Ten big time athletes who are horrible tippers

[Burkina2008]

Tipping is a non-sense...
You go a restaurant in Europe ask for a steak and a bier and you pay what it says on the Menu: 20 euros stake + 4 for the bier, u end up rounding to 25, so u tip 1 euro

You go to the US, the menu says Stake 20$ and Bier 4$, then comes the check and instead of 24$, u see tax of 3$ + 5$ of service/tip..its just retarded...

[frogsrangers]

I valeted in college in Dallas and I can say without a doubt that Emmitt Smith is a crap tipper. Michael Crabtree stiffed us twice, and the third time he came back we parked his car in the garage like any regular Joe customer because he doesn't tip, and he threw a tantrum at the entrance because we didn't leave his car out front. Felix Jones stiffed us when he came in.

[MoneyLineDawg]

I tip everyone well if you do your job right and/or have a good attitude.....Figure a few extra bucks ain't gunna kill me so might as well make someone else happy if they are doing a solid job

Blacks terrible tippers as a whole, but pathetic that these millionaires leave such garbage tips.....

[biggerleaffan]

This article is biased by the way they frame their stories and are pro tipping.
Nothing to see here

[boomernyc]

allen iverson, allen iverson, allen iverson

[paco]

I worked as a bellman at Townsend Hotel which all the teams that played the pistons stayed at. Met all these Athletes and the 2 best tippers in my time was Karl Malone which gave me $100 tip just to move his 1 duffel bag, and some cowboy boots to another room and the other was Anthony Mason who tipped me $100 just for a jug of coffee at 5 am. Rest were cheap and arrogant

[byronbb]

Tipping is a non-sense...
You go a restaurant in Europe ask for a steak and a bier and you pay what it says on the Menu: 20 euros stake + 4 for the bier, u end up rounding to 25, so u tip 1 euro

You go to the US, the menu says Stake 20$ and Bier 4$, then comes the check and instead of 24$, u see tax of 3$ + 5$ of service/tip..its just retarded...

I tried tipping at a club in Europe and the guy was almost insulted.

[artofaggression]

Tipping is so much an American customary thing than so in other countries. why tip someone for DOING theyre job. We seem to think that these direct-service jobs require a tip. Go to Europe where tipping is quite foreign. I cant believe that if I go to Ponderosa that I not only have to pay for my meal but the employee's salary as well cuz if I dont tip them they make $2.38/hr and they will give you horrible service the next time around.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Tipping is so much an American customary thing than so in other countries. why tip someone for DOING theyre job. We seem to think that these direct-service jobs require a tip. Go to Europe where tipping is quite foreign. I cant believe that if I go to Ponderosa that I not only have to pay for my meal but the employee's salary as well cuz if I dont tip them they make $2.38/hr and they will give you horrible service the next time around.

Either tip or don't go out to eat.....blame the system but don't take it out on the workers.....people that work for tips make 20 bucks a shift literally without tips

[artofaggression]

Thats not my fault. This is same country that doesnt see my health care and education as universal rights as the other 314 countries in world; I have to pay to be healthy and pay to be educated....and now I have to pay for a person that took employment-at-will to work for pennies an hour? Restaurants are at fault -- they let fat assholes eat all they wanna and offset that by lowballing employees. Raise prices of meals then. Look what just happened at IHOP - that grimey waitress stole $200 tip. If it aint enough money, quit. i tip bcI want to, not because I need to.

[TheCentaur]

Tipping is so much an American customary thing than so in other countries. why tip someone for DOING theyre job. We seem to think that these direct-service jobs require a tip. Go to Europe where tipping is quite foreign. I cant believe that if I go to Ponderosa that I not only have to pay for my meal but the employee's salary as well cuz if I dont tip them they make $2.38/hr and they will give you horrible service the next time around.

Art I agree with all of your posts so much I thought you were my ghost for a minute

[MoneyLineDawg]

Thats not my fault. This is same country that doesnt see my health care and education as universal rights as the other 314 countries in world; I have to pay to be healthy and pay to be educated....and now I have to pay for a person that took employment-at-will to work for pennies an hour? Restaurants are at fault -- they let fat assholes eat all they wanna and offset that by lowballing employees. Raise prices of meals then. Look what just happened at IHOP - that grimey waitress stole $200 tip. If it aint enough money, quit. i tip bcI want to, not because I need to.

