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Stop.. stop... don't even try to defend the actions of these police because there's no sane logical way you can. They weren't put in any type of position where they had to result to using excessive force. Their hands weren't forced to knock the kid's tooth out. The kid surrendered and the punk cop try to take a cheap shot at him, in which the kid dodged the first one. But after he was on the ground, the punk cop got his hit in. Then another cop comes along after the kid is in handcuffs and hits him in the mouth with his gun. No sane person can defend that unless you have a criminal mind like these so called "protect and serve" officers.
They'll have to explain to the judge why they assaulted the teen. It will probably go something like, "Your Honor, me and my partner are too fat and out of shape from eating donuts all the time and became pissed because we were put in a position to exercise our fatness due to chasing the perp. So I hit the kid in his mouth with my gun to show him how much pain he caused us to make us run. Running is very stressful on my heart because I'm such a fat bastard."Comment -
Well then consider me insane. No one runs from the cops unless they are guilty of something.
Imagine if that kid was selling weed, then the cops caught him and they came around the corner and the kid just stood there and got arrested for selling weed. You think the cops would hit him if he just took his arrest like a man? But no, the punk ass kid had to try and run from the cop, that kid must have something wrong with him that he couldn't outrun a couple of fat, donut eating cops. Probably because his air jordans were untied and his pants were hangin down around his knees...
Kid got what he deserved...and will likely commit suicide since his friends will give him shit because he got caught running from a couple of fat donut eating pigs....What a shame.
You're doing something illegal, when you get caught, take the punishment. 17 tiny bags of weed is probably a few months prison...Kid will likely spend 7+ years in and out of prison in his life anyways...so what's the big deal.Comment -
Oh I see what you did there. You didn't have a real argument so you used my satire and substituted it with your own about a kid with saggy pants and Air Jordans. .....That was pretty weak.
And since you think the kid deserved it, you'll probably like a place called the Middle East. They have plenty of extreme punishments over there. Women can get stoned to death for adultery. Maybe you should think about moving to one of those countries.Comment -
You said I had no argument...That the kid did nothing wrong to put himself in a position to get hit.
The kid ran from police...He doesn't run, he doesn't get hit (most likely). So the kid absolutely put himself in the position.
And I laughed at you saying "well judge we're too out of shape and this kid made us run" and you called them fat donut eating cops. Well those fat donut eating cops somehow caught a 20 year old black kid that took off running. So why in the world would you say that the cops argument would be "we're out of shape and the kid made us run" Seems as if the cops were in shape and didn't like that the kid tried running, putting people in danger. When people are getting arrested and they don't try to get away, don't try to create something more of it, rarely doesn't anything happen. When someone is getting arrested and struggling against or fighting against it, you see alot of shit extra happens.
I don't give a shit about adultery. I don't like when pieces of shit do illegal things, then something bad happens and people bitch and moan and say he was mistreated. Mike Brown robbed a liquor store...Got shot, now is dead. Who fukin cares, another piece of shit off the street. If mike brown doesn't rob a liquor store and doesn't disobey police orders, he's most likely alive today (unless a homeboy shot him, which likely would happen in the next couple years)
If you don't do illegal things, you should have no reason to be afraid, no reason to run from cops the moment you see one. It's pretty simple. I understand most all blacks get fuked with by cops, it must suck, but I wonder if any bad things would happen to them if they just cooperated and didn't start talkin shit and getting loud as soon as it happened...
Saggy pants and untied air jordans are the only reason why a 20 year old black male would be caught by two fat donut eating pigs...I certainly would be able to outrun those fat donut eatin pigs, so I don't see why this young male wouldn't be too. So I of course came to that conclusion, since most black males out at 2am sellin weed probably have saggy pants and air jordans. So I don't see how that is weak at all, probably 100% accurate.Comment -
I don't understand why they are protesting now. An off duty cop shot and killed an 18 year old who fired 3 shots at him first. They found the gun and already said that ballistics showed that he fired it, plus the guy had a court date set for next month from a prior gun felony along with resisting arrest.Comment -
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this is a funny one for the start of the week. We will get back to some more serious assault and even murder videos again later, but for now..
can I get some responses from you brainwashed idiots about this one. I need a good laugh.
