GOD

[brainfreeze]

There's no "by much" - he didn't even win the right to represent a party.

How does that make your point the same?

Your original point was that a "governor" said it.

You tried to give credence to your point by saying "this guy was a governor..."

You've been duped...I know, it's shocking.

I've been duped ? Are you joking ? ...this is why I don't deal with you, no, my statement doesn't hinge on if he was gov. or not ... These are facts, what was stated...

The Clinton Administration had close to a dozen Commission members, including Clinton himself; both Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush had consulted the think tank.[29][broken citation] Addressing this and other claims proffered by traditional media, far-left and far-right academics, and many conspiracy theorists, in Rockefeller's 2002 autobiography "Memoirs" he wrote: "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Abigail Aldrich "Abby" Rockefeller (born 1943) Economist and feminist; The eldest and most rebellious daughter, she was drawn to Marxism and was an ardent admirer of Fidel Castro and a late 1960s/early 1970s radical feminist[39] who belonged to the organization Female Liberation, later forming a splinter group called Cell 16.[40] An environmentalist and ecologist, she was an active supporter of the women's liberation movement.

Rockefellers supported ... FACT, go follow the money, if you don't believe... You like to argue peanuts as steak hits the floor. That makes tons of sense, I'd assume to you...

[brainfreeze]

I don't care who started the notion, or why; I only care that it's the right thing to do, in that all people deserve the same rights regardless of genetic makeup.

Yet again, I don't care who says stuff: if it makes no sense and has no proof, it's rubbish. That's certainly a better example of thinking outside the box then "this one ancient book tells me everything I need to know and is never wrong even when it is 'cause that I've decided to rationalize that stuff as just a metaphor"

Whatever... Give your nephews, nieces, and children to the " machine ". Your choice... Even if you don't care to acknowledge the facts... All of this is personal choice... I'm against it, usually anything they're for, I'm against.... Nothing new there.

[brainfreeze]

“Do not waste time bothering whether you “love” your neighbor; act as if you did.As soon as we do this we find one of the great secrets. When you are behaving as if you loved someone you will presently come to love him.”

-C.S. Lewis

[Triple_D_Bet]

I've been duped ? Are you joking ? ...this is why I don't deal with you, no, my statement doesn't hinge on if he was gov. or not ... These are facts, what was stated...

The Clinton Administration had close to a dozen Commission members, including Clinton himself; both Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush had consulted the think tank.[29][broken citation] Addressing this and other claims proffered by traditional media, far-left and far-right academics, and many conspiracy theorists, in Rockefeller's 2002 autobiography "Memoirs" he wrote: "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Abigail Aldrich "Abby" Rockefeller (born 1943) Economist and feminist; The eldest and most rebellious daughter, she was drawn to Marxism and was an ardent admirer of Fidel Castro and a late 1960s/early 1970s radical feminist[39] who belonged to the organization Female Liberation, later forming a splinter group called Cell 16.[40] An environmentalist and ecologist, she was an active supporter of the women's liberation movement.

Rockefellers supported ... FACT, go follow the money, if you don't believe... You like to argue peanuts as steak hits the floor. That makes tons of sense, I'd assume to you...

FACT: embracing a mindset that discourages rational thinking is likely to lead to further lapses in judgement, such as assuming everything someone rich wants to do is a conspiracy if it doesn't agree with your views, instead of realizing ideas are either good or bad regardless of who happens to speak them.

Whatever... Give your nephews, nieces, and children to the " machine ". Your choice... Even if you don't care to acknowledge the facts... All of this is personal choice... I'm against it, usually anything they're for, I'm against.... Nothing new there.

I haven't met a fact I refuse to acknowledge, but you haven't presented many; just a few facts followed by conclusions you've jump to, with no logical connection. An unthinking mindset such as the one you've embraced can hardly be hoped to inspire anything deeper than the false dichotomies you insist upon. I'll teach my loved ones to think for themselves and think well and watch them do mental laps around people who fear "the machine", but turn their education over to another machine simply because they think that's what their sky dad wants

Might sound a bit harsh, but this is reality....tolerance of people's right to believe is one thing, but tolerance of poor thinking, calling unfounded speculation "facts", etc. isn't something that should be tolerated in kids, let alone adults. It doesn't sound like you value critical thinking, as you prefer what someone told you god thought was best for you a couple thousand years ago...but that's what I and several others in this thread value. Thankfully we have reality on our side, but given the seeming predisposition for humans to choose ignorance and bliss over knowledge and responsibility, I don't know if being provably right will be enough

[Triple_D_Bet]

“Do not waste time bothering whether you “love” your neighbor; act as if you did.As soon as we do this we find one of the great secrets. When you are behaving as if you loved someone you will presently come to love him.”

-C.S. Lewis

"Don't bother evaluating whether or not something is true; simply behave as if it is, and you will presently come to believe it is" - C.S. Lewis (paraphrased)

[brainfreeze]

FACT: embracing a mindset that discourages rational thinking is likely to lead to further lapses in judgement, such as assuming everything someone rich wants to do is a conspiracy if it doesn't agree with your views, instead of realizing ideas are either good or bad regardless of who happens to speak them.



I haven't met a fact I refuse to acknowledge, but you haven't presented many; just a few facts followed by conclusions you've jump to, with no logical connection. An unthinking mindset such as the one you've embraced can hardly be hoped to inspire anything deeper than the false dichotomies you insist upon. I'll teach my loved ones to think for themselves and think well and watch them do mental laps around people who fear "the machine", but turn their education over to another machine simply because they think that's what their sky dad wants

Might sound a bit harsh, but this is reality....tolerance of people's right to believe is one thing, but tolerance of poor thinking, calling unfounded speculation "facts", etc. isn't something that should be tolerated in kids, let alone adults. It doesn't sound like you value critical thinking, as you prefer what someone told you god thought was best for you a couple thousand years ago...but that's what I and several others in this thread value. Thankfully we have reality on our side, but given the seeming predisposition for humans to choose ignorance and bliss over knowledge and responsibility, I don't know if being provably right will be enough

No sense, of going on and on... Just wasting time now, you agree with the " collective " so be it. I think your portraying a poor thinker at the moment, and this is not speculation, I've named names, I've given you the articles and the facts, but this is all " a figment of imagination " as you put it tripper. I don't value critical thinking ? Fine, believe what you want bud, I'm just another guy, never claimed to be anything more. I guess everything you learned here, will go out of the window as your evolution will as well for me. Yes, the money, universities, media, and masses will be on your side... You have reality on your side tripper, just forget it bud, this is all a dream, even this conversation ...

