So fast food workers want $15 an hour?

[rkelly110]

Brooksy = right about everything. Everyone else = wrong, dumb and or stupid.

[brooks85]

Brooksy = right about everything. Everyone else = wrong, dumb and or stupid.

bingo or else I don't post in the thread. Like any other time I am uneducated on the subject I certainly don't go thinking out loud like some people... I spend time reading, educating myself; not saying or posting nonsense. Try it sometime. You'd be amaze how much less we would but heads since you would be a more intelligent person.

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[brooks85]

Last week the Wendy’s Company did a public service on its second-quarter earnings call by explaining how mandated wage hikes will lead to fewer jobs for the low-skill workers that progressives claim to be helping.



First, CFO Todd Penegor talked about the pressure to pay higher wages and said that “we continue to look at initiatives and how we work to offset any impacts of future wage inflation through technology initiatives, whether that’s customer self-order kiosks, whether that’s automating more in the back of the house in the restaurant. And you’ll see a lot more coming on that front later this year from us.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/11/wendys-explains-what-really-happens-with-a-minimum-wage-rise-job-losses/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

we have a winnnaaaaaaa



It is amazing the things you can learn when you pay attention to the right people.

[Mr KLC]

Last week the Wendy’s Company did a public service on its second-quarter earnings call by explaining how mandated wage hikes will lead to fewer jobs for the low-skill workers that progressives claim to be helping.



First, CFO Todd Penegor talked about the pressure to pay higher wages and said that “we continue to look at initiatives and how we work to offset any impacts of future wage inflation through technology initiatives, whether that’s customer self-order kiosks, whether that’s automating more in the back of the house in the restaurant. And you’ll see a lot more coming on that front later this year from us.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/11/wendys-explains-what-really-happens-with-a-minimum-wage-rise-job-losses/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

we have a winnnaaaaaaa



It is amazing the things you can learn when you pay attention to the right people.

You see why these whiners are in the position that they are in. They can't think past Step 1. They believe the status quo will remain after a drastic change has been made in the hourly rate. They don't think that it can affect their benefits. They don't think that their employers could change the businesses strategy to remain profitable.

Hey you hooligans! The old fashioned way still works. Work your way up the ladder and increase your own personal value, instead of begging your daddys in State Houses and Washington to try and do it for you.

[downsouth]

You would think if they start paying $15/hour they will be able to attract one decent guy that could do the work of at least 2 of the current minimum wage chuckers currently employed. Fastest, busiest and easily most efficient place around me is chic FIL a. Most of there work staff is high school kids working their to get the scholarship they offer when they go to college.

[Can U Tank It]

If a person thinks that legislation has reached the floor based on sympathy for the minimum wage earner or due to their protestations, then you would be wrong. Democrats see it as a win- win; help to further socialize (as in socialism), and raise the tax base. I see it more along the lines of lose-lose-lose.

[rkelly110]

I beg anyone of you guys who are against, at least bringing up minimum wage inline with inflation, to add up all your bills and figure up what minimum per hour you would need to live on and get back to me.

Health insurance alone is around $4 an hour more or less depending on the amount of hours you work and what plan.

Food is around $4 an hour. You have living expenses, insurance, vehicles and gas. Break all that down and you will see why a minimum of $15 is peanuts.

You might argue that a business isn't responsible for their employees bills, true. Business industry and the govt does set the standard for the pay employees receive though.

Lately we've been seeing big corporations (Wal-mart, Target) starting to increase their pay standards. If a full time
employee needs govt assistance to survive, there's something wrong with that picture don't ya think?

Since a huge part of our money goes to supporting those under employed, imagine if employees supported themselves?

[rkelly110]

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[brooks85]

[TheSideBet]

Never thought I'd see the day that high turnover/low skill based jobs would be negotiable regarding compensation. Crazy times we are living in.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Long Beach has decided they will one up Los Angeles by $1 and try to get approval for $16 minimum wage by 2020.

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The middle class will eventually cheer about this as they see 15/hr minimum push up all wages.

And small business owners will be cheering due the increased consumption at the lower end.

A little more money to many people can actually change an economy fast. An extra 100 million to a corporate does almost nothing to change things.

And don't get sucked in by the corporate rhetoric about it causing job losses.

They will automate jobs away at exactly the same speed as they planned to before.

[brooks85]

hard to blame con artist and Hillary Clinton with people like you, Optional, just begging to be manipulated

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hard to blame con artist and Hillary Clinton with people like you, Optional, just begging to be manipulated

Thing is I live in a place with the highest minimum wage in the world and can see the effects with my own eyes. You could too if you open yours and do some more of that research you mentioned at top of this page.

Seriously, I believe a high minimum wage is key to a cohesive society. It's that important and despite all the doom and gloom some predict there is barely a negative thing about it for the wider society.

