WOULD YOU REPORT YOUR EMPLOYER for HIRING ILLEGALS ?

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  • LeahMichele
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    • 12-30-11
    • 857

    #1
    WOULD YOU REPORT YOUR EMPLOYER for HIRING ILLEGALS ?
    I want to make it clear, im serious and this is true.

    Here is the short version. I have worked for my employer for 11 + years and on my way up the ladder It has become very clear to me that my employer knowingly hires illegals and doesnt comply with the I9 requirements. A few years ago I was told by an illegal alien that she was in fact illegal. She told me the whole story as to how she and her friends snuck in and that is why her daughter is still in Guatamela, she told me it cost her so much to be brought in and she cant afford to bring in her daughter. I reported this to my boss and he told me rather bluntly to STFU and to tell her to STFU about how she got here. I felt I had done what I was required to do and let it go.

    Now I am the highest level person in my business, the "boss" in fact. Last week, I was entering all the school parent authorizations and making sure I had all the required child labor paperwork. I came upon a person who now works under me and noticed that I did not have the proper I9 documentation. I was told by my supervisor that there is no I9 documentation and to enter it in our computer database that I did have it. I made it clear that I did not ant to and my supervior put it in that we did have documentation that in fact we dont have.

    Now I am really concerned because I feel that if the SHTF here I could be the one to get held responsible since I am now the direct supervisor of this illegal person and I know the person to be illegal. My problem is that I know if I reported this and my supervisor found out, I would be fired. I have seen years of vindictiveness from this person. an excuse to fire me would be found, but at the same time I am quite worried that I am committing a serious crime by knowingly going along with this.

    If I were to report, would there be any protections to keep me from facing repercussions ? Or is it just like everything else where the law says its illegal for the employer to get back at you, but if they do, oh well you have to hire an attorney. who can afford to hire an attorney when they dont even have a job anymore ?

    Anyways, any advice would be appreciated.
  • Hot Jerry
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    • 08-16-13
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    #2
    what kind of work do u do ?
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    • Hot Jerry
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      • 08-16-13
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      #3
      and one more think - How old are u and are you college educated ???
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      • LeahMichele
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        • 12-30-11
        • 857

        #4
        I m a restaurant General Manager
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        • LeahMichele
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          • 12-30-11
          • 857

          #5
          Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
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          • Carseller4
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 10-22-09
            • 19627

            #6
            Report it to who? Immigration? They could care less.
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            • Optional
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              • 06-10-10
              • 61350

              #7
              I can't imagine you are going to be in serious trouble for your employer paying illegals, no matter what your supervisory capacity of them might be. Particularly if you have already reported it to your supervisor. Half of America would be on charges if just knowing about an illegal worker without reporting it was an enforced law.

              As far as the question in thread title. No, I would not stick out my hand to take their money and then be that disloyal. I'd talk to the owner or write them a letter about it if I was going to do anything.
              .
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              • Kermit
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                • 09-27-10
                • 32555

                #8
                Originally posted by LeahMichele
                I m a restaurant General Manager
                Been there my man. Managed from 92 to 2007. One job that I would never want to do again.
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                • innovation
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                  • 01-27-12
                  • 6218

                  #9
                  Yes you are going to be held responsible for fostering a Obama voter.

                  our country doesn't care buddy.....people use to sneak across and hide

                  now they come here and turn themselves in......they understand how the gravy train works
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                  • The Kraken
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                    • 12-25-11
                    • 28918

                    #10
                    Personally, I wouldn't. But that's just me. I'm not saying this about you but I found that minding my own business was my best course of action. Some people involve themselves in everything and justify it in every possible way. They just love being in the middle of something. I work with numerous people like this.

                    There's a lot of unknown's here obviously but I would assume the illegals are very grateful for having any job. I would look at it from their perspective and ask yourself, if in their shoes, would you want you to go to the authorities.

                    Live and let live.

                    Also, you are certainly not responsible for your companies hiring practices. I also am in a supervisory role and am in no way responsible for the citizenship status of those beneath me. That's a human resource problem.
                    Last edited by The Kraken; 09-20-14, 09:30 PM.
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                    • Hot Jerry
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                      • 08-16-13
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                      #11
                      U will hurt ur self and NOTHING will be done by the company !! Let it ride and quietly star a looking for another job , because u already on the sh....t list !! Been there and done that and I thought that Im doing the right thing by talking to my management about are situation [ illegals ] on my job - not even 3 months later I was fired - I was tour bus driver here in Las Vegas for 25 years !! Work for them all over the years !!
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                      • thunderous
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                        • 06-05-12
                        • 1870

                        #12
                        You do understand that if he doesn't hire illegals then it would be probably extremely tough for him to be profitable and be open for business which relates directly to you and your job....you probably have a job because the owner does what he does.