If everyone just did what they want or felt was right instead of following laws and social norms the world would be more fukked up than it already is

Tipping is normal in America....Love it or hate it

[Burkina2008]

If everyone just did what they want or felt was right instead of following laws and social norms the world would be more fukked up than it already is

Tipping is normal in America....Love it or hate it

It is also a norm in some countries stoning women that had sex outside marrieage to death...I am sure thats also something to follow in the future right?

[artofaggression]

Good point. Or in Germany, its a social norm to make scheisse videos....we dont want that to become the MO do we?

[MoneyLineDawg]

It is also a norm in some countries stoning women that had sex outside marrieage to death...I am sure thats also something to follow in the future right?

Horrible comparison.....You don't like tipping while in America? Then don't...you're just being a cheap fukk, saving a few bucks and denying workers their wages....Is what it is

Reflects poorly on you, but hey if you don't care then that's your prerogative

I agree that the restaurants and other establishments should be paying them more money but that's not how the system is currently set up

[artofaggression]

Not tipping isnt denying anyone anything; its opting not to tip. If I fail to leave a tip its not an indictment on my character. Ive already paid for the meal, why should I have to pay something akin to the waitress' wages? Fukkin cheap-a$$ corporate fat cats undercutting these employees and they willfully opt to work there. No one forced them to work for next to nothing. That right there is not a social norm.

[Cookie Monster]

Tips have been always a pet peeve of mine. It is not because I am cheap, I agree on tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for a merely passable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done.

In Japan tips are prohibited, and they are regarded as one of the best services on the world. USA has the highest tip rate of any country and the service is usually good, but not great. So much for the "better tips mean better service". In reality, a higher tips business means a lower base salary for the worker. If tipping were prohibited, the employer would be forced to increase the wages, and of course increase the price of the items. As 99% of business, using "one full price" without extra charges for the standard service.

Tips are underreported often, stiffing taxes and retirement plans. And in many countries is hard to get business expenses refunds on tips. Sales taxes are also stiffed, as the prices are artificially low, meaning lower taxable amount.

From a debate I read:

Tipping is absolutely an arbitrary practice. The practice of tipping simply allows the employer to shirk on the responsibility of paying the worker a living wage. Tipping is the practice of playing the worker and the consumer against each other to the benefit of the employer. This is what the employer gets: he gets to advertise an artificially low price, and he gets to pay his workers a low wage, keeping more profit for himself, because the consumers will pay the worker for him.

This is a flawed system. In an ideal system we would simply have one price where all services and employees wages are built into that price. In fact we do have that "one price" in 99% of the services and products sold in our society. It is only in a specific few that the "one price" method becomes unworkable.

[Burkina2008]

Horrible comparison.....You don't like tipping while in America? Then don't...you're just being a cheap fukk, saving a few bucks and denying workers their wages....Is what it is

Reflects poorly on you, but hey if you don't care then that's your prerogative

I agree that the restaurants and other establishments should be paying them more money but that's not how the system is currently set up

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

[James D]

Tipping is a non-sense...
You go a restaurant in Europe ask for a steak and a bier and you pay what it says on the Menu: 20 euros stake + 4 for the bier, u end up rounding to 25, so u tip 1 euro

You go to the US, the menu says Stake 20$ and Bier 4$, then comes the check and instead of 24$, u see tax of 3$ + 5$ of service/tip..its just retarded...

The truth is he is right, we are just conditioned to do it and forced to because then wages of the servers factor our tip into the pay scale. If we don't tip because of the corrupt system in place we are screwing the little guy.

I tried tipping at a club in Europe and the guy was almost insulted.

LOL in non tourist areas that happened to me a couple times as well. Tourist areas they are usually ok with it.

Either tip or don't go out to eat.....blame the system but don't take it out on the workers.....people that work for tips make 20 bucks a shift literally without tips

I agree we absolutely have to tip. They set up. A system that makes us the bad guy if we don't.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

I agree but if we didn't have to tip I'm sure restaurants and other service places where you normally tip would just charge more to make up for the higher wages.....Also I really don't mind people working harder for better tips

Lots of fukked up shit in this country but I really don't mind tipping people when they did a job well done.....Don't even really think twice about it

[MoneyLineDawg]

Not tipping isnt denying anyone anything; its opting not to tip. If I fail to leave a tip its not an indictment on my character. Ive already paid for the meal, why should I have to pay something akin to the waitress' wages? Fukkin cheap-a$$ corporate fat cats undercutting these employees and they willfully opt to work there. No one forced them to work for next to nothing. That right there is not a social norm.