[Triple_D_Bet]

No sense, of going on and on... Just wasting time now, you agree with the " collective " so be it. I think your portraying a poor thinker at the moment, and this is not speculation, I've named names, I've given you the articles and the facts, but this is all " a figment of imagination " as you put it tripper. I don't value critical thinking ? Fine, believe what you want bud, I'm just another guy, never claimed to be anything more. I guess everything you learned here, will go out of the window as your evolution will as well for me. Yes, the money, universities, media, and masses will be on your side... You have reality on your side tripper, just forget it bud, this is all a dream, even this conversation ...

Doesn't seem to be much sense in continuing, no...not when you keep insisting your information is proof by virtue of the fact you believe it alone. I'm not saying you don't value critical thinking as a way of insulting you; I'm saying it because your discussion here shows it.

This conversation was real, as is your tendency to exaggerate and dismiss facts while admitting you haven't read them, and your tendency to insist your subjective experiences are objective truths, or my tendency to keep showing evidence to someone who has stated they have no interest in looking at it. No insult intended there if you can believe it freezer, just calling a spade a spade.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Ok number 1, the man is head of the house, that's just the way it is... When one goes to work how many bosses do they have 1 ... The man makes final decisions for his family, " old way of thinking I guess " but it builds a strong healthy family. It's been going on for ages and works very well... Guess your one who supports Hillary

So many things wrong with this paragraph freezer. In my opinion, your answer amounts to "thats just the way things are."

number 2, slavery has been going on for ages, it didn't just pop up for black folks, remember Moses ? " let my people go ! " yea, that goes for even Gods chosen... Slavery has been part of life since sin itself, it's bondage just like sin...

Why does the length of time slavery has been around make it any more justifiable? Just because it existed prior to the invention of god doesn't mean it isn't unequivocally wrong and should not be condoned.

number 3, seems cruel but if we were there to witness what they witnessed, I'm sure we'd feel the same way, mind you that comes from the Old Testament, where flesh wars ran rampant... They were calling to God for justice, that they seen their children raped and murdered, and wanted the same to go for their offspring, that they could feel the hurt and pain that YAHWEH fearing people felt... Put yourself back in time and read it again, understanding what they were going through...

Just because you, I and many others may or may not relate to this doesn't mean it isn't wrong. While I will happily admit I am not particularly well read biblically, I just don't think these are the kind of messages that any organization who purports themselves as a moral compass in a world lost in sin should be propagating.

On a side note, I am not an American citizen and couldn't vote for Hilary if I wanted to. Not really sure who I would vote for. The fact that you think voting for a woman is wrong is somewhat troubling though. Is this not the same line of thinking that explicitly labels Women second class citizens in Islamic societies?

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

If that's what you want to go with, ok... I'd recommend he get out of those books and go live a little. I'm not talking a plane ride to another country, 1st class either... Start at the bottom with real people and real problems, the pain that floods the streets, maybe some experience would do him good.

I apologize for that remark. While I disagree with you on certain subjects I respect the poise you maintain that many of us on the other side can lack at times.

I blame this mostly on alcohol and the fact that many of us get riled up about our own beliefs (or lack thereof).

[brainfreeze]

On a side note, I am not an American citizen and couldn't vote for Hilary if I wanted to. Not really sure who I would vote for. The fact that you think voting for a woman is wrong is somewhat troubling though. Is this not the same line of thinking that explicitly labels Women second class citizens in Islamic societies?

The Queen is the Center of Life


"BUT the female mind has demonstrated a capacity for all the mental acquirements and achievements of men, and as generations ensue that capacity will be expanded; the average woman will be as well educated as the average man, and then better educated, for the dormant faculties of her brain will be stimulated to an activity that will be all the more intense and powerful because of centuries of repose. Woman will ignore precedent and startle civilization with their progress.

"The acquisition of new fields of endeavor by women, their gradual usurpation of leadership, will dull and finally dissipate feminine sensibilities, will choke the maternal instinct, so that marriage and motherhood may become abhorrent and human civilization draw closer and closer to the perfect civilization of the bee."


The significance of this lies in the principle dominating the economy of the bee--the most highly organized and intelligently coordinated system of any form of nonrational animal life--the all-governing supremacy of the instinct for immortality which makes divinity out of motherhood.


The center of all bee life is the queen. She dominates the hive, not through hereditary right, for any egg may be hatched into a reigning queen, but because she is the womb of this insect race.

-Nicola Tesla

[brainfreeze]

I apologize for that remark. While I disagree with you on certain subjects I respect the poise you maintain that many of us on the other side can lack at times.

I blame this mostly on alcohol and the fact that many of us get riled up about our own beliefs (or lack thereof).

I can respect this...and thank you for the comment.

[brainfreeze]

Doesn't seem to be much sense in continuing, no...not when you keep insisting your information is proof by virtue of the fact you believe it alone. I'm not saying you don't value critical thinking as a way of insulting you; I'm saying it because your discussion here shows it.

This conversation was real, as is your tendency to exaggerate and dismiss facts while admitting you haven't read them, and your tendency to insist your subjective experiences are objective truths, or my tendency to keep showing evidence to someone who has stated they have no interest in looking at it. No insult intended there if you can believe it freezer, just calling a spade a spade.

So because I don't want to waste anymore time talking about macro evolution " your evidence ", I'm dumb... Go talk it over with Kent Hovind, he's a biologist, I'm not.. I believe what he says to be true, along with Ken Ham, so if you just want to call me a spade, dumb, idiot, no ability to think, have at it bud, the thread is full of it, and how is it that I've shown you plenty others that have went through similar experiences, yet mine are still subjective ? I've shown you plenty of facts that you just brush off, all you have is macro evolution, thats debated all the time, and there's plenty of holes in the story, including buried bones ...

http://www.creationmoments.com/resources/blog/201210/dinosaur-bones-buried-evolutionists

but I'm not going to call you dumb, or ignorant, gullible, none of that... I'm just going to say you aren't thinking clearly with unbiased eyes, your minds made up... Shrugs, that fine...

