Wow, Australia's minimum wage is $16.88/hour!

[shari91]

Family benefit alone prob goes to more than 50% and covers so many people who are closer to rich than poor.

Have to admit it feels crazy how many handouts and rebates we have had the last few years. But I remind myself we have been through a financial crisis and if there ever is a time for the govt to make it rain money its now.

Be interesting to see the effects when Liberals wind a lot of it back fast.

The one thing I love about the Liberals is Abbott's PPL plan. He announced it in January? and I won't benefit from it but from an overall scheme it's excellent. Better than people double dipping with Labor's plan and their employers since one doesn't cancel out the other. Being greedy though, I'm not having another child yet I'm now going to lose out on the School Kids Bonus. Which if we explained that to any US people here they'd laugh at anyway. Just the concept of it.

Other than that though they owe us one for our boy who got shot dead in Oklahoma yesterday. Kid on a baseball scholarship lost his life to losers who said alternately "I want to be famous" and "we was bored". Fukk off and die.

[Optional]

Not interested in getting deep into the weeds with big government types telling me how THEY are going to TAKE and SPEND my hard worked money on what THEY think is right.

I leave this. The story is on a million websites, I grabbed one I came across.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/08/72396-unbelievable-u2s-bono-says-capitalism-quickest-way-to-prosperity/

Later

The govt are going to take your hard earned money in tax of the same amount. Yet you hate the idea of them spending a chunk of that money on you, the people? As opposed to bailing out banks for instance?

I'll try a third time, if not on social welfare at all, how you would have the govt spend the tax it takes that would see the people in your community better off? It's not like they are going to take less tax because they don't spend it on social welfare.

[Optional]

The one thing I love about the Liberals is Abbott's PPL plan. He announced it in January? and I won't benefit from it but from an overall scheme it's excellent. Better than people double dipping with Labor's plan and their employers since one doesn't cancel out the other. Being greedy though, I'm not having another child yet I'm now going to lose out on the School Kids Bonus. Which if we explained that to any US people here they'd laugh at anyway. Just the concept of it.

Other than that though they owe us one for our boy who got shot dead in Oklahoma yesterday. Kid on a baseball scholarship lost his life to losers who said alternately "I want to be famous" and "we was bored". Fukk off and die.

I've seen what the Libs will do in this situation before. Slash and burn expenditure and put the place back in working business order. Hopefully it's not still a little too early to be doing that is the only concern I think.

And that's the reason they have held govt most of the time since WW2. They are the only alternative who can actually run the country like a business we have. But it is good to have a period of labour to balance things back out a bit now and then. We had the right people in at the right time in hindsight I think.

[Bbr]

ok all you brainy politicians. who should i vote for and why. I dont have time for this decision. Got bills to make

[bettilimbroke999]

The one thing I love about the Liberals is Abbott's PPL plan. He announced it in January? and I won't benefit from it but from an overall scheme it's excellent. Better than people double dipping with Labor's plan and their employers since one doesn't cancel out the other. Being greedy though, I'm not having another child yet I'm now going to lose out on the School Kids Bonus. Which if we explained that to any US people here they'd laugh at anyway. Just the concept of it.

Other than that though they owe us one for our boy who got shot dead in Oklahoma yesterday. Kid on a baseball scholarship lost his life to losers who said alternately "I want to be famous" and "we was bored". Fukk off and die.

You have been issued a bettilimbroke999 infraction for racism - calling blacks losers

Saloon this filth!

[bettilimbroke999]

I naturally got an infraction when I turned on my computer....I was just kidding around shari you are not a racist...but plz quit calling the blacks losers havent you heard about slavery 150+ years ago....thats why they shot that Aussie kid

[shari91]

I naturally got an infraction when I turned on my computer....I was just kidding around shari you are not a racist...but plz quit calling the blacks losers havent you heard about slavery 150+ years ago....thats why they shot that Aussie kid

haha you actually made me giggle and then go back and reread my post to see what I said. I think one of those kids is actually white, no? Regardless of race they're bloody trash. Seriously I have more understanding of drive by gang-related shootings gone wrong than I do of what these scumbags did. And hearing their parents keep protesting their innocence when the kids admitted it just pisses me off more.