If everyone had your attitude and no one tipped you would get dumb fukks that work at Taco Bell serving you your filet mignon.....when I go out to eat I want someone that knows what they're doing and gives effort to serve my table the right way....I don't mind paying a little extra for someone that makes my experience more relaxing and enjoyable

Going out to eat is meal+tip, you should understand that going in....would you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the menu and you didn't have to tip? Either way you're paying for it

[Kermit]

I tip 20% at Chinese all you can eat buffets. The girls there love it.

[artofaggression]

As mentioned earlier, some grubby IHOP waitress just "received" a $200 tip from a customer. The circumstances are dubious, but shiiiiiit -- I aint making no $200 in gratuities a day, and the job I hold is adjudicating ppl's claims to large retroactive payouts. So last week I actually discovered this employee was underpaid $51,000 over the last five years...so I contacted employee and informed her shes owed this money and she will receive it as a lump-sum payout next pay check. You think I expected or received a tip? Well wish in one hand, shit in the other. I got a wow thank you youre so efficient, kind, blah blah blah. And thats fine by me.

Like Burkina said, were facilitating these restaurants to skim paying going rates for labor. And in turn these "poor underpaid waitresses" who are forced by gunpoint to work these jobs, conveniently fail to report their tips accordingly. Thats tax fraud, folks. Theyre just as grimey and scuzzy as restaurant execs. And when or if I tip the BJ dealer at the casino here nearby, dont think I dont know floormen and pitboss arent keeping 90% of the tip. AND even with the preponderence of said tip being ganked, BJ dealers (with reduced tip) make $20/25 an hour if not more. Everybody is greedy, yo.

Yes, JACK UP the prices for food like society has done for gas, health care and so on -- that way the waitress would be properly compensated and would be held accountable for their service. Then I dont have to worry about whether they pissed in the coffee cuz I didnt tip them last time. So the level of service is contingent on whether we tip or are seen as a potential good tip? Greedy fukks want something for nothing.

USA is as fukked-up as they come when it comes to its customary standards.

[artofaggression]

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

Burkina you have a fan here. May I ask where youre from? I spent a while in Europe and saw these same hypocracies as well....

To let a 16 yr-old drive a car and they cant vote or legally drink (tho do it anyway) is absurd. I know less 16 yr-olds who steal cars and drive underage than I do who drink AND drive. And the texting think is even scarrier...

USA is crazy....but God Bless America, right?

[packerd_00]

this is the very reason why a lot of establishments automatically include the gratuity and/or tip on top of the bill....especially in large parties of like 8 or more...usually it's around 18%....It disgusts me that these black athletes are cheap like this...it just reinforces the stereotype of African Americans being bad tippers...I'm old school and I sincerely believe that if you can't afford to give a decent tip like 20 - 30% (what I usually do) then you shouldn't go out eating in the first place!......furthermore, a restaurant should reserve the right to refuse service to known bad tippers but then again we all know what kind of issues that would create...Conversely, look at a high class athlete like Peyton Manning doing the right thing!...even after the gratuity was added on!.......he gave an additional 30% on top of the 18%!...total tip = 48%!...now that's a little excessive and too generous but it sure as hell is better than being a total cheap ass!

It is really irritating,when you think about it. Most of us give good tips im assuming,and were just working men.

[packerd_00]

I tip 20% at Chinese all you can eat buffets. The girls there love it.

Seriously,your not trying to pick them up are you Kermit.

[jizay]

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

Typical Euro. I travel to Europe on the reg. Service is almost uniformly terrible. Guess why, moron. But like a typical Euro, you will come back and say that you actually prefer slow, bad service to tipping and good service. Just like you prefer smaller cars, smaller houses, less choices, etc.

[James Marques]

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

There's a lot of things I think are stupid too. However, in the interests of politeness, I try to obey social norms. I was in Ireland last year and met a group of locals at a pub one afternoon. One guy ordered a round of beers for everybody. As I understand it, this practice is common in Ireland... and it makes more sense than the annoying American way of "separate checks, please." Now I hadn't planned on sticking around for another drink, but I did and ordered a round for my new friends. Why? Because I didn't want to look like a jerk. Pretty simple.

Now, tipping is customary in the US. The reasons are irrelevant. The logic is irrelevant. It's not changing any time soon. If you don't mind being viewed as a jerk, don't tip... that's your prerogative and I could care less. But I'd be willing to bet your friends would not want to be seen with you out in public, as your rude behavior would reflect on them and be potentially embarrassing.