[brainfreeze]

We Can Only Sit and Wonder

THERE are the vast, desexualized armies of workers whose sole aim and happiness in life is hard work. It is the perfection of communism, of socialized, cooperative life wherein all things, including the young, are the property and concern of all.

Then there are the virgin bees, the princess bees, the females which are selected from the eggs of the queen when they are hatched and preserved in case an unfruitful queen should bring disappointment to the hive. And there are the male bees, few in number, unclean of habit, tolerated only because they are necessary to mate with the queen.


When the time is ripe for the queen to take her nuptial flight the male bees are drilled and regimented. The queen passes the drones which guard the gate of the hive, and the male bees follow her in rustling array. Strongest of all the inhabitants of the hive, more powerful than any of her subjects, the queen launches into the air, spiraling upward and upward, the male bees following. Some of the pursuers weaken and fail, drop out of the nuptial chase, but the queen wings higher and higher until a point is reached in the far ether where but one of the male bees remains. By the inflexible law of natural selection he is the strongest, and he mates with the queen. At the moment of marriage his body splits asunder and he perishes.


The queen returns to the hive, impregnated, carrying with her tens of thousands of eggs--a future city of bees, and then begins the cycle of reproduction, the concentration of the teeming life of the hive in unceasing work for the birth of a new generation.


Imagination falters at the prospect of human analogy to this mysterious and superbly dedicated civilization of the bee; but when we consider how the human instinct for race perpetuation dominates life in its normal and exaggerated and perverse manifestations, there is ironic justice in the possibility that this instinct, with the continuing intellectual advance of women, may be finally expressed after the manner of the bee, though it will take centuries to break down the habits and customs of peoples that bar the way to such a simiply and scientifically ordered civilization.


We have seen a beginning of this in the United States. In Wisconsin the sterilization of confirmed criminals and pre-marriage examination of males is required by law, while the doctrine of eugenics is now boldly preached where a few decades ago its advocacy was a statutory offense.


Old men have dreamed dreams and young men have seen visions from the beginning of time. We of today can only sit and wonder when a scientist has his say.


-Nikola Tesla

[Triple_D_Bet]

The Queen is the Center of Life


"BUT the female mind has demonstrated a capacity for all the mental acquirements and achievements of men, and as generations ensue that capacity will be expanded; the average woman will be as well educated as the average man, and then better educated, for the dormant faculties of her brain will be stimulated to an activity that will be all the more intense and powerful because of centuries of repose. Woman will ignore precedent and startle civilization with their progress.

"The acquisition of new fields of endeavor by women, their gradual usurpation of leadership, will dull and finally dissipate feminine sensibilities, will choke the maternal instinct, so that marriage and motherhood may become abhorrent and human civilization draw closer and closer to the perfect civilization of the bee."


The significance of this lies in the principle dominating the economy of the bee--the most highly organized and intelligently coordinated system of any form of nonrational animal life--the all-governing supremacy of the instinct for immortality which makes divinity out of motherhood.


The center of all bee life is the queen. She dominates the hive, not through hereditary right, for any egg may be hatched into a reigning queen, but because she is the womb of this insect race.

-Nicola Tesla

Tesla's opinion =/= facts
Bees =/= humans

So because I don't want to waste anymore time talking about macro evolution " your evidence ", I'm dumb... Go talk it over with Kent Hovind, he's a biologist, I'm not.. I believe what he says to be true, along with Ken Ham, so if you just want to call me a spade, dumb, idiot, no ability to think, have at it bud, the thread is full of it, and how is it that I've shown you plenty others that have went through similar experiences, yet mine are still subjective ? I've shown you plenty of facts that you just brush off, all you have is macro evolution, thats debated all the time, and there's plenty of holes in the story, including buried bones ...

http://www.creationmoments.com/resources/blog/201210/dinosaur-bones-buried-evolutionists

but I'm not going to call you dumb, or ignorant, gullible, none of that... I'm just going to say you aren't thinking clearly with unbiased eyes, your minds made up... Shrugs, that fine...

I'm not calling you dumb freezer, but you're definitely not listening to me...no matter how many times I explain to you that it doesn't matter how many people have a subjective experience or opinion, it doesn't make it a fact...you simply reply with yet another person's unfounded opinion. You post link after link, each with no more hard evidence than the first, and act as if the volume of opinion makes up for the lack of objective evidence. You don't have to be a biologist or a cult leader like Ham to view the irrefutable evidence. It would be a different story if you viewed the evidence and argued against it with rational reasoning; but you simply refuse to even look at the proof, and simple dismiss it out of hand....there's nothing else to call that but willfully ignorant.

Your link here seems to contradict the common young-earth claims that radiometric dating is a lie, but here we are using abnormal results as evidence that bones are younger than commonly accepted, yet older than the earth is ever purported to be by creationists? As with evolution in general, the lack of understanding behind the science leads these people to false conclusions, and they're quick to yell "conspiracy", presumably because it's easier to find a few examples of what science doesn't understand yet and ignore the overwhelming evidence supporting what we do understand...the tendency for confirmation biases is sadly a powerful thing. But I'm guessing you didn't read that link either

For the plenty of "facts", can you repost even one that proves anything supernatural please? I don't remember you ever doing so, just a bunch of people attributing their feelings to demons, quotes from CS Lewis about his opinions, and other people sharing their opinions with zero proof. Quantity ain't quality freezer, and no matter how many times you refuse to accept it, the scientific explanations for why so many people believe this stuff remains proven.

[raydog]

i feel like i can see the future when my knee hurts... i know its going to rain

what i learned over the last 2 days from this thread = kesha is the new singing satanist.. who knew

[brainfreeze]

Tesla's opinion =/= facts
Bees =/= humans



I'm not calling you dumb freezer, but you're definitely not listening to me...no matter how many times I explain to you that it doesn't matter how many people have a subjective experience or opinion, it doesn't make it a fact...you simply reply with yet another person's unfounded opinion. You post link after link, each with no more hard evidence than the first, and act as if the volume of opinion makes up for the lack of objective evidence. You don't have to be a biologist or a cult leader like Ham to view the irrefutable evidence. It would be a different story if you viewed the evidence and argued against it with rational reasoning; but you simply refuse to even look at the proof, and simple dismiss it out of hand....there's nothing else to call that but willfully ignorant.

