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  • Biff41
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    • 07-23-14
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    #1716
    New mathmatic theories about intelligent design suggest some entity who planned things out.
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    • bigtymer56
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      #1717
      Originally posted by muldoon
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      (TheOnion)
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      • bigtymer56
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        • 07-31-12
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        #1718
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        • raydog
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          • 11-07-07
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          #1719
          recon, this is from the other thread....

          Originally posted by recon1
          Dog, you appear to be an intelligent person who's thought about God. Let me ask you what is the #1 factor that has lead you to your conclusion that the God of Jesus isn't real? Not a drawn out rant, but a 'hey, this one reason is nuttier than squirrel shit and i can't believe because of this' type reasoning.

          Thanks
          let me first state, that i do believe in historical Jesus... and his father may very well have been named God...but thats as far as im willing to take it...

          well, after sitting through a few years of bible school and learning all the things god is supposed to do for the good and for his children, it became obvious to me that nothing was actually protecting good people or pulling any strings of any sorts... when bad stuff happened, it was blamed on the devil, but god had a reason for doing nothing about it... its an awful excuse and always will be, imo...

          i was raised southern baptist and my part of the country is seriously a backwards as fukk place to live, when it comes to religion... its a big turnoff for anyone with doubts and leads to complete avoidance of the whole religion/god thing... and trust me when i say that if you bring up your doubts around the majority of people in my area, you will receive a brutal verbal beatdown, not with facts, but with threats of hell and pain and bad karma etc etc etc... its been instilled in peoples minds, for so long, that there is no other possibility other than god and its brought on a lot of bible misinterpretation that, in return, has led to unnecessary conflict and violence

          recon, i dont really have a #1 factor, there are so many situations in the bible that i dont beleive and that is probably a factor up on my list... the absurdities, that havent been performed since the bible was finished, is a very very telling sign to me...

          as far as everyday life, being that my mother and a handful of past girlfriends worked in hospitals either as nurses or dr's , i have seen too much death in innocent children... you cant walk through the halls of St.Jude or Lebohner childrens hospital without stopping and falling apart on at least a few occasions...you can only question "why" so many times until it hits you that there is nothing that will answer because there is nothing, other than imagination, that is there...

          and of course all the bad that happens to some of the better people... the idea of a good god is brutally awful and is overlooked... god doesnt protect, yet gets all the praise when someone gets fukked up and dr's/hospitals/machines save the lives... its a nauseating theory, but i understand its not one of your own, but one that was made up many generations ago by people far less intelligent and much more frightened by the devil and hell

          but, to finalize, i believe in science and i believe scientific theories have completely dubunked the absurdities in the bible, creationism, earths age etc...

          do i know what happened and why we are here? of course not ... but the big bang and evolution seem much more possible than one all mighty creator of everything... the whole theory is completely beyond the realm of reality and asinine, to me... i also think that because its such an impossible theory, its one of the reasons you have so many people believing in so many different religious things... i hope that made sense...

          sorry, i know you werent asking for a rant
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          • brainfreeze
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            • 05-13-14
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            #1720
            What doesn't make any sense, is to believe something came from nothing... or to believe intelligent design happened on accident, this takes faith raydog, I will just say pain is necessary in a sinful world, just the way it is, I'm glad you consider your first statement though, Jesus exists and God is our Father, and there's no way to Father but by the Son...
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            • brainfreeze
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              • 05-13-14
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              #1721
              Originally posted by Seaweed
              Clearly like a typical Protestant you took my response out of context and ignored everything else I said to explain that it is biblical in thought and expression. Is Sola Scriptura biblical? Is it mentioned? I rest my case.
              It's not about " sola scriptura " it's about spiritual authority .. and yes that comes from Gods word and faith alone.
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              • brainfreeze
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                #1722
                And what's going on here seaweed....