The quality of service in US bars and restaurants, as compared to European counterparts, is on a whole different level. You have one waitress serving 100 customers in a busy pub, mainly because she gets paid 15 Euro an hour and it's too expensive to hire a second waitress at that cost. In America, those 100 people are served by 6 waitresses @ $2 an hour each. For the restaurant, this improves both sales and overall quality of experience. And yes, if you come in frequently and don't tip, you'll get bad service. Mainly because the staff will view you as a jerk. That's no different than going to a European bar and acting like a jerk (say maybe drinking too much, being impolite, complaining, etc) and getting bad service "for free."

I guess my point is that if you want to be a jerk, that's your right. But it's also my right to think to myself, "Man, that guy is a real jerk."

[artofaggression]

Typical Euro. I travel to Europe on the reg. Service is almost uniformly terrible. Guess why, moron. But like a typical Euro, you will come back and say that you actually prefer slow, bad service to tipping and good service. Just like you prefer smaller cars, smaller houses, less choices, etc.

He also prefers universal health care and free higher education and prefers not to have welfare folk hampering society and also prefers to be able to legally punt sports in betting parlors and play poker and go to whorehouse and get a piece of ass. He also prob prefers to drive 115mph on much safer roads than in USA with no worry of a crooked police office trying to pull some corrupt sh!t. And the service is no better or no worse....and since when do ppl have to pay for service since its a service industry?!!!?!!??

[jizay]

He also prefers universal health care and free higher education

The health care and education are not "free." Doctors and teachers don't work for free. The equipment and buildings aren't free. These things are paid for by Europeans through taxes, which are high in most of Europe. That's why European nations, despite being small and relatively ethnically homogeneous European, are generally much less productive than the enormous and heterogeneous US and have lower purchasing power parity per capita. That is not to even begin mentioning that the US is already one of the largest social welfare programs in the world because we have millions of poor people streaming across our southern border.

and prefers not to have welfare folk hampering society

Not really. They give out more welfare. They are simply blessed with better demographics, yet still poorer, which is a testament to bad economic policies. Just as our Euro friend cannot comprehend the incentive value of the tipping system (and the built in cost of no tips in his own system), he cannot understand the disincentives of high taxes and generous social spending and the built in cost of supposedly free health and education. Like you, the Euro is an economic illiterate.

and also prefers to be able to legally punt sports in betting parlors and play poker and go to whorehouse and get a piece of ass.

At least they are right about something.

He also prob prefers to drive 115mph on much safer roads than in USA with no worry of a crooked police office trying to pull some corrupt sh!t.

Most of Europe much, much, much more corrupt than US. Only Scandinavia less so, maybe Germany or Netherlands as well.

And the service is no better or no worse....and since when do ppl have to pay for service since its a service industry?!!!?!!??

Service is much worse. No contest. Unless you're a government worker (25% of Europe) who wants to spend 2 or 3 hours at lunch, then it's no prob. You pay for service one way or the other. If the servers make good wages, that will be reflected in higher food costs. Here, the servers make bad wages but tips are customary. At least that way, servers have an incentive to try to please you, and better servers make more money. Put servers on salary so that they make the same no matter what and see how fast you become a nuisance to them rather than an opportunity to make money.

Economics 101, homie. Learn it.

[MoneyLineDawg]

You non tippers just don't get it.....You're paying an extra tip for good service.....If there were no such things as tips, establishments would have to pay their service workers more, and they would make up for it by charging more for their products.......Either way you're paying a premium, you can't have it both ways

I like the tipping way better....I can pay more to those that deserve it and provide great service and I can give bad workers less.....Makes sense

With no tipping, can't see workers going the extra mile for you

[artofaggression]

The health care and education are not "free." Doctors and teachers don't work for free. The equipment and buildings aren't free. These things are paid for by Europeans through taxes, which are high in most of Europe. That's why European nations, despite being small and relatively ethnically homogeneous European, are generally much less productive than the enormous and heterogeneous US and have lower purchasing power parity per capita. That is not to even begin mentioning that the US is already one of the largest social welfare programs in the world because we have millions of poor people streaming across our southern border.



Not really. They give out more welfare. They are simply blessed with better demographics, yet still poorer, which is a testament to bad economic policies. Just as our Euro friend cannot comprehend the incentive value of the tipping system (and the built in cost of no tips in his own system), he cannot understand the disincentives of high taxes and generous social spending and the built in cost of supposedly free health and education. Like you, the Euro is an economic illiterate.