Your link here seems to contradict the common young-earth claims that radiometric dating is a lie, but here we are using abnormal results as evidence that bones are younger than commonly accepted, yet older than the earth is ever purported to be by creationists? As with evolution in general, the lack of understanding behind the science leads these people to false conclusions, and they're quick to yell "conspiracy", presumably because it's easier to find a few examples of what science doesn't understand yet and ignore the overwhelming evidence supporting what we do understand...the tendency for confirmation biases is sadly a powerful thing. But I'm guessing you didn't read that link either

For the plenty of "facts", can you repost even one that proves anything supernatural please? I don't remember you ever doing so, just a bunch of people attributing their feelings to demons, quotes from CS Lewis about his opinions, and other people sharing their opinions with zero proof. Quantity ain't quality freezer, and no matter how many times you refuse to accept it, the scientific explanations for why so many people believe this stuff remains proven.

Let's move on, to something of more interest, that would refute the ape ancestor to human possibility... The Bible tells us " and there were giants in those days ". All over the world we have bones that are giant human bones which the DNA has been tested and verified that they are human, we just don't have the actual bones anymore for " some reason ". Why ? I wonder if it goes against the core beliefs of you atheist and would blow the theory right out of the water. Just go to the library of congress, type in the search " human giants " and watch the thousands of articles that come up, some from prestigious company's like the " New York Times " . Showing that there were bones found by different individuals and smithsonian comes down takes over and then vamoose, the bones are either lost, they say they don't have them, or some other crazy excuse. There's things that happen tripper that we just do not understand, and if it wasn't for the Bible we never would.
http://greaterancestors.com/kmoxvill...nt-with-horns/, though the subject seems taboo, if you even talk about this stuff, your looked at as nuts, yet they hold no explanation. In the link, shows you a newspaper clip of what a man found to be a giant with horns, under a picture though it is NOT what he found, just something similar ...

We can't explain it away, along with the pyramids, or even the stones in Baalbek ISRAEL. We can't understand why there are hundreds of cities under water, or why in most countries there's a story of a great flood ? Go look this up, all facts... and they all correlate with the Bible, even Baalbek it's in 1st kings... Now for tesla, this guy has made things, more then anyone has and that we STILL use today and will use for time to come. He also predicted " wireless " transmissions from more devices then radio. This is just one more prediction, that seems to be coming to past, you say " it's just opinion " but I don't know how you can say that, and look at today and not realize that's exactly what's coming down the pike... Mind you, he said this BEFORE women's lib, I guess his predictions just mean nothing to you, just as everything I've stated here..

[raydog]

We can't explain it away, along with the pyramids, or even the stones in Baalbek ISRAEL. We can't understand why there are hundreds of cities under water, or why in most countries there's a story of a great flood ? Go look this up, all facts... and they all correlate with the Bible, even Baalbek it's in 1st kings... Now for tesla, this guy has made things, more then anyone has and that we STILL use today and will use for time to come. He also predicted " wireless " transmissions from more devices then radio. This is just one more prediction, that seems to be coming to past, you say " it's just opinion " but I don't know how you can say that, and look at today and not realize that's exactly what's coming down the pike... Mind you, he said this BEFORE women's lib, I guess his predictions just mean nothing to you, just as everything I've stated here..

[brainfreeze]

Never said anything about aliens, not one sentence did I relate anything to aliens, but here you are talking about them. Just shows some will refuse to take things seriously, just as they refuse to take God seriously. The oldest civilization that we know is the Sumerians, they talk about giants, some cultures worshipped giants, but the Sumerians believed they came from something they called the annunki, which I believe to be fallen angels, not aliens, so instead of just believing we came from ape ancestors ... Follow some history please...

[Triple_D_Bet]

Let's move on, to something of more interest, that would refute the ape ancestor to human possibility... The Bible tells us " and there were giants in those days ". All over the world we have bones that are giant human bones which the DNA has been tested and verified that they are human, we just don't have the actual bones anymore for " some reason ". Why ? I wonder if it goes against the core beliefs of you atheist and would blow the theory right out of the water. Just go to the library of congress, type in the search " human giants " and watch the thousands of articles that come up, some from prestigious company's like the " New York Times " . Showing that there were bones found by different individuals and smithsonian comes down takes over and then vamoose, the bones are either lost, they say they don't have them, or some other crazy excuse. There's things that happen tripper that we just do not understand, and if it wasn't for the Bible we never would.
http://greaterancestors.com/kmoxvill...nt-with-horns/, though the subject seems taboo, if you even talk about this stuff, your looked at as nuts, yet they hold no explanation. In the link, shows you a newspaper clip of what a man found to be a giant with horns, under a picture though it is NOT what he found, just something similar ...

We can't explain it away, along with the pyramids, or even the stones in Baalbek ISRAEL. We can't understand why there are hundreds of cities under water, or why in most countries there's a story of a great flood ? Go look this up, all facts... and they all correlate with the Bible, even Baalbek it's in 1st kings... Now for tesla, this guy has made things, more then anyone has and that we STILL use today and will use for time to come. He also predicted " wireless " transmissions from more devices then radio. This is just one more prediction, that seems to be coming to past, you say " it's just opinion " but I don't know how you can say that, and look at today and not realize that's exactly what's coming down the pike... Mind you, he said this BEFORE women's lib, I guess his predictions just mean nothing to you, just as everything I've stated here..

We can move on if you like, but I don't expect the same process to yield different results!

There certainly have been numerous claims of giant remains throughout the years...oddly enough, when you look at the dates they'e made, they drop off pretty sharply as we developed technology to more easily and definitively expose fakes (such as your linked finds being almost 100 years ago). So we have to once again ask ourselves: were giants/horned humans real, contradicting the countless other evidence, necessitating a massive conspiracy from which no evidence can escape? Or is it more likely that it's simply human nature, with con men exploiting the fables of men and fabricating them to make a quick buck? Mostly rhetorical question there, doesn't take much to realize which one is infinitely more likely...