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                • Seaweed
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                  #1723
                  Originally posted by brainfreeze
                  It's not about " sola scriptura " it's about spiritual authority .. and yes that comes from Gods word and faith alone.
                  You limit God's word to written words. Yes, the bible is God's word, but it doesn't end there. Jesus preached orally, his apostles preached orally, the early Christians became Christian from their oral teachings and the teachings of the early Catholic Church. Most Christians could not read in the days of the early Church, so manuscripts was not the only way the Word was shared. As was told to Timothy, "Hold fast to the traditions" is as direct as can be. Authority comes from Christ, and what did Christ do when he was here? He didn't tell us to write anything down, he came to establish His Church and instruct his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations, and how did they do this? By preaching the Word. He left us with his Church to interpret and protect his Word from error. He gave Peter the keys to his kingdom, and said what is binded here on earth by Him will be bound in heaven, whatever is loosend on earth will be loosened in Heaven" His promise that the "Gates of hell shall not prevail against it" remains true to this day. No Pope in 2,000 years has contradicted one another on faith and morals, despite their being some bad popes, the Holy Spirit has protected their teachings and this is what is meant by infallibility of Popes. Peter was the authority head of the early Church and when he spoke it was final.
                  Last edited by Seaweed; 04-21-15, 04:20 AM.
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                  • bigtymer56
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                    • 07-31-12
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                    #1724
                    Originally posted by brainfreeze
                    What doesn't make any sense, is to believe something came from nothing... or to believe intelligent design happened on accident, this takes faith raydog, I will just say pain is necessary in a sinful world, just the way it is, I'm glad you consider your first statement though, Jesus exists and God is our Father, and there's no way to Father but by the Son...
                    Where did God come from? Did another God create him?
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                    • Seaweed
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                      #1725
                      Originally posted by bigtymer56
                      Where did God come from? Did another God create him?
                      God is an uncaused cause. God is not bound by time, and did not come into existence like things in the universe. It is true that anything that comes into existence or doesn't have to exist has a cause, but this is not the case for God because there is no begining for God. God is a necessary being that has to exist and so does not require a cause. Your question is nonsensical because it asks "Who created an uncreated being?”. God exists outside of our perception of time. God was, is, and forever will be.
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                      • The Kraken
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                        • 12-25-11
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                        #1726
                        Seaweed you know alot, how do you know so much
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                        • Seaweed
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                          #1727
                          Originally posted by The Kraken
                          Seaweed you know alot, how do you know so much
                          God is an important topic. You kind of want to make sure your decision to believe or not believe has been thoroughly investigated and you are confident in your honest conclusion made with an open mind and heart to all evidence cause your decision can have eternal lasting implications.
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                          • raydog
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                            #1728
                            Originally posted by brainfreeze
                            What doesn't make any sense, is to believe something came from nothing... or to believe intelligent design happened on accident, this takes faith raydog, I will just say pain is necessary in a sinful world, just the way it is, I'm glad you consider your first statement though, Jesus exists and God is our Father, and there's no way to Father but by the Son...
                            except its not "nothing from nothing" and its taken time... christians, although the evidence of the earths real age continues to pile high from many different measuring sources, are in complete denial and refuse to believe and continue to think the earth has only been around for 5-10k years... maybe some believe its a bit older

                            Here is something for you to ponder, bf ... AGAIN, this is just a hypothetical... if its somehow proven that a God exists and he is the creator of all yada yada yada, atheist will conform... they will accept god into their lives and worship him/it ... BUT, if science delivers the dagger into the god theory and completely debunks it, 100%, millions upon millions of god fearing will still be in complete denial... why? i blame the grossly manipulative bible
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                            • ACoochy
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                              • 08-19-09
                              • 13949

                              #1729
                              ...
                              Last edited by ACoochy; 04-21-15, 05:59 PM.
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                              • raydog
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                                • 11-07-07
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                                #1730
                                Originally posted by The Kraken
                                Seaweed you know alot, how do you know so much
                                he has obviously spent time in the church and with his bible... and he definitely believes and trusts everything he was Told (forced) to believe starting in his early years... its a shame it breeds so many hypocrites and bigots who judge others for not having the same blind faith
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                                • brainfreeze
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                                  #1731
                                  Originally posted by Seaweed
                                  You limit God's word to written words. Yes, the bible is God's word, but it doesn't end there. Jesus preached orally, his apostles preached orally, the early Christians became Christian from their oral teachings and the teachings of the early Catholic Church. Most Christians could not read in the days of the early Church, so manuscripts was not the only way the Word was shared. As was told to Timothy, "Hold fast to the traditions" is as direct as can be. Authority comes from Christ, and what did Christ do when he was here? He didn't tell us to write anything down, he came to establish His Church and instruct his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations, and how did they do this? By preaching the Word. He left us with his Church to interpret and protect his Word from error. He gave Peter the keys to his kingdom, and said what is binded here on earth by Him will be bound in heaven, whatever is loosend on earth will be loosened in Heaven" His promise that the "Gates of hell shall not prevail against it" remains true to this day. No Pope in 2,000 years has contradicted one another on faith and morals, despite their being some bad popes, the Holy Spirit has protected their teachings and this is what is meant by infallibility of Popes. Peter was the authority head of the early Church and when he spoke it was final.
                                  Again, there was always scribes... Theres a silver amulet that's older then the Dead Sea scrolls with an ancient book of the bible written in old hebrew, sooooo... What are you saying ? Or should I say what are you twisting... of course things are discussed orally but the Word is the Word, Galatians " it's the sword " of the spiritual, you know this seaweed... Put on your armor and accept Gods word alone ..

                                  Word from Peter...