[SharpBoxing]

I didn't say it was better or eutopia, you did.

I guess you are bereft of ideas about how your govt should spend your tax to achieve any of those ends eh?

The gov shouldnt tax us in the first place you idiot.

If you believe in helping people out then do it. You dont need the government for that, nobody stops you from giving money to charity.

[SharpBoxing]

The govt are going to take your hard earned money in tax of the same amount. Yet you hate the idea of them spending a chunk of that money on you, the people? As opposed to bailing out banks for instance?

I'll try a third time, if not on social welfare at all, how you would have the govt spend the tax it takes that would see the people in your community better off? It's not like they are going to take less tax because they don't spend it on social welfare.

What do you mean? Capitalists want the gov to stay out of our pockets.

If the gov had no money they wouldnt be able to bail out banks.

Bailing out banks is socialism. Not Capitalism

[The iron sheik]

What do you mean? Capitalists want the gov to stay out of our pockets.

If the gov had no money they wouldnt be able to bail out banks.

Bailing out banks is socialism. Not Capitalism

It's amazing how absolutely moronic you can be. I know that simpletons like you like to throw around the words marxism and socialism where ever you like as some pejorative of a kind, but if you'd care to explain to us what is socialistic about turning over public capital into private hands, let's hear it. It's the opposite of anything socialist, regardless of what you feel personally about socialism.

Moron.

[Optional]

The gov shouldnt tax us in the first place you idiot.

If you believe in helping people out then do it. You dont need the government for that, nobody stops you from giving money to charity.

LOL.. so you are for Anarchy eh?

Probably a waste of time to present such a smart guy with an alternate pov, but ce la vie....

I'd much prefer my Australian govt to look after public funds than ANY charity. That industry attracts urgers and scumbags like flies to honey. Part of the brainwashing of America that you guys actually feel guilt if you don't participate in that scam system, and then go tell your friends about it proudly! (and I'm the idiot?)

What do you mean? Capitalists want the gov to stay out of our pockets.

If the gov had no money they wouldnt be able to bail out banks.

Bailing out banks is socialism. Not Capitalism

what does it matter what label you want to put on it? Socialisn, Capitalism, moronism. The vast majority of the population don't understand the differences and then will vehemently use those words like some sort of attack.

They are just economic systems. There is nothing good or evil about any one of them in themselves. It will not hurt America to use a mix of socialist and capitalist ideas.

It's just inane to say "we cant like that good idea because of smacks of evil socialism".




And before you burst a blood vessel and start calling me commie or some other name you have heard Fox news throwing at people they dont like... I am all for small govt and less laws.

I bet you cant even get your head around that concept.

[SharpBoxing]

It's amazing how absolutely moronic you can be. I know that simpletons like you like to throw around the words marxism and socialism where ever you like as some pejorative of a kind, but if you'd care to explain to us what is socialistic about turning over public capital into private hands, let's hear it. It's the opposite of anything socialist, regardless of what you feel personally about socialism.

Moron.

How is the gov stealing money from its people and giving it to banks capitalism? Capitalism is all about keeping the money that you have earned.

Socialism is about The gov stealing peoples money and deciding the best way to spend it for our benefit. If the gov decides that bailing out banks is in our best interest then thats socialism

[SharpBoxing]

Im from Belgium. I dont watch Foxx...

Unlike you i can think for myself. You are the one who is brainwashed. If i was a sheep, i would be a socialist like 99% of the people living here

[SharpBoxing]

Btw the USA is not a capitalist country. Its hasnt been capitalist for decades.

[Optional]

Im from Belgium. I dont watch Foxx...

Unlike you i can think for myself. You are the one who is brainwashed. If i was a sheep, i would be a socialist like 99% of the people living here

Apologies for assuming you are American. (and double apology to my Yank friends for the sleight)

BTW, I'd give up that thinking for yourself stuff. It aint working out well.

Btw the USA is not a capitalist country. Its hasnt been capitalist for decades.

woop de do!

[SharpBoxing]

Apologies for assuming you are American. (and double apology to my Yank friends for the sleight)

BTW, I'd give up that thinking for yourself stuff. It aint working out well.



woop de do!

What part of what i said you dont agree with?

