Americans Now Think Evangelical Christians Are More Discriminated Against Than Atheis

[ACoochy]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/09/22/americans-now-think-evangelical-christians-are-more-discriminated-against-than-atheists/

A new survey out today by the Pew Research Forum shows that more Americans than ever before (72%) think religion is losing its influence on society… and, for some reason, many of them think thats a bad thing.
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The findings reflect a widening divide between religiously affiliated Americans and the rising share of the population that is not affiliated with any religion (sometimes called the “nones”). The public’s appetite for religious influence in politics is increasing in part because those who continue to identify with a religion (e.g., Protestants, Catholics and others) have become significantly more supportive of churches and other houses of worship speaking out about political issues and political leaders talking more often about religion. The “nones” are much more likely to oppose the intermingling of religion and politics.


Thoughts?

[rkelly110]

Looks like the none's are winning. Here in the US, court houses are constantly attacked about having the 10 commandments displayed, they want "in god we trust" taken off our money, no praying in our schools and anything else god related pertaining to govt. I think they have taken the bible away and the so help me god phrase out of the court houses. They want to stop the pledge of allegiance in schools, because of the phrase, one nation under god.

Church membership/ participation has gone down significantly here.

It's bullshit. If people don't want to pray when everyone else does, they don't have to. If they don't want god displayed in govt, or Tim Tebow taking a knee on the field, don't look at it. Simple.

Where are people supposed to get their morals if not for religion? See it everyday in the news. Morals are out the window. From cops, to the idiots blasting each other over some girl, late at night in a bar.

A godless society causes mayhem like we are seeing now. Then you have the crazies who misinterpret gods words thinking they will be martyrs by killing and being killed.

Not a good time to be living in this world.

[jtoler]

The U.S. is turning further and further away from God, run into so many people these days who say they dont believe in God or think there is one.

[TheGoldenGoose]

I believe in God.

I believe in Santa Claus.

I believe in the Easter Bunny.

I believe in George Carlin...

[brooks85]

Looks like the none'slibtards are winning. Here in the US, court houses are constantly attacked about having the 10 commandments displayed, theyI want "in god we trust" taken off our money, no praying in our schools and anything else god related pertaining to govt. I think they have taken the bible away and the so help me god phrase out of the court houses. TheyI want to stop the pledge of allegiance in schools, because of the phrase, one nation under god.

there ya go, fixed it for ya since you are unequivocally apart of the problem.

[rkelly110]

Is it recess again brooksy? Time to play with your forum toys? Instead of the teacher paddling your ass, he should take it to your head.

[muldoon]

Discrimination and racism were institutionalized. Children could be openly beaten because they were thought of as property first. Sexual abuse against children was either ignored, or the victim blamed. All occurred when prayer was in school and monuments existed everywhere. The good ol' days!

Forcing a fantasy on people doesn't instill morals.

[zizoudane10]

Good.

[brainfreeze]

I think them talking about it is good and necessary. We have that separation between church and state, people can do what they want to. God is the basic foundations of the country though. It's what our folks fought and died for, one nation under God, no taking that back. People shouldn't want to take God out equation, certainly during a time of technological advances as we have today. Anyone heard of transhumanism ? I pray the good people of America, wake up!

[muldoon]

It's what our folks fought and died for, one nation under God

Yet that wasn't added until 1954.

How did people know what to fight for before having it put on the pledge in 1954 (as a response to perceived consumerism no less)

[innovation]

^ you need to brush up in your US history if you think God was introduced to this country in 1954

Go visit the Washington monument which was constructed between 1848-56 and 1876-84

every symbol and text are relating to God. The cornerstone and foundation of which this countries constitution was built on.

Just like all civilizations past and present. The further we distance ourselves from God the worse of a nation we are.

[muldoon]

^ you need to brush up in your US history if you think God was introduced to this country in 1954

I was referring to the pledge and on paper money.

[brainfreeze]

The ideals, principles remain the same, more you deny it, your just kidding yourself.

[jtoler]

Men left to their own devices will ultimately destroy themselves.

[bigtymer56]

^ you need to brush up in your US history if you think God was introduced to this country in 1954

Go visit the Washington monument which was constructed between 1848-56 and 1876-84

every symbol and text are relating to God. The cornerstone and foundation of which this countries constitution was built on.

Just like all civilizations past and present. The further we distance ourselves from God the worse of a nation we are.

Guess that means God was cool with slavery...another foundation in which this country was built on.