Once again, there are plenty of explanations for how the pyramids were humanly possible. No clue on what stones you're referring to, and I doubt there's much scientific doubt for why regions are flooded. Interesting you should mention the persistence of flood myths across cultures, when most evidence points to the story of Noah being borrowed heavily from Sumerian flood myth Mesopotamian myth, itself borrowed from Sumerian myth preceding Genesis by 10,000+ years (older then Ken Ham believes the Earth to be ).

So lemme get this straight: a smart inventor in the early days of wireless technology "prophesied" that it would someday be used more widely? And 100 years later, it turns out he was right?? How on earth could he have known that people would continue to improve upon the invention?!?!?

Funny thing about prophesies: people's tendency to believe they've come to pass is yet another application of confirmation bias. Someone says a bunch of stuff during their lifetime, and when some of it comes to pass (either directly or it could be loosely interpreted as happening), people frantically integrate it into their existing beliefs and hold it up as "proof", conveniently disregarding the rest of what that person said which didn't come true. The same thing happens right here, with guys running around touting their wins and not mentioning their losses...crazy how people can realize the one when it applies to gamblers bragging, but not make the connection when it comes to "prophets"

What you're saying doesn't mean nothing to me because you're saying it; it's meaningless because it lacks proof. Harry Potter mentions giants and prophesies which could be interpreted as having happened, once again neck-and-neck with the bible (except perhaps in the people who believe it's real without proof)

[raydog]

it was merely a joke to lighten the mood, bf... thats all.. no need to read more into it ... a lot of complete fukking morons uh i mean conspiracy theorist believe aliens built or showed others how to build the pyramids and other things similar...

[brainfreeze]

We can move on if you like, but I don't expect the same process to yield different results!

There certainly have been numerous claims of giant remains throughout the years...oddly enough, when you look at the dates they'e made, they drop off pretty sharply as we developed technology to more easily and definitively expose fakes (such as your linked finds being almost 100 years ago). So we have to once again ask ourselves: were giants/horned humans real, contradicting the countless other evidence, necessitating a massive conspiracy from which no evidence can escape? Or is it more likely that it's simply human nature, with con men exploiting the fables of men and fabricating them to make a quick buck? Mostly rhetorical question there, doesn't take much to realize which one is infinitely more likely...

So your saying, it's all a scam, no such thing right ? I don't doubt there have been con man because man will exploit whatever they can; this doesn't mean that all the evidence found is a joke. As I said, there's plenty of CREDIBLE sources, that have released information on the study of such beings, go to library of congress, search human giants, call the universities that are related in the articles, you will find these are real professors with real findings. I guess you will dismiss this all, as a con though...


Once again, there are plenty of explanations for how the pyramids were humanly possible. No clue on what stones you're referring to, and I doubt there's much scientific doubt for why regions are flooded. Interesting you should mention the persistence of flood myths across cultures, when most evidence points to the story of Noah being borrowed heavily from Sumerian flood myth Mesopotamian myth, itself borrowed from Sumerian myth preceding Genesis by 10,000+ years (older then Ken Ham believes the Earth to be ).

There are plenty, and no one has reproduced anything like it YET, I can sit around and ponder how, but until seeing thirty ton blocks moved around, it's all talk. Only thing close, is right here in America, a place called " coral castle ", a real place with big blocks of coral used, no one knows how it was cut or moved by one man, please I'd love to hear your explanations on this, check it out, the man was a mason. Engineers and other professors are puzzled at how he could do this. we can agree that knowledge is power, right ? Why wouldn't a certain group want to suppress facts and knowledge ? Is it because they have something at stake on a falsity ?

So lemme get this straight: a smart inventor in the early days of wireless technology "prophesied" that it would someday be used more widely? And 100 years later, it turns out he was right?? How on earth could he have known that people would continue to improve upon the invention?!?!?

He invented and predicted a lot of things, I wouldn't just push him over, and say his thoughts are irrelevant when they are in the midst of coming to pass. Your saying it's self explanatory on one hand with wireless, but on the other, just nonexistent ? ... Com'on trip

Funny thing about prophesies: people's tendency to believe they've come to pass is yet another application of confirmation bias. Someone says a bunch of stuff during their lifetime, and when some of it comes to pass (either directly or it could be loosely interpreted as happening), people frantically integrate it into their existing beliefs and hold it up as "proof", conveniently disregarding the rest of what that person said which didn't come true. The same thing happens right here, with guys running around touting their wins and not mentioning their losses...crazy how people can realize the one when it applies to gamblers bragging, but not make the connection when it comes to "prophets"

Your relating tesla to some one who picks sports ? .... Nuff said, I'd refer back to the paragraph above. These things are happening, sucking humanity right out, but yet when it's all said and done there won't be time to say I told you so, it will already be to late, with that said husbands love your wives and your children, and stand up, be a man.

What you're saying doesn't mean nothing to me because you're saying it; it's meaningless because it lacks proof. Harry Potter mentions giants and prophesies which could be interpreted as having happened, once again neck-and-neck with the bible (except perhaps in the people who believe it's real without proof)

This is in the library of congress, and newspaper that have made tons of money publishing truths, along with professors and archeologist names and dates... Guess it's a little more then a fantasy bud. You will call it all a scam, even though they've been found all over the world.

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[brainfreeze]

it was merely a joke to lighten the mood, bf... thats all.. no need to read more into it ... a lot of complete fukking morons uh i mean conspiracy theorist believe aliens built or showed others how to build the pyramids and other things similar...

That's because people know there's something else but grasping for any explanation instead of going to the solid truth of all, " the holy scriptures " which gives more explanation on everything in the world then anyone or anything else. If we let His word be are compass, He leads us into all truths...

[ACoochy]

That's because people know there's something else but grasping for any explanation instead of going to the solid truth of all, " the holy scriptures " which gives more explanation on everything in the world then anyone or anything else. If we let His word be are compass, He leads us into all truths...

Guys, let this illustrate to us all what happens when one stops taking their meds...

Dont be 'that' guy...