                        That said if you think its against your ideals then just quit but there is no reason to report it.
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                        • Hot Jerry
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                          • 08-16-13
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by LeahMichele
                          Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
                          - as sad as it is ur already fired - they [ company ] is just waiting for reason to get red of u - ur already consider to be a trouble maker - bad apple !!! Start seriously looking for a new JOB and get out of restaurant industry - with BS u will not have any problems to get a real JOB - Monday to Friday [ 8 to 4 ] and every weekend of with real benefits . Wish u well and do it - ur alredy marked man !!
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                          • greenhippo
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                            • 02-15-12
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                            #14
                            I've ran a few restaurants over the years, in Houston even. You can report to whomever will listen but know for a fact not a thing will be done. These people do not give a rat's ass about hitting up restaurants looking for illegals. If they were they could walk into 100 restaurants within 20 miles of my place and pick up as many as they want.
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                            • bigballa
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 10-18-12
                              • 429

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LeahMichele
                              Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
                              lol i wouldnt bother reporting it but IF you did they couldnt fire you, not sure what the place is called who looks after ppl who have been unfairly dismissed but they would have a field day suing their asses into the ground, so yeah you may lose your job but hell you would get a fat stack.....wouldnt bother though the owner will know and the supervisor you told knows, best thing is to keep a record of shit like when you told this superviosor and what you were told in response by him/her....thats as far as i would go not worth your job, all the best buddy
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                              • rkelly110
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                                • 10-05-09
                                • 39691

                                #16
                                Well, if he's a vindictive fuk, write everything down. If you have dated written documentation in your own hand writing
                                and he decides to can you, you have documentation for a suit. (just don't sign a severance package which will void
                                all your hard work)

                                I'm sure your case, is one of millions around the country. Employers don't have cooth anymore, it's all about the buck.

                                I'd be curious as to what they pay them. Minimum is $7.25. 1/2 of that?
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                                • TheGoldenGoose
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-27-12
                                  • 3745

                                  #17
                                  1) Document everything.
                                  2) Get Fired
                                  3) Write a book
                                  4) Sell the Movie Rights
                                  5) Retire age 40 to Belize.
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                                  • The Kraken
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 12-25-11
                                    • 28918

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                                    Well, if he's a vindictive fuk, write everything down. If you have dated written documentation in your own hand writing
                                    and he decides to can you, you have documentation for a suit. (just don't sign a severance package which will void
                                    all your hard work)

                                    I'm sure your case, is one of millions around the country. Employers don't have cooth anymore, it's all about the buck.

                                    I'd be curious as to what they pay them. Minimum is $7.25. 1/2 of that?
                                    Leahs from WA and minimum wage is north of $9/hr slowly working it's way up to $15/hr over the next 5-7 years.
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                                    • Bosseman22
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 09-30-09
                                      • 286

                                      #19
                                      I work with plenty of illegals, if you know they are illegal you have to report them. But if you don't know you cant ask that's violating there rights. They need work I've seen guys get fired for being illegal. immigration doesn't show up. Usually the government finds them when the social security number comes up for not paying taxes. No one really cares as long as the taxes are paid.
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                                      • grease lightnin
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 10-01-12
                                        • 16015

                                        #20
                                        Guy is posting on a gambling forum that he's scared he'll get in trouble for not reporting an illegal?
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                                        • recon1
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-13-12
                                          • 2579

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by LeahMichele
                                          I want to make it clear, im serious and this is true.

                                          Here is the short version. I have worked for my employer for 11 + years and on my way up the ladder It has become very clear to me that my employer knowingly hires illegals and doesnt comply with the I9 requirements. A few years ago I was told by an illegal alien that she was in fact illegal. She told me the whole story as to how she and her friends snuck in and that is why her daughter is still in Guatamela, she told me it cost her so much to be brought in and she cant afford to bring in her daughter. I reported this to my boss and he told me rather bluntly to STFU and to tell her to STFU about how she got here. I felt I had done what I was required to do and let it go.

                                          Now I am the highest level person in my business, the "boss" in fact. Last week, I was entering all the school parent authorizations and making sure I had all the required child labor paperwork. I came upon a person who now works under me and noticed that I did not have the proper I9 documentation. I was told by my supervisor that there is no I9 documentation and to enter it in our computer database that I did have it. I made it clear that I did not ant to and my supervior put it in that we did have documentation that in fact we dont have.

                                          Now I am really concerned because I feel that if the SHTF here I could be the one to get held responsible since I am now the direct supervisor of this illegal person and I know the person to be illegal. My problem is that I know if I reported this and my supervisor found out, I would be fired. I have seen years of vindictiveness from this person. an excuse to fire me would be found, but at the same time I am quite worried that I am committing a serious crime by knowingly going along with this.

                                          If I were to report, would there be any protections to keep me from facing repercussions ? Or is it just like everything else where the law says its illegal for the employer to get back at you, but if they do, oh well you have to hire an attorney. who can afford to hire an attorney when they dont even have a job anymore ?

                                          Anyways, any advice would be appreciated.
                                          When DHS does not come to pick up a verified MS-13 gang memeber, with whom already has a hold placed on them and detention time expires and you have to release, you think the FEDS are gonna do anything about a person who's simply working a job?

