe. But there is no measurable evidence - none.

Look out the window.

[manny24]

"HOPE " LMFAO come on guys

your boy in the NIKE lid on that jungle fever

[rkelly110]

Joel's ok. Used to watch him after George stuffingenvelopes then they took him off. Didn't like the people yelling amen
or whatever else, it's not a baptist church. Was getting so bad you couldn't hear him talk.

[Mac4Lyfe]

JIBBBY speaking about the "end" and where you wanna be--in the light or in the darkness mmmk?.......its subtle.....but its fear.....

When have you ever heard Osteen talk about the end? Or where you wanna be in the afterlife? You have the wrong preacher PT07. Osteen does not preach fear at all. Not even subtle fear. Which is one reason a lot of people don't like him.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Oh, I think most Christians understand it all they need to. What's to comprehend. Heaven good. Hell bad. What else is there? As to what puts you there, well, opinions and interpretation vary. Just because someone doesn't interpret it one way doesn't mean he is wrong. It's the example of Jesus they should be following, that's why they are called CHRISTians. Did Jesus do Brimstone and fire? A little bit (mainly the moneychangers in the temple), but for the most part he was about love and acceptance. Even the sinners are children of God in his eyes. VERY few brimstone and fire churches follow that principal. And a higher % of their pastors get caught in some type of scandal than their service to man pastor counterparts. It's just personal preference I guess. But I, actually more like we, don't need someone teaching us about heaven and hell. We need someone teaching us how to love each other.

And biblical scholar? You actually don't mean that. You mean theologian. I know a guy who is an atheist who is a biblical scholar.

^^^ Which is why I said I think you would like his church. You're post is very similar to most people that attend his church. He teaches good news and love.

Biblical scholar and theologians can both be atheist. Joel is neither.

BTW - the church rounded up hundreds of helpers and thousands of items for evacuees. No way this could have been done at the last minute. They have taken in evacuees and their pets. They are very organized and is taking in a lot of people in need. Hundreds of cars are pouring into the church with food and clothing. Good to see. Good deeds should never be taken lightly.

[BigDofBA]

Did you die and come back yet? How can you be so sure a God doesn't exist?

There isn't any real evidence of God. That is why I am an atheist. Unlike religious people...rather it be Christians, Muslims, Mormons, Jews, etc....I'm not locked into to anything. I look for evidence and truth and actually consider all options.

Life had to start some where right?

Of course it did. However, they doesn't necessarily mean there was a creator in the sky. Using that logic I could ask you who created God. If it was possible for God to always exist, why wouldn't it be possible for elements in the periodic table to always exist?

The human brain doesn't seem able to undertstand the realm of something that is infinite because all we know are things that start and end.

I believe evolution, natural selection, and genetic mutation are all plausable explanations for our existence. I do not believe in the following:

An invisible man in the sky
A devil with horns and a pitchfork
People that lived to be 900
Talking snakes
People that lived in whales
Virgin births

I don't think a potential human gene cell just appeared and morphed and evolved into us from nothing or in the right atmospheric conditions over millions of years.. Just a theory of mine though.. Crazy to think we evolved so fast in just the last 200 years on a side note as well..

And that's fine. I don't put anyone down for their beliefs. I was raised Christian and live in the middle of the Bible belt. As a child, people threaten you with hell and make you feel guilty if you even question it so a lot of people blindly believe and are afraid to do their own research.

I never believed any of it and when I really actually read the Bible I 100% didn't believe. The more I read of the bible, the more far fetched it becomes. Slavery, murdering children, and stoning women...it's all in there but they don't teach those versus at church.

I've studied all sorts of different religions....Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. There are thousands of them and they all believe a little differently and all of them think they are 100% right. Using basic statistics, even if one religion was right, that means 99.9% of them are wrong. So I've come to the conclusion that they're all wrong. If you're a Christian, you're an atheist with respect to Islam. I just believe in one less God than you.

Don't you think it's weird that about the time the human race could start filming and recording stuff all these miracles of God quit happening? Like, people quit living in whales and living to be 900 and shit. What are the odds?

If God existed, don't you think you would walk outside and see all sorts of supernatural shit every day?

If God created everything, that means he created tornadoes, hurricanes, diseases, etc. What a horrible diety. Children die every minute or are born with diseases and disabilities....why does this happen?

Also, the idea of free will is BS. I didn't have a choice if I was born. I didn't choose my parents. I didn't choose my genetics or race. Having to worship something you can't see or burn in hell for eternity isn't a choice. It's an ultimatum.

Nothing against Christians. There are a lot of good ones out there. I just don't believe in it for thousands of reasons. I feel like all the Gods we have today are no different then ancient Greek mythology Gods. You don't believe in Zeus, Athena, or any of the other Gods out there. Neither do I....I don't believe in yours either.

We can pray all we want during this disaster but another is still going to happen and innocent people will suffer for no reason.

[PaperTrail07]

w all women and 1 of few sporting shades my man

your boy in the NIKE lid on that jungle fever

[PaperTrail07]

itz not personal lol...id call anyone out preaching selling hope T shirts LOL...

^^^You guys are quick to judge a man you never met.. Joel seems like a good guy to me, he's just caught up in the material world like most of us..

No man is perfect as I know I'm not...

[Kermit]

Emptying the pockets of the depressed, uneducated, misinformed/uninformed .... overall its just a sad thing....on both sides..

Truth right here.