[Triple_D_Bet]

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Yes, most likely it's all a scam. It's all well and good for you to say there are tons of credible sources, but can you show me any? You have to admit, I can't really take your word for this stuff, when so many of the links you've shown have been easily disproven by the same google search used to find them.
Nobody knows how coral castle was built? Gotta be kidding me...the explanation is like the 3rd link when you google it: http://pesn.com/2012/09/27/9602196_C...but_not_Magic/

Tesla had many thoughts and ideas, but him claiming wireless would become more widely used is hardly prophetic...it's the equivalent of someone in the 90s claiming the internet would become more popular, and us marveling at how the "prophecy" came to pass. The apparent foretelling would make a lot more sense to you if you bothered to read up on confirmation bias...

I'm not relating Tesla to gamblers; I'm relating gamblers to people who believe Tesla or other people had prophetic powers. Both groups commit the same cognitive error, which you are still committing and which you still refuse to learn about.

Sigh...I'll try to be even clearer: people's opinions are not proof of anything, whether they're spoken, recorded, or printed (especially if they're printed by a business whose main objective is to convince people to buy their paper and read it, not to report only the verified truth). Again, please supply any link at all to show a definitively proven example of what you claim...

I feel like our conversation is exceptionally one-sided in that you extol me to "do the research" and post only links of testimonial videoas which I have very specifically told you is not proof of any kind; yet you read little to none of what I present to you, and simply dismiss it without even reading the brief summaries I link. Whether you consider it an insult or not, this behavior is that of someone who wishes to remain ignorant (realize "ignorant" is not an insult; it's a term describing someone who simply doesn't know something yet). You're welcome to believe as you do, but as I've said before numerous times, actively avoiding knowledge only makes you proof of several of the biases I've tried to share with you.

That's because people know there's something else but grasping for any explanation instead of going to the solid truth of all, " the holy scriptures " which gives more explanation on everything in the world then anyone or anything else. If we let His word be are compass, He leads us into all truths...

Riiiiiight...the bible gives more explanation on everything in the world than anything else...except, ya now, the entirety of science which actually informs us how the universe works (for the most part) and has allowed us to create a world where we can effortlessly perform what Jesus' contemporaries would have considered miracles. If we worshiped the bible as the supreme source of knowledge and cast aside all other, we'd be right back in the bronze age, trying to cure disease with prayer.

Thankfully people have been able to harness some of those cognitive defects to keep science advancing while hypocritically believing in the literal bible....but we wouldn't have to be hypocrites if we simply stop making things up and believing others when they did

[brainfreeze]

Yes, most likely it's all a scam. It's all well and good for you to say there are tons of credible sources, but can you show me any? You have to admit, I can't really take your word for this stuff, when so many of the links you've shown have been easily disproven by the same google search used to find them.
Nobody knows how coral castle was built? Gotta be kidding me...the explanation is like the 3rd link when you google it: http://pesn.com/2012/09/27/9602196_C...but_not_Magic/

Please tell me your not going to take this guys word for it, a tri-pod and a hundred pound man, really ? He spun those magnets for light ? Com' on man, people have been visiting this place for a long time. This man debunked nothing... especially how he said he got the stones out, no one can reproduce this, but let's take this guys word for it. Just because you look up someone saying they debunked something means nothing, actual proof does, and here's a little story for you. Ed made a door out of this stone, that a child could touch with one finger and would spin this massive stone door, it was angled perfectly on it's axis. Over the years so many people messed with it, it eventually stopped being operable, it took a team of men and plenty of machine to try to get this thing how Ed had it... Guess what, it never has worked like once was the way ed built it. Go look up the info on the early door, and then it's reconstruction ... Don't believe everything someone says trip. A tri-pod and ed... Smh

Tesla had many thoughts and ideas, but him claiming wireless would become more widely used is hardly prophetic...it's the equivalent of someone in the 90s claiming the internet would become more popular, and us marveling at how the "prophecy" came to pass. The apparent foretelling would make a lot more sense to you if you bothered to read up on confirmation bias...

Ok, we are getting off track, the question is, does the bee statement make sense and is plausible or not ?

I'm not relating Tesla to gamblers; I'm relating gamblers to people who believe Tesla or other people had prophetic powers. Both groups commit the same cognitive error, which you are still committing and which you still refuse to learn about.

Whatever trip, again... I'm not going to tell you something you haven't seen or done. If you tell me you've been skydiving, and have the parachute, can tell me about altitude and the things that apply ... I will take you for your word
Sigh...I'll try to be even clearer: people's opinions are not proof of anything, whether they're spoken, recorded, or printed (especially if they're printed by a business whose main objective is to convince people to buy their paper and read it, not to report only the verified truth). Again, please supply any link at all to show a definitively proven example of what you claim...

How do we know history tripper ? .... It's printed bud, on stone and everything else.

I feel like our conversation is exceptionally one-sided in that you extol me to "do the research" and post only links of testimonial videoas which I have very specifically told you is not proof of any kind; yet you read little to none of what I present to you, and simply dismiss it without even reading the brief summaries I link. Whether you consider it an insult or not, this behavior is that of someone who wishes to remain ignorant (realize "ignorant" is not an insult; it's a term describing someone who simply doesn't know something yet). You're welcome to believe as you do, but as I've said before numerous times, actively avoiding knowledge only makes you proof of several of the biases I've tried to share with you.

I'm not reading macro- evolution, and the phycology stuff, is for particular situations, it can apply for a mirage, or optical illusions... Not for my life, and everyday experiences, which you dismiss ALL OF THEM.

Riiiiiight...the bible gives more explanation on everything in the world than anything else...except, ya now, the entirety of science which actually informs us how the universe works (for the most part) and has allowed us to create a world where we can effortlessly perform what Jesus' contemporaries would have considered miracles. If we worshiped the bible as the supreme source of knowledge and cast aside all other, we'd be right back in the bronze age, trying to cure disease with prayer.

Science isn't bad, it's the distortion of said science and as I showed you in verse one of the Bible time, space, and matter. You brush all of it off though.

Thankfully people have been able to harness some of those cognitive defects to keep science advancing while hypocritically believing in the literal bible....but we wouldn't have to be hypocrites if we simply stop making things up and believing others when they did

Tesla was a big time scientist who understood the world, he believed in God, so was Von Braun, to name a few..