USA should have the highest wages in the world.

[capone1899]

I beg anyone of you guys who are against, at least bringing up minimum wage inline with inflation, to add up all your bills and figure up what minimum per hour you would need to live on and get back to me.

Health insurance alone is around $4 an hour more or less depending on the amount of hours you work and what plan.

Food is around $4 an hour. You have living expenses, insurance, vehicles and gas. Break all that down and you will see why a minimum of $15 is peanuts.

You might argue that a business isn't responsible for their employees bills, true. Business industry and the govt does set the standard for the pay employees receive though.

Lately we've been seeing big corporations (Wal-mart, Target) starting to increase their pay standards. If a full time
employee needs govt assistance to survive, there's something wrong with that picture don't ya think?

Since a huge part of our money goes to supporting those under employed, imagine if employees supported themselves?

If you work for minimum wage for a living you're a lazy, deadbeat that didn't try to get anywhere in life, so why should anyone care about you?
These employees aren't supporting themselves with higher wages. Its already been proven in Seattle they are just asking for less work hours because the higher wages bumped them out of their government benefits. In other words, they make more on minimum wage + government benefits than they do with the raise increase. The only thing accomplished with this wage hike was to get them less work hours a week. Great job

[rkelly110]

If you work for minimum wage for a living you're a lazy, deadbeat that didn't try to get anywhere in life, so why should anyone care about you?
These employees aren't supporting themselves with higher wages. Its already been proven in Seattle they are just asking for less work hours because the higher wages bumped them out of their government benefits. In other words, they make more on minimum wage + government benefits than they do with the raise increase. The only thing accomplished with this wage hike was to get them less work hours a week. Great job

How did you start out?

I started in a factory making minimum wage. I was mechanically inclined. After a year, I applied for an apprenticeship. Completed a 5 year in 3. Moved up to lead man until they closed.

You can start out at minimum and move up, trouble is in this day and age, that's pretty much all there is
part time minimum wage. If you aren't a total waste, you can move up, but only if you want to.

Personally, if I was Obama, I would've moved the wage up right after being elected. Employers dumped
their work force on the doorstep of the govt in '08. I would've got them back by raising the minimum,
but that's just me, I'm spiteful and would make Trump blush.

[brooks85]

Thing is I live in a place with the highest minimum wage in the world and can see the effects with my own eyes. You could too if you open yours and do some more of that research you mentioned at top of this page.

Seriously, I believe a high minimum wage is key to a cohesive society. It's that important and despite all the doom and gloom some predict there is barely a negative thing about it for the wider society.

USA should have the highest wages in the world.

you sound silly to put it kindly, you live in Australia and your logic is about as flawed as it comes; just as flawed as kraken's evidence for climate change. "Hey it's hot outside to me,"..."Hey this works here so of course it would work there."

I have no doubt you are one of the many uneducated who use Australia as an example of gun control and why everyone else should do it. You clearly have never taken entry statistics or at least paid attention. Do not tell people to do research on things you done 0 research on; childish.

[brooks85]

How did you start out?

I started in a factory making minimum wage. I was mechanically inclined. After a year, I applied for an apprenticeship. Completed a 5 year in 3. Moved up to lead man until they closed.

You can start out at minimum and move up, trouble is in this day and age, that's pretty much all there is
part time minimum wage. If you aren't a total waste, you can move up, but only if you want to.

Personally, if I was Obama, I would've moved the wage up right after being elected. Employers dumped
their work force on the doorstep of the govt in '08. I would've got them back by raising the minimum,
but that's just me, I'm spiteful and would make Trump blush.

100% false as usual, I guess that is your goal?

literally a million+ unfilled jobs right now and that doesn't even count entry level full-time jobs which are out there if you're willing to move. Plus, since you never use a calculator what does 2 part-time jobs equal?

People are lazy in their actions when you expand entitlements, it is the same reason you don't feed deer since you create a bad habit for them, just like you when it comes to actually educating yourself on what you're talking about instead of just being an old, stereotypical fart stunk in his ways.



and for someone who constantly fights for the poor man you said everything that needed to be said; "If you aren't a total waste, you can move up, but only if you want to."


100% agree therefore raising minimum wage is completely irrelevant to lifting people out of poverty. You clearly understand that now so no need for any more nonsense on the subject.

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you sound silly to put it kindly, you live in Australia and your logic is about as flawed as it comes; just as flawed as kraken's evidence for climate change. "Hey it's hot outside to me,"..."Hey this works here so of course it would work there."

I have no doubt you are one of the many uneducated who use Australia as an example of gun control and why everyone else should do it. You clearly have never taken entry statistics or at least paid attention. Do not tell people to do research on things you done 0 research on; childish.

Geez I expected a bit more than attacking the man instead of the ball!