[innovation]

don't be fooled

man is the natural enemy to god

everyone wants to say or blame god for horrendous events/tragedies

when man is the only physical creation which is willingly is defiant to god

if god wants to move a mountain he can

he cannot force any man to do anything

its called free agency, a gift to all mortals

[brainfreeze]

Guess that means God was cool with slavery...another foundation in which this country was built on.

God didn't create slavery, Adam and Eve were free... He had to tolerate it though, this is man your speaking of.

[chipper]

Some Evangelical Christians (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church) DESERVE to be discriminated against!

[Pareto]

God didn't create slavery, Adam and Eve were free... He had to tolerate it though, this is man your speaking of.

Well he certainly didnt do much to end it. When he gave the 10 commandment to Moses, why didnt he put in " Thy shall not enslave other men" instead of "Thy shall not covet thy neighbours slaves".

It doesnt seem like a god that cares that much about slavery. For some strange reason he is more concerned with jealousy than with humans living as slaves.

[Big Bear]

The U.S. is turning further and further away from God, run into so many people these days who say they dont believe in God or think there is one.

yep its sad.

[Big Bear]

[QUOTE=chipper;22671707]Some Evangelical Christians (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church) DESERVE to be discriminated against![/

if you are evangelical that means you are a christian but its non-demonational meaning you are not "Baptist" ,
protestant, Catholic or any other form of the christian religion

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Guy named "innovation" pushing God...nice

[GUMMO77]

I really hope most people don't need a book to tell them how to live morally.

[zizoudane10]

I really hope most people don't need a book to tell them how to live morally.

[brainfreeze]

Well he certainly didnt do much to end it. When he gave the 10 commandment to Moses, why didnt he put in " Thy shall not enslave other men" instead of "Thy shall not covet thy neighbours slaves".

It doesnt seem like a god that cares that much about slavery. For some strange reason he is more concerned with jealousy than with humans living as slaves.

Don't you know, His own people were slaves, that wondered around for forty years. He's worried about your heart not conditions you live in necessarily, we are all slaves to the system to a degree at this point, don't believe in abortion but my taxes are funding it.

Gummo, of course you need the Word of God to live by Gods Word...

[brainfreeze]

I really hope most people don't need a book to tell them how to live morally.

Your speaking of secular morality, how can you be moral with no moral guide or compass?

[brainfreeze]

Christian theologian Ron Rhodes has remarked that "it is impossible to distinguish evil from good unless one has an infinite reference point which is absolutely good."[7] Peter Singer states that, "Traditionally, the more important link between religion and ethics was that religion was thought to provide a reason for doing what is right, the reason being that those who are virtuous will be rewarded by an eternity of bliss while the rest roast in hell.

[marcoloco]

Christian theologian Ron Rhodes has remarked that "it is impossible to distinguish evil from good unless one has an infinite reference point which is absolutely good."[7] Peter Singer states that, "Traditionally, the more important link between religion and ethics was that religion was thought to provide a reason for doing what is right, the reason being that those who are virtuous will be rewarded by an eternity of bliss while the rest roast in hell.

makes sense

[marcoloco]

^^ animals and other creatures on earth do not have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. Why would we evolve to have this "sense" It is suppose to be survival of the fittest, but if we see a 20 year old beating down and robbing an 80 year old lady, our nature is not to look the other way and go about our business as if nothing happened. We do not think, or feel, "survival of the fittest" that is not our mentality. The thought of us evolving to reach this point is a step in the opposite direction of "survival of the fittest"

[jtoler]

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[Pareto]

Don't you know, His own people were slaves, that wondered around for forty years. He's worried about your heart not conditions you live in necessarily,

So he has no problem with me enslaving another man.

But if I have coveted my neighbours slaves, then I have sinned.

[jtoler]

So he has no problem with me enslaving another man.

But if I have coveted my neighbours slaves, then I have sinned.

Slavery had a much different facility back then and putting up with something doesnt mean you agree with it.

[Pareto]

Slavery had a much different facility back then and putting up with something doesnt mean you condone it.

It sure did. And one of the reasons was that our omnibenevolent god, appereantly had no problem with it.

[jtoler]

It sure did. And one of the reasons was that our omnibenevolent god, appereantly had no problem with it.

Why dont you read your bible instead of ignorantly condemning your creator. Some slaves were the result of battles fought, many willingly became slaves, some became slaves from debts incurred but were instructed to only be held for 6 years and after that they were freed and given plenty to sustain them
, doctors and lawyers became slaves, slaves werent taken in as a result of a specific nationality or race though and treated inhumanely.

[guitarjosh]

Some Evangelical Christians (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church) DESERVE to be discriminated against!

So you're okay with discrimination, as long as it's against the people you hate.