[Optional]

What part of what i said you dont agree with?

Pick any word you like "Unlike you i can think for myself. You are the one who is brainwashed. If i was a sheep, i would be a socialist like 99% of the people living here"








I'm just being flippent and a bit of a troll. You seem to have extreme points of view. I know it's close minded to not care why you think that way, but I just don't want to waste my time discussing foolish stuff seriously.

/trolling

[SharpBoxing]

Pick any word you like "Unlike you i can think for myself. You are the one who is brainwashed. If i was a sheep, i would be a socialist like 99% of the people living here"








I'm just being flippent and a bit of a troll. You seem to have extreme points of view. I know it's close minded to not care why you think that way, but I just don't want to waste my time discussing foolish stuff seriously.

/trolling

Ok but just remember there is nothing as great as individual freedom.

And capitalism equals individual freedom

[guitarjosh]

I'd much prefer my Australian govt to look after public funds than ANY charity. That industry attracts urgers and scumbags like flies to honey

You're saying politics don't attract scumbags? The thing is that if I don't like how a charity used my contributions, I can go to another charity. If I don't like how the gov't spends my taxes, I'm out of luck.

[Optional]

You're saying politics don't attract scumbags? The thing is that if I don't like how a charity used my contributions, I can go to another charity. If I don't like how the gov't spends my taxes, I'm out of luck.

Govt can be voted in and out, and are subject to scrutiny. Not like a charity at all. You can go elsewhere but they are still there sucking money from the naive.

I just do not like the charity industry. Bunch of vultures and professional beggars who at the top often have zero interest in the cause. It's just about creating an un needed middle man industry that devours more than half, and often almost all, of any contributions.

The professional charity collection company that pulled the KONY 2012 scam is a perfect example. Still operating, still collecting millions, still spending it all on making films, traveling the world and partying in San Diego. And there are hundreds like them.

Disgraceful situation that I would shut down or regulate heavily if I was ever in govt.

[guitarjosh]

Govt can be voted in and out, and are subject to scrutiny. Not like a charity at all. You can go elsewhere but they are still there sucking money from the naive.

I just do not like the charity industry. Bunch of vultures and professional beggars who at the top often have zero interest in the cause. It's just about creating an un needed middle man industry that devours more than half, and often almost all, of any contributions.

The professional charity collection company that pulled the KONY 2012 scam is a perfect example. Still operating, still collecting millions, still spending it all on making films, traveling the world and partying in San Diego. And there are hundreds like them.

Disgraceful situation that I would shut down or regulate heavily if I was ever in govt.

Charities are subject much scrutiny. I look at watchdog sites to find out which ones I will donate too. Yes some have abused donations, but that doesn't take away from all the good they've done. As far as voting politicians out, I don't know what it is like in your country, but in USA, there 535 members of congress, and I can vote for 3 of them. Those odds aren't in my favor, unlike charities, where even if there are no good ones, I can start my own.

[Optional]

Charities are subject much scrutiny. I look at watchdog sites to find out which ones I will donate too. Yes some have abused donations, but that doesn't take away from all the good they've done. As far as voting politicians out, I don't know what it is like in your country, but in USA, there 535 members of congress, and I can vote for 3 of them. Those odds aren't in my favor, unlike charities, where even if there are no good ones, I can start my own.

You're right. Many people involved in charities care for the cause. And I'm sure many do some good as well.

The almost purely commercial focus professional charity collection industry does take away from the good the rest do though imho. Look how it has left me for one.

[The iron sheik]

How is the gov stealing money from its people and giving it to banks capitalism? Capitalism is all about keeping the money that you have earned.

Socialism is about The gov stealing peoples money and deciding the best way to spend it for our benefit. If the gov decides that bailing out banks is in our best interest then thats socialism

I didn't say it is capitalism.

What I did say is that it isn't socialism. You seriously have to be extremely stupid to suggest that a government funneling tax payer money to a wealthy elite of bankers to pay for the bill of their failed entrepreneurship is socialism by any standard of the word. It either tells the reader that you are severely retarded, or that you do not have the slightest clue on what socialism actually means. It doesn't take a socialist to recognize that. I'd assume there are zero actually socialist people in the gambling business, book or player. Idiots however, they are numerous.