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Just caught a piece on the news about a new witness giving the Grand Jury his account of the incident and apparently he had seen the whole thing go down and it corroborated with the Cop. The man said that there was a fight in the police car and the cop had his hat knocked off and a gunshot was fired in the car and then Brown and Johnson ran and the cop yelled for them to stop and Brown turned around and threw his arms out to side with his palms facing upwards and started advancing towards the officer, the officer told him to stop repeatedly but Brown kept coming towards him and he fired the first round of shots and then fired the rest after brown took another step.
I didn't hear if the witness is white or black, or if he lived there. I could have swore they said he was from Ohio.
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Im carving a Michael Brown pumpkin for Halloween. ..Just caught a piece on the news about a new witness giving the Grand Jury his account of the incident and apparently he had seen the whole thing go down and it corroborated with the Cop. The man said that there was a fight in the police car and the cop had his hat knocked off and a gunshot was fired in the car and then Brown and Johnson ran and the cop yelled for them to stop and Brown turned around and threw his arms out to side with his palms facing upwards and started advancing towards the officer, the officer told him to stop repeatedly but Brown kept coming towards him and he fired the first round of shots and then fired the rest after brown took another step.
I didn't hear if the witness is white or black, or if he lived there. I could have swore they said he was from Ohio.
The only thing I've gotten done so far is the hole in the top of the head
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It really is the most plausible scenario when you take into account personalities and the time line of the shots and how people looked on only at the end when the commotion caught their attention. We've all seen the street fights where they wannabe thugs throw up hands to the side saying' what what, whats up' definitely different than Brown sitting legs crossed hands up begging for mercy as he was summarily executed at point blank range after being shot in the back....as Attorney Crump portrayed it but then autopsy and forensics showed otherwise. And the witness on video background saying he saw Brown turn and walk toward the officer.Just caught a piece on the news about a new witness giving the Grand Jury his account of the incident and apparently he had seen the whole thing go down and it corroborated with the Cop. The man said that there was a fight in the police car and the cop had his hat knocked off and a gunshot was fired in the car and then Brown and Johnson ran and the cop yelled for them to stop and Brown turned around and threw his arms out to side with his palms facing upwards and started advancing towards the officer, the officer told him to stop repeatedly but Brown kept coming towards him and he fired the first round of shots and then fired the rest after brown took another step.
I didn't hear if the witness is white or black, or if he lived there. I could have swore they said he was from Ohio.Comment -
just seeing this thread..... to answer the original question, plain and simple, think Sigourney weaver.....:
GORILLAS IN THE MIST!!!!Comment -
What a BS story. Cop will say anything to keep from going to jail and the good ole boys up there probably will do anything to help him out.Just caught a piece on the news about a new witness giving the Grand Jury his account of the incident and apparently he had seen the whole thing go down and it corroborated with the Cop. The man said that there was a fight in the police car and the cop had his hat knocked off and a gunshot was fired in the car and then Brown and Johnson ran and the cop yelled for them to stop and Brown turned around and threw his arms out to side with his palms facing upwards and started advancing towards the officer, the officer told him to stop repeatedly but Brown kept coming towards him and he fired the first round of shots and then fired the rest after brown took another step.
I didn't hear if the witness is white or black, or if he lived there. I could have swore they said he was from Ohio.
Two things I have to say about this BS story: One is about Brown running then changing his actions. The second is about the time used for Wilson to yell at Brown to stop.
1. Why would Brown attack the cop in the car, *run* (implying to escape the cop), then suddenly stop to turn around only to attempt to go after the cop again? Brown is in flight and he's running. What would make him stop his intentions to get away? Saying he wanted round 2 with the cop contradicts his actions of running in the first place. I'll tell you what would make him stop running, a bullet whizzing by his head would.
2. If the cop did yell out to Brown, that means the cop had plenty of time to aim at Brown. If Wilson is telling Brown repeatedly to stop, then Wilson has sufficient amount of time to take a good aim at Brown to take him down. And since cops are trained to shoot, it doesn't seem plausible that Wilson would miss several times even though given plenty of time to aim while telling Brown to stop.