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[Triple_D_Bet]

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Freezer, there's video showing people using the techniques described to do exactly what you proclaim to be impossible, linked from that article...please don't assume I'm making assumptions about this stuff, especially when the information is right there! There are diagrams showing the physics of it, and the door is similarly explained as a simple process of finding the center of gravity.

The bees thing doesn't make much sense; we're far too different in a wide range of behaviors for the comparison to work.

I appreciate you taking me for my word, but I wouldn't mind your doubt if you didn't; however, when I show you documentation of such a thing, I'd expect you to accept it or at least look at it. Similarly, if I told you I came back from the dead this weekend, I'd expect you to be skeptical and demand some sort of proof besides "a buddy of mine wrote it down"

History is written down, but rarely in an entirely accurate manner. We have to use corroborating evidence to sift the truth out as best we can...when there is none for a certain speculation(authenticity) and plenty for another line of reasoning (con job), it makes far more sense to assume it's a con job.

I know you're not reading them; my point is, what you're not reading is concrete evidence, while your experiences are simply subjective (as explained by yet more information you're not reading). When I show you what I and the rest of the world know and you don't read it to try to contest it, what choice do I have but to dismiss your explanation of your experiences, particularly when I know what's by far the most likely cause of them??

Verse one of the bible was conveniently re-interpreted after science made the discovery to encompass what science discovered. Even if it wasn't a bit of a stretch, there's apparently zero value in a text so ambiguous it can be interpreted to mean any number of truths, and it contains no predictive knowledge, rendering it useless for advancing technology or hypotheses. Today's religions are full of these convenient reinterpretations and selective readings, as would be expected when our knowledge has expanded vastly compared to when these texts were written.

Yes, several "big time scientists" were able to harness their cognitive defects to simultaneously believe in the bible and go through with the scientific method... that does not make them correct. I don't take my accountant's advice on how to build a porch, even if he's a great accountant. He might even know how to build one, but even if he does, I'm certainly going to need proof before I ask him to build a deck. Humans tend to assume someone who's good at once thing is good at all things (yet another bias!), which is why it's so imperative for people to recognize the errors in their thinking so they don't go through life as mistaken as they would otherwise. Failure to do so can have devastating consequences, the least of which is being unable to convince anyone their favorite book is true

[brainfreeze]

Freezer, there's video showing people using the techniques described to do exactly what you proclaim to be impossible, linked from that article...please don't assume I'm making assumptions about this stuff, especially when the information is right there! There are diagrams showing the physics of it, and the door is similarly explained as a simple process of finding the center of gravity.

Someone did a minor example of a ton.. and chiseled around it... This gate is 9 TONS.. Rotated smoothly around for a long time, until the bearing gave... As I said they tried to fix it with modern machine and A TEAM of men, and could NOT get it to operate as it once did... FACT.. Builders know they can not move tons of stone by themselves with JUST a pulley and tri-pod, if you look at that picture closely, you will notice a latter that leads to the top of the pulley, with a strange box on the top... Then the kids telling the officer, they seen him move the stones by levitation .. I guess kids will be kids right ? They have all the more reason to lie..

The bees thing doesn't make much sense; we're far too different in a wide range of behaviors for the comparison to work.

It makes tons of sense, shocking you don't think so... Especially being pretty smart. I'm sure others wouldn't agree.

I appreciate you taking me for my word, but I wouldn't mind your doubt if you didn't; however, when I show you documentation of such a thing, I'd expect you to accept it or at least look at it. Similarly, if I told you I came back from the dead this weekend, I'd expect you to be skeptical and demand some sort of proof besides "a buddy of mine wrote it down"

Well if your waiting on documentation of the miracles in my life or video of star actors calling themselves satanist, well the 2nd is a possibility but I don't have said video, or visions that relate to people's lives, or apparitions, you'll be waiting a while tripper... There's no possible way to get it either.

History is written down, but rarely in an entirely accurate manner. We have to use corroborating evidence to sift the truth out as best we can...when there is none for a certain speculation(authenticity) and plenty for another line of reasoning (con job), it makes far more sense to assume it's a con job.

The Bible corroborates with history, I know you don't like realizing this but it's fact. There's no fantasy or fiction you will find throughout ALL the scriptures. So where would you label this book, if you can't prove any of it to be untrue, that's right... Non-fiction ..TRUTH


I know you're not reading them; my point is, what you're not reading is concrete evidence, while your experiences are simply subjective (as explained by yet more information you're not reading). When I show you what I and the rest of the world know and you don't read it to try to contest it, what choice do I have but to dismiss your explanation of your experiences, particularly when I know what's by far the most likely cause of them??
i have read it, I believe it's a lie, and it doesn't really matter what I think, it matters what other biologist think that have spent their lives studying it, and more and more are call it it a con... Now with this mind games stuff, I don't play about stuff like this, when I'm dealing with life, death, and afterlife matters, I know better then to look for something other then what it is... God, other dimensions, spirituality ... is all real.

Verse one of the bible was conveniently re-interpreted after science made the discovery to encompass what science discovered. Even if it wasn't a bit of a stretch, there's apparently zero value in a text so ambiguous it can be interpreted to mean any number of truths, and it contains no predictive knowledge, rendering it useless for advancing technology or hypotheses. Today's religions are full of these convenient reinterpretations and selective readings, as would be expected when our knowledge has expanded vastly compared to when these texts were written.

lol, so now that we understand it, we are just putting things there, and sure there's predictive knowledge and present knowledge, you just haven't considered search it out.

Yes, several "big time scientists" were able to harness their cognitive defects to simultaneously believe in the bible and go through with the scientific method... that does not make them correct. I don't take my accountant's advice on how to build a porch, even if he's a great accountant. He might even know how to build one, but even if he does, I'm certainly going to need proof before I ask him to build a deck. Humans tend to assume someone who's good at once thing is good at all things (yet another bias!), which is why it's so imperative for people to recognize the errors in their thinking so they don't go through life as mistaken as they would otherwise. Failure to do so can have devastating consequences, the least of which is being unable to convince anyone their favorite book is true

I'm not here to convince you, just shedding light in dark places, it's up to you if you want to remain where you are. Jesus loves you and that's that, if you want to know about Him ask. If you want to know why I believe, I've told you, and actually those " devastating consequences " was the best thing to ever happen to me, and when ever I think about them I thank God. I'm sure others who let Him in will be excited and happy about the decision as well...