I agree Australia is too small and too insulated by geography to say what works here will work for America... but most of the objections I hear about upping your min wage seem to revolve around do the individuals deserve it. That's just an emotive side issue and not a logical objection.

Every society has a bottom rung. Stop worrying about if your bottom rung are worthy or not and look at the benefits for you an everyone else that can come from all American wage earners making more money.

You're a consumption based economy. The 'every man' consuming spreads the wealth wider and turns over that money many more times than corporations do.

This is such a good thing for YOU personally but you don't seem to see even the slightest chance it might be.

[rkelly110]

100% false as usual, I guess that is your goal?

literally a million+ unfilled jobs right now and that doesn't even count entry level full-time jobs which are out there if you're willing to move. Plus, since you never use a calculator what does 2 part-time jobs equal?

People are lazy in their actions when you expand entitlements, it is the same reason you don't feed deer since you create a bad habit for them, just like you when it comes to actually educating yourself on what you're talking about instead of just being an old, stereotypical fart stunk in his ways.



and for someone who constantly fights for the poor man you said everything that needed to be said; "If you aren't a total waste, you can move up, but only if you want to."


100% agree therefore raising minimum wage is completely irrelevant to lifting people out of poverty. You clearly understand that now so no need for any more nonsense on the subject.

You proved my point in raising minimum wage. If they are working on a wage they can live on, they won't need
govt assistance that you and me pay for. Repubs would rather cut peoples benefits than raising the wage. Cart
before the horse.

What should be the minimum wage be today adjusting for inflation? Without looking, I'll bet at least $11.
I'll be back to give the facts.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42973.pdf Minimum wage adjusted for inflation should be $10.69.

Did you take my challenge a few posts above? Probably not, like most in here, it's too much work.

[brooks85]

If they are working on a wage they can live on, they won't need
govt assistance that you and me pay for. Repubs would rather cut peoples benefits than raising the wage. Cart
before the horse.

What should be the minimum wage be today adjusting for inflation? Without looking, I'll bet at least $11.
I'll be back to give the facts.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42973.pdf Minimum wage adjusted for inflation should be $10.69.

Did you take my challenge a few posts above? Probably not, like most in here, it's too much work.

"You proved my point in raising minimum wage they can live on..."


hmm ok..

"they won't need govt assistance that you and me pay for."


so naive is the nicest way to put it. You need to stop assuming people do the right thing, go study some evolutionary science and anthropology to learn about animals and the laws that govern every animal on this Earth. You're missing some very important fundamentals clearly and you drove that home with this statement; " If they are working on a wage they can live on, they won't need govt assistance that you and me pay for."

That is pure nonsense and only telling you as a favor. That is the kind of logic a kid would say you know? You gotta be smarter than that, come on buddy.

[brooks85]

Geez I expected a bit more than attacking the man instead of the ball!

I agree Australia is too small and too insulated by geography to say what works here will work for America... but most of the objections I hear about upping your min wage seem to revolve around do the individuals deserve it. That's just an emotive side issue and not a logical objection.

Every society has a bottom rung. Stop worrying about if your bottom rung are worthy or not and look at the benefits for you an everyone else that can come from all American wage earners making more money.

You're a consumption based economy. The 'every man' consuming spreads the wealth wider and turns over that money many more times than corporations do.

This is such a good thing for YOU personally but you don't seem to see even the slightest chance it might be.

I'll stick with logic that clearly says no, no it is not. Have fun with your fluffy feelings even though you're not man enough to admit you have no business speaking on any country's economics even your own. I have no doubt I know more about Australia's than you do and the difference I made money off my thoughts because they were correct; just like here when I profit again off stupid sheep thinking a hike in minimum wage is a good thing. Money talks... keep walking buddy, we got plenty of your uneducated type here that made me a pretty coin supporting a couple ponzi schemes; green energy and obamacare. They only difference is I can't profit of your uneducated vote here but I could have clearly counted on it. $$$

[rkelly110]

So, the real fly in the coffee is, you busted your hump getting an education and making good money, but don't
want some non educated peon making $15 an hour handing your happy meal through the drive thru window?

I get that, but the raising of the minimum wage to at least inflation levels would trickle up to you eventually.
You'd like more money right? How about if our debt is lowered? After that, lower taxes. You'd like that? I would.

[brooks85]

So, the real fly in the coffee is, you busted your hump getting an education and making good money, but don't
want some non educated peon making $15 an hour handing your happy meal through the drive thru window?

I get that, but the raising of the minimum wage to at least inflation levels would trickle up to you eventually.
You'd like more money right? How about if our debt is lowered? After that, lower taxes. You'd like that? I would.

wrong , I don't work with robots so I wouldn't benefit in any way installing, maintaining or repairing them once you artificially raise minimum wage. And that doesn't even factor in the millions you just put out of work because of your illogical reasoning for raising minimum wage.