Here's a more believable story, which I posted early in this thread. Wilson and Brown get into a scuffle in the police car. Wilson decides to end the altercation and pulls his weapon. Brown sees this and tries to deflect Wilson's arm. Brown is a little too late and Wilson is able to get a shot off, hitting Brown in his arm. (There's now forensic evidence stating Brown was shot in the arm in Wilson's car and Brown's blood is in his car.) The shot rattles Brown and he takes off running. Wilson gets out of the car and in the heat of his anger from the fight, fires his weapon at Brown. Brown stops running and tries to surrender but is killed instead. Like I said, what would make Brown stop running, a cop telling him to stop running or a bullet flying by his head accompanied with the sound of the gun going off?Comment -
I don't think this new witness is a cop. It has been stated that he was a black man that was in the area. He must have been close to the action since he was the only witness that mentioned the Police Officer's hat being knocked off during the fight in the car. The question is why were they fighting inside of the Police vehicle? And as you also said, Brown's blood was found in the car as well as on the gun, so he was definitely partly in the vehicle.Comment -
The animal ran after thinking he had disabled the cop after attacking him in the police car.
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Very easy to see how. The entire incident took place on less than a minute or so. Soon as Brown shoved the car door closed and fight ensued and the initial shots went off at close range inside the vehicle....Brown's reaction to the loud bang was to run, officer exited vehicle as trained to do and yelled to stop...probably nervous and shaken fired and missed....even the witness in that one video said he saw the officer firing or 'dumping on him' and missed and Brown stopped and turned around to run back to him...plausible if Brown realized cop had fired but missed, time to close ground and take weapon away...on the return move Wilson hits his mark and dropped Brown...goes along with the autopsy of the bullets hitting him in the front...also the abrasions on hands from falling forward as if walking and headshot and momentum carried him through. So yes...very easy to see that occurring.Comment -
first off, good thread guys.
IF someone attacks a police officer in the close quarters of their squad car then they are responsible
for whatever comes next for them. The scuffle inside the car changes my opinion a lot on things.
Only thing I will say in Browns defense is something I have always thought about the police,
and that being how there is overkill at times.
Shots to the lower extremity to drop a suspect from the distance Brown was to the officer before
raising the gun up to shoot for fatal marks only takes a fraction of a second. I know the cop is in the heat of
the moment, but they really do abuse the right (at times) when it comes to lethal force.
Now if it was a female cop id understand a bit more, things could get real shitty for them fast.
I dont think this officer should be charged, but I do think if you asked the officer who killed Brown (confidentially)
he would say that he was a bit reckless in those final moments.
Could be wrong, but thats how I feel....
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Agree with you 110%first off, good thread guys.
IF someone attacks a police officer in the close quarters of their squad car then they are responsible
for whatever comes next for them. The scuffle inside the car changes my opinion a lot on things.
Only thing I will say in Browns defense is something I have always thought about the police,
and that being how there is overkill at times.
Shots to the lower extremity to drop a suspect from the distance Brown was to the officer before
raising the gun up to shoot for fatal marks only takes a fraction of a second. I know the cop is in the heat of
the moment, but they really do abuse the right (at times) when it comes to lethal force.
Now if it was a female cop id understand a bit more, things could get real shitty for them fast.
I dont think this officer should be charged, but I do think if you asked the officer who killed Brown (confidentially)
he would say that he was a bit reckless in those final moments. Could be wrong, but thats how I feel
I think being a cop really fukks with your head having to deal with the same shit everyday in these high crime areas and some of them just can't handle it.Comment -
Its all a mixed bag...absolutely some have a short fuse. On the other hand....think of the restraint the vast huge majority of law enforcement shows on a daily basis....sure we hear about the hand full of overkill acts but the missed part of the argument is the tens of thousands of daily interactions of hands on detaining and chasing and fighting with the asssholes that roam our streets in America.Comment -
posting this here for the fukk of it
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I wasn't saying the witness is a cop. What I was implying is, it sounds like something the cop would say to keep from going to jail. It seems like a fabricated story because suddenly the good ole boys "found" a witness that says exactly what they think would keep Wilson from going to jail. It reminds me of that whole orbital blowout socket business.
And yes, Brown's blood was found inside the car. Two shots were fired in the car, with one of them hitting Brown in the arm.
