How would you handle this?

[StackinGreen]

A guy at the workplace of a family member was running his mouth about Hillary last fall, and how Trump had no chance, and I was made aware of this. I told my family member that I would stake a nickel on Trump and tell the guy to put his money where his mouth is, 3-1 odds, a good price at the time (it was at least 4 at markets or books). The entire work environment was abuzz because they generally liked action, but were small bettors, guys who bet like $5-$20 on all sorts of sports related stuff, etc. So they draw up a contract (just an agreement written down on paper) and it says whoever puts his hand on the bible (inauguration) is the declared winner.

Fast forward, Trump obviously won over 10 weeks ago, and last week was sworn in. The guy says he doesn't have the money, but it's the first time he's mentioned anything, though he's known for weeks that the pay date was coming.

What would you do?

Do you think the boss of the company who oversaw it all has a responsibility to make sure there is a suitable outcome?

[Auto Donk]

sorry, no go.... illegal contract, almost assuredly not enforceable in any jurisdiction in the U.S.

having the guy clipped is the only suitable outcome

[Snowball]

well the guy obviously has a job, we're just past the Holidays,
not inconceivable at all that he was planning to win, so the
solution is obvious, make him pay it off weekly..

that's what the mob does.

[jtoler]

Gambling is illegal sir.

[KVB]

Guy doesn't want to pay, make sure everyone knows, then never engage in an agreement with him again.

Unless you have to for actual work related reasons of course.

[KVB]

Gambling is illegal sir.

I don't think this is true.

Two people can make a friendly wager about anything and there is no law that is being broken, even on sports.

[OTL]

having the guy clipped is the only suitable outcome

No, dead men don't pay.

Start with a verbal warning, and if he still doesn't pay you have to rough him up a bit to show him you're serious. Start with the face, as you want him to be able to continue working to better your chances of getting your money. Then you have to start working your way down the body if subsequent visits are necessary. You don't want to drag this out too long if you think he may skip town.

[SharpAngles]

Probably go with the spray paint on his car route. Let everyone know he's a stiffing bastard.

[KVB]

[Auto Donk]

I don't think this is true.

Two people can make a friendly wager about anything and there is no law that is being broken, even on sports.

sure they can make it, but the courts won't enforce it..... most all jurisdictions have well established precedent that courts will not enforce an agreement where the subject matter/performance of the agreement involves such conduct.....

don't believe me? Do like JJ Gold, and go into an alley, give a hooker some money for a fuk, and follow her instructions when she says "get naked, I'll be right back," and once ur naked she hauls ass laughing at you with your money in tow......

file a breach of contract lawsuit against her....

report back with how that lawsuit turns out for ya

[Auto Donk]

Probably go with the spray paint on his car route. Let everyone know he's a stiffing bastard.

man, talk about an oldy but goody, I remember laughing my ass off at the mis-spelling of "barstard" back in 2003 with a former gf of mine.....

[Auto Donk]

No, dead men don't pay.

Start with a verbal warning, and if he still doesn't pay you have to rough him up a bit to show him you're serious. Start with the face, as you want him to be able to continue working to better your chances of getting your money. Then you have to start working your way down the body if subsequent visits are necessary. You don't want to drag this out too long if you think he may skip town.

yah, but the dead guy wasn't going to pay even if you let him off light, and 1. it feels good to kill a guy that stiffs you, and 2. it sends a message to all other wouldbe stiffers that they better come up with the dough

[KVB]

sure they can make it, but the courts won't enforce it..... most all jurisdictions have well established precedent that courts will not enforce an agreement where the subject matter/performance of the agreement involves such conduct.....

don't believe me? Do like JJ Gold, and go into an alley, give a hooker some money for a fuk, and follow her instructions when she says "get naked, I'll be right back," and once ur naked she hauls ass laughing at you with your money in tow......

file a breach of contract lawsuit against her....

report back with how that lawsuit turns out for ya

True, I wasn't saying it could go to the courts, I was just saying the act of the friendly wager isn't against the law. There's no prosecuting the the two parties for making a bet.

I wouldn't think anyone would or could take that kind of nonsense to court, paper napkin contract or not.

[KVB]

...1. it feels good to kill a guy that stiffs you...

I'm glad I'm on the right side with Donkland. In fact, I just gave 200 points for his worthy cause.

[KVB]

I was laughing at "Hope the pussy was worth it"

I didn't even see the misspelling.

[Auto Donk]

I'm glad I'm on the right side with Donkland. In fact, I just gave 200 points for his worthy cause.

yes, and thanks for reminding me about that generous gift.... I thanked you and bdog in the thread, and f'n thing froze up after I hit "post", and kept asking me if I wanted to "stay on page or leave".....

forgot to go back and see if it showed or not.... and just saw that it did not....
thanks a bunch for that donation, KVB, and I hope SBR will be game about selling any leftover shirts on the site to benefit Angelman's efforts.....

[Auto Donk]

and, for the lilly-livered among us who can't quite handle the thought of taking another human life, you can always opt to go glen close/fatal attraction on the guy that stiffs you, or on his family, or even their family pet.....

[SharpAngles]

Fkn autocorrect ruined my punchline. Fkn barstarps!