And, of course, I would like our debt lowered but saying it means nothing. Pull out a calculator and you'll know the real answer is debt can not go lower, the amount we pay back will always be more year after year.


You gotta stop thinking in the parameters of what YOU want, that is why you are always saying things that are not true. They sound true to you because you conceived the idea in YOUR head but in reality they make no mathematical or logical sense. The fact you think raising minimum will "trickle up" is just silly, really evident you don't know what you're talking about.

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I'll stick with logic that clearly says no, no it is not. Have fun with your fluffy feelings even though you're not man enough to admit you have no business speaking on any country's economics even your own. I have no doubt I know more about Australia's than you do and the difference I made money off my thoughts because they were correct; just like here when I profit again off stupid sheep thinking a hike in minimum wage is a good thing. Money talks... keep walking buddy, we got plenty of your uneducated type here that made me a pretty coin supporting a couple ponzi schemes; green energy and obamacare. They only difference is I can't profit of your uneducated vote here but I could have clearly counted on it. $$$

Bluster all you like as it's obviously going to happen.

You'll be laughing either way. You'll be happy to be right if it destoys the country (as you're a know-it-all ass) or you'll just pretend you never said all this crap and enjoy the swift benefits you will see it bring. ;-)

[brooks85]

Bluster all you like as it's obviously going to happen.

You'll be laughing either way. You'll be happy to be right if it destoys the country (as you're a know-it-all ass) or you'll just pretend you never said all this crap and enjoy the swift benefits you will see it bring. ;-)

or I'll just bump this comment when millions are out of work and every hamburger cost more, and you can sit there like the uneducated sheep you are and do some mental gymnastics to convince yourself that your opinion is anything more than just that.

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or I'll just bump this comment when millions are out of work and every hamburger cost more, and you can sit there like the uneducated sheep you are and do some mental gymnastics to convince yourself that your opinion is anything more than just that.

LOL.

You may not get this, but a sane person would not cling onto their premise in the face of that sort of evidence


Read back and see if you can find a single statement you have made to logically argue for or against a higher minimum wage?

You're like a raging hormonal teenage girl!! All you can say is I am dumb but can't make a solid point.

Like I said I live in the world of a high minimum wage.... you by contrast are just blowing smoke and stamping your feet.

[brooks85]

LOL.

You may not get this, but a sane person would not cling onto their premise in the face of that sort of evidence


Read back and see if you can find a single statement you have made to logically argue for or against a higher minimum wage?

You're like a raging hormonal teenage girl!! All you can say is I am dumb but can't make a solid point.

Like I said I live in the world of a high minimum wage.... you by contrast are just blowing smoke and stamping your feet.

evidence wtf are you talking about?

driving home over and over logic is not one of your skills, I get it.


"Read back and see if you can find a single statement you have made to logically argue for or against a higher minimum wage?"

then you are truly illiterate.


"Like I said I live in the world of a high minimum wage."

yes and that is all you have said that is true and the finest example to show why you don't know how to use logic or you wouldn't have even made this post.

The middle class will eventually cheer about this as they see 15/hr minimum push up all wages.

And small business owners will be cheering due the increased consumption at the lower end.

A little more money to many people can actually change an economy fast. An extra 100 million to a corporate does almost nothing to change things.

And don't get sucked in by the corporate rhetoric about it causing job losses.

They will automate jobs away at exactly the same speed as they planned to before.

or imply something as stupid as " I love in the world's highest minimum wage therefore it is good." Ok child...

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more blather blather blather, *yawn*.

Be happy Brooksy. I am only saying from my experience I have high confidence your life is going to get better.

And you have no choice but to find out in real time, so you may as well hope for the best too.

[brooks85]

more blather blather blather, *yawn*.

Be happy Brooksy. I am only saying from my experience I have high confidence your life is going to get better.

And you have no choice but to find out in real time, so you may as well hope for the best too.

classic deflection, yes runaway now so your psyche can pretend you were right.

lol you have a "high confidence," yes the high confidence of an educated sheep really is a good sign...

No, I think I'll stick with math.

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BTW, do you really care if your hambuger costs 35 cents extra??

If it means millions of working people can actually live properly on their wage without foodstamp support?

And it means millions of small businesses flourish?

is 35 cents a burger really too much to pay for that in the richest country in the world???

[brooks85]

BTW, do you really care if your hambuger costs 35 cents extra??

If it means millions of working people can actually live properly on their wage without foodstamp support? what about the millions now out of work?

And it means millions of small businesses flourish? wrong, if you had even a basic understanding of the issue you would know small businesses would be destroyed, not an opinion. Simple math.

is 35 cents a burger really too much to pay for that in the richest country in the world???

see why I can call you stupid and not feel bad? Stop being stupid. You and I both know you have done absolutely 0 research on this so you are stupid on the subject. This is not an insult so save the bs character crap.