                                  14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



                                  And please stop shaking down little church ladies for your schemes and big hats...
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                                  • raydog
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                                    • 11-07-07
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                                    #1732
                                    its funny, but its not... its something every other day... if its not islamic assholes killing/bombing/beating in the name of allah , its the Catholic church with money or molestation issues
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                                    • bigtymer56
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                                      • 07-31-12
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                                      #1733
                                      Originally posted by Seaweed
                                      God is an uncaused cause. God is not bound by time, and did not come into existence like things in the universe. It is true that anything that comes into existence or doesn't have to exist has a cause, but this is not the case for God because there is no begining for God. God is a necessary being that has to exist and so does not require a cause. Your question is nonsensical because it asks "Who created an uncreated being?”. God exists outside of our perception of time. God was, is, and forever will be.
                                      ...of course rules and logic dont apply when it comes to God himself. "uncaused cause", I can't with this shit.
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                                      • raydog
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                                        • 11-07-07
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                                        #1734
                                        i do like this guy... i would go once.. quality entertainment



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                                        • TheMoneyShot
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                                          • 02-14-07
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                                          #1735
                                          50 Pages now?

                                          GOD are you reading this right now?
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                                          • zizoudane10
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                                            • 03-27-12
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                                            #1736


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                                            • rkelly110
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                                              • 10-05-09
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                                              #1737
                                              You non believers need brought down a notch. Honestly, do you really think humans are that smart to know everything?

                                              From my many years on this earth, I see really stupid shit that humans do and say every day. Myself included.

                                              Some say 98% of scientists believe our climate is changing, yet many non scientists balk at the idea.
                                              Even scientists fight amongst themselves on any given subject and you guys want to believe them?

                                              That's fine if you don't believe in God, just don't throw the science into it.
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                                              • muldoon
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                                                • 01-04-10
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                                                #1738
                                                Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                That's fine if you do believe in God, just don't throw the science into it. And stay out of public policy and schools
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                                                • bobbywaves
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                                                  • 05-06-08
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                                                  #1739
                                                  I assume atheists protest using American money, otherwise you're a hypocrite for supporting the belief in God. On the back of all my bills it says "In God We Trust."

                                                  Why is that? Why doesn't our money say "In God We Don't Trust?"
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                                                  • zizoudane10
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                                                    #1740
                                                    Originally posted by muldoon
                                                    Fixed
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                                                    • Snowball
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                                                      #1741
                                                      Do you believe in evolution ? Why ? Because you were lied to.

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                                                      • muldoon
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                                                        #1742
                                                        Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                        I assume atheists protest using American money, otherwise you're a hypocrite for supporting the belief in God. On the back ofs all my bills it says "In God We Trust."

                                                        Why is that? Why doesn't our money say "In God We Don't Trust?"

                                                        So if you found a million dollars in old (pre 1957) money you wouldn't use it because it didn't specifically say we trusted god?

                                                        Does your ATM card say you trust in God to access money?
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                                                        • raydog
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                                                          #1743
                                                          Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                          I assume atheists protest using American money, otherwise you're a hypocrite for supporting the belief in God. On the back of all my bills it says "In God We Trust."

                                                          Why is that? Why doesn't our money say "In God We Don't Trust?"
                                                          Because when the illiterates in gov't first issued money, they were scared to death of hell and the devil because they didn't know any better... They didn't have the scientific knowledge or facts we have today.. The avg adult from those days probably couldn't pass the 3rd grade today...
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                                                          • muldoon
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                                                            #1744
                                                            So if Bobbywaves and other fantasy believers were given this - they would refuse it? Would they burst into flames?

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                                                            • raydog
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                                                              #1745
                                                              bobby, you cant be considered a hypocrite when you are forced by the govt. to utilize their product in order to survive... unfortunately, atheist have no choice... you are going to have to come up with something better
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                                                              • gauchojake
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                                                                #1746
                                                                Bobby is what many people called a "mongoloid" before that was considered politically incorrect.

                                                                Anyways, I'm sure Boston gambler has this thread on his e resume since it never seems to die.
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                                                                • bobbywaves
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                                                                  • 05-06-08
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                                                                  #1747
                                                                  Originally posted by raydog
                                                                  you are going to have to come up with something better
                                                                  In school, did you refuse to stand for the pledge of allegiance? Or did you stand & just refuse to say "One nation, under God?" Or did you change beliefs after your education?
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                                                                  • bobbywaves
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                                                                    #1748
                                                                    Originally posted by gauchojake
                                                                    Bobby is what many people called a "mongoloid" before that was considered politically incorrect.
                                                                    No doubt that's you in avatar.
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                                                                    • raydog
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                                                                      #1749
                                                                      Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                      In school, did you refuse to stand for the pledge of allegiance? Or did you stand & just refuse to say "One nation, under God?" Or did you change beliefs after your education?
                                                                      again, this is something, as a child, we were forced to do ... i still do it today, if im at an event, because it shows respect to the flag and country ... thats the idea of the pledge is to show respect to the flag of your country... because it says "under god" really has 0 to do with someone showing respect to their country and is in no way considered an act of hypocrisy by an atheist... you are still off, but keep the wheels spinning...

                                                                      bobby, i do plenty of hypocritical shit...we all do... i just dont publicize it quite as ignorantly as christians do
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                                                                      • bobbywaves
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                                                                        #1750
                                                                        Not sure how many times atheists need to lose this fight, before they get wise & give it up: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/05/...ght-god-trust/
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