                                          Heard about the MS-13 from somewhere, just don't remember from where.
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                                          • I/O
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                                            • 05-26-11
                                            • 7922

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by thunderous
                                            You do understand that if he doesn't hire illegals then it would be probably extremely tough for him to be profitable and be open for business which relates directly to you and your job....you probably have a job because the owner does what he does.

                                            That said if you think its against your ideals then just quit but there is no reason to report it.
                                            false
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                                            • Boner_18
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                                              • 08-24-08
                                              • 8301

                                              #23
                                              Since you've been elevated to a position of responsibility you should report this to cover your own ass. Document all conversations and start looking for a new job now. By reporting you're protecting yourself, your industry and likely the (exploited) workers. Not to mention your fellow citizens. There are many ways to enter the country legally and by employing undocumented workers your employer is taking advantage of hardworking americans and immigrants who follow the rules. Do the right thing.
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                                              • Boner_18
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                                                • 08-24-08
                                                • 8301

                                                #24
                                                I'm not a law expert in this area but I bet there is whistleblower protection from retaliation.
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                                                • Russian Rocket
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                                                  • 09-02-12
                                                  • 43910

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by recon1

                                                  Heard about the MS-13 from somewhere, just don't remember from where.
                                                  El Salvador...the homeland of posters such as King Mayan and El Nino
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                                                  • newguy
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                                                    • 12-27-09
                                                    • 6100

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by LeahMichele
                                                    Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
                                                    BS in HR and you are really asking this question? Yes you should - its the right thing to do. Yes you will likely get canned, especially if you are in an area where that is pretty common. Yes you would likely need to get a lawyer - luckily most will do consultations for free and you can talk to them before you do anything else. They can't say anything as they are under attorney/client privilege.

                                                    I think we have a few lawyers on these boards - but there are other boards specifically set up for legal advice. Ask your question on there - likely get a much better set of advice.

                                                    I am actually surprised at the answers on here - everyone saying to STFU - shame on you - be proud to live here. If they can't operate a business and follow the laws - then they shouldn't be operating that business!!
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                                                    • teaserpleaser
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                                                      • 08-14-08
                                                      • 26015

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Russian Rocket
                                                      El Salvador...the homeland of posters such as King Mayan and El Nino
                                                      Fukken salvies ms13 gang members
                                                      Would I turn in my company for hiring illegals nope when I was working oil in Texas the firm I was with hired a few ...other than them not speaking English which could be a safety hazard I don't have a problem with it.
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                                                      • Big Bear
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 11-01-11
                                                        • 43253

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by LeahMichele
                                                        Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
                                                        what ethnicity is the owner?

                                                        are you happy working there or is stressful?

                                                        is there any chance your boss might have mafia connections?

                                                        if you are happy and or the owner seems like a tough guy mafia type i would keep your mouth shut.

                                                        but if you hate your job and your boss is a pussy then i guess you could squeal on him to the feds and burn that bridge.
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                                                        • edawg
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                                                          • 07-09-11
                                                          • 2820

                                                          #29
                                                          All depends on if the boss pays and treats them well. Yes then stay and keep quiet. If no you should already be gone!
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                                                          • chipper
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                                                            • 01-07-10
                                                            • 1994

                                                            #30
                                                            Normally I'm all about doing the right thing, but I don't see any way that blowing the whistle could benefit you, your employer or the company you work for.
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                                                            • darrell74
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 04-16-07
                                                              • 14648

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by greenhippo
                                                              I've ran a few restaurants over the years, in Houston even. You can report to whomever will listen but know for a fact not a thing will be done. These people do not give a rat's ass about hitting up restaurants looking for illegals. If they were they could walk into 100 restaurants within 20 miles of my place and pick up as many as they want.

                                                              Truth
                                                              greenhippo got it right

                                                              I just moved from Albuquerque, and I worked at a hotel that got raided by immigration and nothing happened to the management. Top 5 corporate chain too.

                                                              Point is, don't rock the boat on this. If you do get fired, the higher ups will help you get another job. But, you're not getting fired anyways.
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                                                              • Bostongambler
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                                                                • 02-01-08
                                                                • 35581

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by LeahMichele
                                                                Yes I have a BS in Human Resources and Im 34. Im sure I could find another job just not sure I want to get fired over this.
                                                                Do you workout with free weights or universal?
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                                                                • I/O
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                                                                  • 05-26-11
                                                                  • 7922

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Big Bear
                                                                  what ethnicity is the owner?

                                                                  are you happy working there or is stressful?

                                                                  is there any chance your boss might have mafia connections?

                                                                  if you are happy and or the owner seems like a tough guy mafia type i would keep your mouth shut.

                                                                  but if you hate your job and your boss is a pussy then i guess you could squeal on him to the feds and burn that bridge.
                                                                  Jewish Greek
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                                                                  • muldoon
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                                                                    • 01-04-10
                                                                    • 4397

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I'd report him for using all caps except for a preposition.
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                                                                    • jtoler
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                                                                      • 12-17-13
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                                      Do you workout with free weights or universal?
                                                                      I think I get it.
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