As for why they were fighting in the car? I don't know. It doesn't really matter in the case of Brown being killed many feet away from the car with a considerable distance between him and Wilson.Comment -
Just for clarity here. Are you saying that because there was some matter of feet between the two that if there had been a fight where brown had punched and scratched the officer at the car, showing the fact that he would attack him...and if Brown was indeed coming back toward the officer to reengage him and not on the ground complaint to commands...does that justify the shooting or make it murder?Comment -
What normal person would engage a cop in his car, get shot, walk away and then come back at the cop with a gun,
unless he's on something? Drugs make people do shit they would not normally do.Comment -
That's close to what I was saying up until the reason you gave for Brown turning around. I don't believe that Brown believed he was invincible and could close the distance in on Wilson and take his weapon away from him. If he did try to do it at Wilson's vehicle he had already failed once. So why would he try again at a much greater distance? If a person is being fired at by their enemy, that person if unarmed will naturally run and take cover. However, if the person is being fired at by someone that is not their enemy, i.e. someone who upholds the law, they'll probably stop in a manner to surrender with the belief the cop will merely arrest them instead of shooting to kill.Comment -
Already verified he at least had them in his system (not saying it directly influenced him but facts are facts) and 'kid' was a big dude who threw his weight around (reference video of strong armed robbery minutes prior) and had a sizable difference in stature to the 'white boy cop' so those have to be considered.
I don't think he just walked away and then decided to come back for the hell of it....the initial shot in the arm probably freaked him out but in the heat of a fight....adrenaline and a through and through gunshot especially small caliber....wasn't immediately a painful debilitating wound. Once he fled but then realized he still wasn't done...I can see how he'd try and turn the tables. And it's up in the air as to his exact frame of mind and knowledge of fighting of course, but in a scenario where a gun is pulled if you see an opportunity during reload or when the weapon is just coming out...you do close ground not retreat. Sam goes for law enforcement/military with handguns (not rifles) if someone reaches for your sidearm holstered your first move is to grab the arm and hold them close, not to push away where they could pull it with them. Its a basic 'battle drill' in combatives classes.Comment -
In your scenario, he's coming back to fight the cop? Attack him with his fists? I don't think that's what happened but to try and answer your question, Wilson could have used mace since Brown was already hit once. Wilson could have got back in his vehicle and called for back up. ....Shooting not justified. If Brown had a weapon, the shooting is justified.
I've seen a cop in my local grocery store mace a guy that was just as physically fit and built as the cop was, maybe even more. The man was ready to fight the cop. But after the man didn't comply with the cops orders, the cop sprays the man, tackles him to the ground and arrests him.
But like I said, I don't think Brown was coming back for round 2 because that contradicts him running in the first place. I don't think Brown was going back to disarm Wilson. Since Wilson has said (which I don't believe) Brown tried to take his gun at the car, that means Brown already failed once and paid the price. Why would he try again at a much greater distance?Comment -
It depends. Like why would you accept that someone would attack a cop in their car in the first place(knowing that they were already in trouble over a robbery 10 minutes prior) but not believe that they would not say "Fukk it" and go back for the finish?
I am not saying that is what did happen, but it's really not a stretch considering the felony already happened(not counting the robbery minutes before) bringing the young mind-state of Michael brown to the point of making the ultimate choice.Last edited by Kermit; 10-21-14, 12:46 AM.Comment -
Simple, because you have a much greater chance to disarm the cop in close proximity and with him sitting down. Never followed this case on tv or social media only here so I dont know the ins and outs of what happened and I dont think anyone really does as far as what went on in the car except Brown and cop and maybe Brown's accomplice, I think its crazy to go for a cop's gun, but if I was gonna do it, it'd be in close proximity and preferably while in a vehicle.Comment -
I don't believe it because like I said before, it contradicts him running in the first place.
And go back to finish Wilson? Wilson was not in a state to be finish, he gained the upper hand not Brown. Brown was the one in the state of almost being finished, seeing how he was the one shot in the car. If anything it would be Wilson doing the finishing since it appears Wilson won the fight. Oh right, he did finish Brown.
I don't know why they fought at the car. I don't know how serious the fight was and I don't know who initiated it. But what I can say is, I don't think Brown went for the cop's gun. I think Wilson pulled his own gun to end the altercation.Comment -
That scenario seems the most plausible, besides black males have been killed by the cops for far less, but yeah I can see an altercation in the car and the cop looking to get the upper hand pulls his gun, Brown going for gun /or not after he sees cop is reaching for it, gun goes off striking Brown, Brown decides to leave car after being shot and he sees he's out manned, the cop yells freeze, Brown runs with hands up, cop unloads, funny some want to make Brown's size and fists to be superior or seem to neutralize the fact the cop has a gun.Last edited by jtoler; 10-21-14, 04:02 AM.Comment