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[Triple_D_Bet]

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The link documents a guy who did exactly that, moved a 19,200 lb block by himself.... http://www.theforgottentechnology.com

Some similarities appear on the surface between humans and bees, but you can find a few similarities between us and any lifeform i imagine. We and bees have fundamental differences in how we function; the degree of specialization in these kinds of insects makes meaningful gender-based observations impossible.

"More and more" is an appropriate quantification, in that it neatly fails to mention that it's still a tiny minority and almost certainly not growing faster than the opposing view. When you decided arbitrarily that you don't need proof cause you know the truth, you're simply choosing to remain ignorant, no other way to describe it.

Yup, bible has no predictive abilities. It had present knowledge, back when we didn't have any...and it should b left with the rest of our superstitions now that we understand the reasons for things and we don't need to just say "sky dude did it".

There's a reason people convert to religion as a coping mechanism when coming off drugs or other impulse-control problems, and it's related to the cognitive defects I keep mentioning and you keep ignoring. As these things are part of our DNA, I'm also sure people will continue to convert, and for some people, these delusions might be the only way they can function. If so, and that's what they need to control their impulses, more power to em...but let's not pretend that there's any useful reason for rational people without those problems to believe the supernatural nonsense instead of thinking for themselves.

No need to ask you about Jesus, since you and I both have access to the same sources on him...and I have no desire to hang out with anyone who's pals with the christian god, slaughterer of innocents and bringer of suffering.

[Snowball]

...Everyone was alarmed, as it was apparent the brother was in grave danger. There was no way to stop the bleeding.
Father Della Fonte, a priest who had been summoned, raised the brother's limp body up to the edge of the coffin.
He took Catherine's still, lifeless hand and placed it on the brother's breast.
The bleeding stopped, immediately.
Color slowly returned to Catherine's pale face, which by this time had taken on the appearance of marble.
Everyone excitedly came close to the coffin. Their joy and eagerness, in anticipation of once again seeing their Catherine's radiant eyes looking back at them, turned to utter dismay.
She looked back at them, completely devastated, and then turned toward the wall, sobbing uncontrollably.
Her companions all filed out, to spread the good news that Catherine was alive! But their good news was her bad news. Her trance had lasted over four hours, but her grief at having returned to life lasted two days. When she did speak, this is what she said about her vision of Heaven:
"I have seen the hidden things of God and now I am thrust back into the prison of the body."

[Triple_D_Bet]

...Everyone was alarmed, as it was apparent the brother was in grave danger. There was no way to stop the bleeding.
Father Della Fonte, a priest who had been summoned, raised the brother's limp body up to the edge of the coffin.
He took Catherine's still, lifeless hand and placed it on the brother's breast.
The bleeding stopped, immediately.
Color slowly returned to Catherine's pale face, which by this time had taken on the appearance of marble.
Everyone excitedly came close to the coffin. Their joy and eagerness, in anticipation of once again seeing their Catherine's radiant eyes looking back at them, turned to utter dismay.
She looked back at them, completely devastated, and then turned toward the wall, sobbing uncontrollably.
Her companions all filed out, to spread the good news that Catherine was alive! But their good news was her bad news. Her trance had lasted over four hours, but her grief at having returned to life lasted two days. When she did speak, this is what she said about her vision of Heaven:
"I have seen the hidden things of God and now I am thrust back into the prison of the body."

In 1998, during the Battle of Hogwarts, Harry Potter allowed himself to be struck with a Killing Curse by Lord Voldemort, and he entered a Limbo state in which his spirit met with the spirit of Albus Dumbledore, at a location thatHarry Potter identified as King's Cross Station. The station was, in the unconscious mind of Harry, clean and empty except for something that looked like a small, naked child, curled on the ground, with skin that was raw and rough, as though it had been flayed, which lay under a seat. Dumbledore then revealed to Harry that the form represented a small part of Lord Voldemort, destroyed when he "killed" Harry and thus annihiliated the part of his soul which he had unwittingly implanted in him.

I think Harry Potter gets the win on this one; Harry took it with far better grace than this lady. Harry Potter n+1, Bible n

[brainfreeze]

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"I have seen the hidden things of God and now I am thrust back into the prison of the body."

Preach snowball...,

[brainfreeze]

In 1998, during the Battle of Hogwarts, Harry Potter allowed himself to be struck with a Killing Curse by Lord Voldemort, and he entered a Limbo state in which his spirit met with the spirit of Albus Dumbledore, at a location thatHarry Potter identified as King's Cross Station. The station was, in the unconscious mind of Harry, clean and empty except for something that looked like a small, naked child, curled on the ground, with skin that was raw and rough, as though it had been flayed, which lay under a seat. Dumbledore then revealed to Harry that the form represented a small part of Lord Voldemort, destroyed when he "killed" Harry and thus annihiliated the part of his soul which he had unwittingly implanted in him.

I think Harry Potter gets the win on this one; Harry took it with far better grace than this lady. Harry Potter n+1, Bible n

Difference, this is fake... What snowball stated happened... but I guess this is all a figment of Harry potter land.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Difference, this is fake... What snowball stated happened... but I guess this is all a figment of Harry potter land.

More accurately, what I quoted is widely admitted to be fake, while a similar fictional tale is embraced as reality to the point where people delude themselves into thinking they've seen heaven.

But forget all that for a moment; by your logic, it doesn't matter if you think it's fake, or if nobody could replicate it; if someone says they know it's true and refuses to look at any evidence to the contrary, you'd have to give their belief equal weight with yours right? Kind of a "preach the controversy" deal I guess

[raydog]

im still waiting for these dry bones, i found in the back yard, to come alive... the absurdities in the manipulative bible are ridiculous beyond words

[zizoudane10]

im still waiting for these dry bones, i found in the back yard, to come alive... the absurdities in the manipulative bible are ridiculous beyond words

Is it Jimmy Hoffa?