At least they are right about something.



Most of Europe much, much, much more corrupt than US. Only Scandinavia less so, maybe Germany or Netherlands as well.



Service is much worse. No contest. Unless you're a government worker (25% of Europe) who wants to spend 2 or 3 hours at lunch, then it's no prob. You pay for service one way or the other. If the servers make good wages, that will be reflected in higher food costs. Here, the servers make bad wages but tips are customary. At least that way, servers have an incentive to try to please you, and better servers make more money. Put servers on salary so that they make the same no matter what and see how fast you become a nuisance to them rather than an opportunity to make money.

Economics 101, homie. Learn it.

Lol nice faggoty barb in there. Uhhh lets see there I lived in Europe for two decades and in the scourge of civilization which is America so Id think im inclined to be qualified and LITERATE on these topics.

Higher taxes, yes, which support health care and education and infrastructure and public transportation and social welfare initiatives. America is inverse in this way; your health or ability to learn isnt seen as a universal right. Instead, its for sale. Doctors under the social umbrella in Germany, as are hospitals and pharmaceuticals are subsidized. None of this for-profit BS.

You make blanket statements about Europe being corrupt -- got some stats to corroborate that fruitcake? Its no more or less corrupt than this wondrous land. You have more theifs, more scammers and more grimey opportinists here than most places.

Dont confuse customary to obligatory and an act to a gesture. Its not compulsory that someone leave a gratuity. And employees should hold a modicum of professionalism and decorum whether theyre tipped or not -- not be a whiny b!tch with a tude if they dont get $9 tip on $18 meal. And for the last time, NO ONE forces these poor, poverty-stricken gits to work food service - it must be their intrinsic joy of serving ppl since the pay isnt good. Or its that they have no tangible skillset. Stop babying these impetulant waitesses.

[James Marques]

Lol nice faggoty barb in there. Uhhh lets see there I lived in Europe for two decades and in the scourge of civilization which is America so Id think im inclined to be qualified and LITERATE on these topics.

Higher taxes, yes, which support health care and education and infrastructure and public transportation and social welfare initiatives. America is inverse in this way; your health or ability to learn isnt seen as a universal right. Instead, its for sale. Doctors under the social umbrella in Germany, as are hospitals and pharmaceuticals are subsidized. None of this for-profit BS.

You make blanket statements about Europe being corrupt -- got some stats to corroborate that fruitcake? Its no more or less corrupt than this wondrous land. You have more theifs, more scammers and more grimey opportinists here than most places.

Dont confuse customary to obligatory and an act to a gesture. Its not compulsory that someone leave a gratuity. And employees should hold a modicum of professionalism and decorum whether theyre tipped or not -- not be a whiny b!tch with a tude if they dont get $9 tip on $18 meal. And for the last time, NO ONE forces these poor, poverty-stricken gits to work food service - it must be their intrinsic joy of serving ppl since the pay isnt good. Or its that they have no tangible skillset. Stop babying these impetulant waitesses.

So let me make sure I'm understanding this correctly: You bash America (as a country) for its lack of generosity in regards to social welfare, but then bash the generosity of American individuals who tip those who serve them? Do you not see the problem with this logic? We should "stop babying these impetulant waitesses [sic]" but should continue to entitle society as a whole?

[artofaggression]

So let me make sure I'm understanding this correctly: You bash America (as a country) for its lack of generosity in regards [sic] to social welfare, but then bash the generosity of American individuals who tip those who serve them? Do you not see the problem with this logic? We should "stop babying these impetulant waitesses [sic]" but should continue to entitle society as a whole?

Read above -- There's your sic back at you, smart ass. Learn the difference between regard and regards in your own write-up the next time you want to play English teacher, ok?

What I say is that the culture in America to tip bitch-ass waitresses who VOLUNTARILY work these jobs doesnt make someone a jerk, tightwad or philanthropist. Tipping is as optional as the ppl who seek employment at such an establishment. The whole other spiel about how fukked-up USA is was spillover from Burkina and some previous posts.

[rkelly110]

Govt has caught on to unreported tips in the restaurant industry. Most places have to pool their tips, shared among staff
and have to pay taxes on those tips.

Have to love the excuses in here for not tipping. From an ugly fat waitress all the way to how it's the govts fault.