[SharpBoxing]

I didn't say it is capitalism.

What I did say is that it isn't socialism. You seriously have to be extremely stupid to suggest that a government funneling tax payer money to a wealthy elite of bankers to pay for the bill of their failed entrepreneurship is socialism by any standard of the word. It either tells the reader that you are severely retarded, or that you do not have the slightest clue on what socialism actually means. It doesn't take a socialist to recognize that. I'd assume there are zero actually socialist people in the gambling business, book or player. Idiots however, they are numerous.

Maybe its not supposed to be socialism. But if you give the government the power to steal money from its people ( socialism). Then eventually that money will go to the people who are the most politically connected (banks in this case).

[SharpBoxing]

Therefore we need more capitalism and less socialism.

The less money the government has, the less money corrupt politicians can give out to their politically connected friends

[The iron sheik]

Maybe its not supposed to be socialism. But if you give the government the power to steal money from its people ( socialism). Then eventually that money will go to the people who are the most politically connected (banks in this case).

Yes, and up is down and left is right. Just because you say so without understanding the definitions you use.

Here's an idea, why don't you read something?

[SharpBoxing]

Yes, and up is down and left is right. Just because you say so without understanding the definitions you use.

Here's an idea, why don't you read something?

What part of what I said you dont agree with?

The part that socialism is theft?
Or the part were I said if you give government money eventually that money will go to the people who are politically connected( like the banks for example)

[rkelly110]

Sheik, the guy you are arguing with is going to school for........economics. Mom and dad pay for him to go.
He disagrees with what he's being taught. A complete waist of money, time and resources IMO.

[SharpBoxing]

Sheik, the guy you are arguing with is going to school for........economics. Mom and dad pay for him to go.
He disagrees with what he's being taught. A complete waist of money, time and resources IMO.

Again what part of what I said you dont agree with?

The part that socialism is theft?
Or the part were I said if you give government money eventually that money will go to the people who are politically connected( like the banks for example)

[rkelly110]

You do know just about everyone (banks, auto industry) who received govt funds, was a loan to be paid back
with interest, right? The govt INVESTED in them for a return on investment, like you would buying stock.

THAT, my friend is not Socialism, it's Capitalism.

[SharpBoxing]

You do know just about everyone (banks, auto industry) who received govt funds, was a loan to be paid back
with interest, right? The govt INVESTED in them for a return on investment, like you would buying stock.

THAT, my friend is not Socialism, it's Capitalism.

No in capitalism the gov has no right to steal money from people and invest it the way politicians think is best. Because politicians will invest that money with people who are politically connected.

In capitalism people invest their own money the way they want it

[Optional]

I think you might be more a collectivist than a capitalist Sharpboxing

[SharpBoxing]

I think you might be more a collectivist than a capitalist Sharpboxing

Think you dont understand capitalism.

And im everything but a collectivist

[irish1]

This article where orders emerge
Australia’s minimum wage

by Russ Roberts on <abbr title="2013-03-01" class="published">March 1, 2013</abbr>
in Work

A number of people have asked me (Russ) about Australia’s minimum wage. It’s $15.96 an hour. Yet the unemployment rate in Australia is only 5.4%. The implication is that maybe the minimum wage doesn’t have the effects it is alleged to have.
Could be–maybe the laws of economics don’t apply to Australia. Or maybe the laws of economics don’t apply in countries that start with an “A.” Or maybe the world is a complicated place and you have to think carefully about how it works.
My first thought is to wonder how the minimum wage is enforced. Does it apply to all jobs? I know it doesn’t apply to all ages at the same rate–younger workers confront a lower minimum wage:

For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.

But still, every one over 20 years of age earns at least $15.59 per hour? Shouldn’t that lead to more unemployment than 5.4is a little old but it shows the scale for minimum wage for age groups. Don't think that everyone who works gets 16.88 per hour.

[rkelly110]

What goes around comes around. Japan in the day was the China today. Japan now has high wages.
China's labor force is already demanding higher wages. With the high cost of fuel to ship overseas,
companies who moved to China are moving back. Not too many countries to exploit anymore, soon
the worlds wages will equal out.