[krk1030]

If the boss tried to do anything to get him to pay he is a moron. Should forget he knows anything about it.

[StackinGreen]

Donkster, of course there is nothing legally enforceable, just like all bookie stuff as well. The guy is an amateur and knows little about the game, could easily be scared of course, because he's a pussy Hillary supporter anyway. But that's not the point so much as that anyone that has a job and makes 30-40K in this country can easily pay 3 nickels or at the very least, find a loan (credit card apr free for 12-18 months, or a friend) and make good. Yeah, it feels weird but it's always easier than anyone thinks. If you are the boss, how could you have an environment that constantly places wagers yet you knowingly let a guy welch? It's a disgrace. 10+ people witnessed it and knew it was or should have been coming for over 3 months.

I can think of creative ways that a rook like that will be shtting in his pants. He'll find out when he needs to, it ain't hard at all to get a G.

You have rent? So, why you running your mouth? You have school loans (guy actually said this) ... so? The guy drinks, you don't think he spends $50-100 a week on booze? GTFO

[Auto Donk]

love this, and it applies here:

it's the DonkLand way of life.....

[StackinGreen]

"Sell" the debt?

[StackinGreen]

Update:

Guy comes in contrite says he will try to pay a c note next two weeks

[StackinGreen]

Update:

Guy comes in contrite says he will try to pay a c note next two weeks

I'm like 15 staight?

By the way, is there any way a person who makes 45-50k can't come up with 1500 in 3 months with a reputation on the line? Or at all?

[Sam Losco]

what did he say after you asked 15 straight?

[katstale]

I found my old post from 2012! thought you guys might enjoy and it applies to this in general:

This thread made me wax nostalgic. I used to do a lot of my own collecting. There is nothing worse than a weasel no paying scumbag, but i digress.... First time I was learning the business I was sent out with a "veteran" and we showed up at the back of this brick building at 4:55 p.m. on a friday. (Picture in your mind Stone Cold Steve Austin with an additional 50 lbs and it will help with the visualization) I said to Big John, "what are we doing in this parking lot?" He says, "The dude works inside and slips out the back on pay day. He cashed his check at lunch and we'll surprise him when he heads to his car."

Sure enuff the guy slips out the back door and makes a beeline for his car. John rolls out and gets between the guy and his Supra. Predictably, the guy starts with "man, I was just gonna call you--you saved me the dime!!" John, doesnt even give they guy any small talk etc just says "Open your wallet!"

The guy starts out a little macho and says "Come on man, I am not just gonna open my wallet for you like that!!" Now my adrenaline is pumping and I am not even supposed to get involved--just an observer. John, calm as can be, says in a low voice "look, it's like this, you owe 2k and you have missed 2 payments. If you hand me the wallet I will take it all minus $50 OR i will take it off your body after i have beat your ass senseless and leave you nothing! It's your choice, bro! makes no difference to me I get paid the same. Just business"

Now the guy hesitates and you can see him swallowing hard and thinking--was probably 5 seconds but it seemed like 5 minutes of pause--he reaches in his pants and hands over the wallet. As promised, John left him $50 took abt 400 i think it was and politely handed the wallet back to him. Says, "Thanks, will see ya next week since i can't depend on you anymore to find me!'

Now i figure thats that and we are leaving, but the deadbeat says to him "John, would you really have beat me down and taken the wallet?" John starts laughing out loud (and I am not sure this guy ever laughed much) finally stops laughing and says "Come on man, be real for once in your sorry life, if you want to know the answer to that question. Find out next friday!!"

And off we went to the next appointment. I learned more abt 'business" in that week following John around than I did in all my years in college or since. Ok, back to the grind.

[guitarjosh]

love this, and it applies here:

it's the DonkLand way of life.....

I was thinking this scene:

[StackinGreen]

what did he say after you asked 15 straight?

I'm not there it's my family member. Since that member isn't getting paid (the winnings are essentially mine) it's apparently a case of, oh ok then firm speak rather than press the stiff. I'd have thought the other office guys would have a word with the stiff. I don't have a problem with a payment plan, but in 3 months you should definitely have $500 as a base, then pay as you go

Maybe when the stiff comes in Monday empty handed it'll finally piss off my family member, just on prínciple

[StackinGreen]

the douche actually now shows no contrition, said "I'll do what Trump does" [makes up some nonsensical reason why not to pay]

I want to know any suggestions about the best way to scare this pussy, such a stupid move now he's actively pissing a lot of people off

[USCPHILLYGUY]

take a hundy and turn pro

[maggiethebestdog]

Either kick the crap out of the guy or STFU.

[StackinGreen]

Lol, ok

[Foxx]

What kind of workplace? I'm guessing it's not blue collar.

[PittsburghPlayer]

with cameras and microphones ALL around us it is very difficult to get away with any crimes anymore,
so that option is out

maybe find a fitting nickname for this weasel that is not too offensive and can be used in the workplace
and shame that bitch into coughing up the cash

[chico2663]

Probably go with the spray paint on his car route. Let everyone know he's a stiffing bastard.

had some woman find out I was tagging her sister. Had 2 buy 4 tires on my pathfinder and front window and side.500 deductible. They hold that shit for 5 years on your record for insurance records