150 years ago today, the turning point of the Civil War and a nation: Gettysburg

[Let's Go Rangers]

How much would be different if the Confederate army had won?

One thing that is quite possible, troublemakers like Trayvon Martin might not have been running through backyards in the rain and looking in peoples windows...and then assaulting honorable law abiding citizens like George Zimmerman....

no, people like Trayvon Martin might be well behaved

[PhillyFlyers]

Agree.

Funny thing is, the South was correct in it's position politically.

My friends always laughed when I said if I lived back in the days of the Civil War I would have fought for the South.

They laughed and told me How? You were born in Philadelphia. I said I don't give a fukk where I was born one side was right and the other side was wrong.

[dante1]

Agree.

Funny thing is, the South was correct in it's position politically.

My friends always laughed when I said if I lived back in the days of the Civil War I would have fought for the South.

They laughed and told me How? You were born in Philadelphia. I said I don't give a fukk where I was born one side was right and the other side was wrong.

I think this is the same guy that told me a bunch of months back that Jesus Christ is the only savior. So obviously this guy considers himself a Christian, now reconcile that with this quote. Go ahead.

[Let's Go Rangers]

the North had industry, the south had farming....

if the nation had split both could have survived on their own

[daneblazer]

17 years ago will smith and Jeff goldblum repelled an alien invasion. The world would be different had they failed. Never forget

[Let's Go Rangers]

17 years ago will smith and Jeff goldblum repelled an alien invasion. The world would be different had they failed. Never forget

if that movie came out these days I think the theater would erupt in cheers when the White House gets blasted

[Mills]

People like Trayvon might be well behaved ,but what about people like :

[SamDiamond]

Agree.

Funny thing is, the South was correct in it's position politically.

My friends always laughed when I said if I lived back in the days of the Civil War I would have fought for the South.

They laughed and told me How? You were born in Philadelphia. I said I don't give a fukk where I was born one side was right and the other side was wrong.

Oh, this I have to read.

How was the south correct in its position politically?

[SamDiamond]

How much would be different if the Confederate army had won?

One thing that is quite possible, troublemakers like Trayvon Martin might not have been running through backyards in the rain and looking in peoples windows...and then assaulting honorable law abiding citizens like George Zimmerman....

no, people like Trayvon Martin might be well behaved

You're a legitimate piece of fuking work.

You do realize Gettysburg was not fought on July 4th, correct?

Vicksburg was.

The turning point, if there was one at Gettysburg- was July 3rd. And Gettysburg, while important, shared that stage with Vicksburg.

And why is it I am not surprised that you ran away from your country.

And, tell the board again how you are "retired law enforcement".

[Let's Go Rangers]

battle was from July 1st to July 3rd if I remember my schooling correctly so on the 4th the victory was sealed because there was no longer a battle, the Confederate Army was in retreat

why do you think there are civil war reenactments going on right now in Gettysburg

[SamDiamond]

battle was from July 1st to July 3rd if I remember my schooling correctly so on the 4th the victory was sealed because there was no longer a battle, the Confederate Army was in retreat

why do you think there are civil war reenactments going on right now in Gettysburg

Let me go slowly.

Gettysburg was a victory point for the north, but if you don't understand the importance of Vicksburg-- You really do need to return to school.

You can't take Gettysburg as a singularity and say "this was the turning point" without recognizing Grant's takeover of Vicksburg and why that was a much more significant loss for the South.

[Let's Go Rangers]

battle was from July 1st to July 3rd if I remember my schooling correctly so on the 4th the victory was sealed because there was no longer a battle, the Confederate Army was in retreat

why do you think there are civil war reenactments going on right now in Gettysburg

In other words let me reword this so even someone as stupid as you can understand ...


At Gettysburg:
Was there fighting on the 1st?
How about the 2nd?
3rd?

How about the 4th?

The battle is won when there is no more fighting correct

Most people wouldn't clarify something as a turning point until after a victory

[Let's Go Rangers]

Let me go slowly.

Gettysburg was a victory point for the north, but if you don't understand the importance of Vicksburg-- You really do need to return to school.

You can't take Gettysburg as a singularity and say "this was the turning point" without recognizing Grant's takeover of Vicksburg and why that was a much more significant loss for the South.

If I recall correctly it was Pickett's charge that was repelled that many consider a turning point.
Then on July 4, with no more fighting at Gettysburg, the war had turned

of course there were more important battles after that, I don't think anybody would dispute that

[SamDiamond]

In other words let me reword this so even someone as stupid as you can understand ...


At Gettysburg:
Was there fighting on the 1st?
How about the 2nd?
3rd?

How about the 4th?

The battle is won when there is no more fighting correct

Most people wouldn't clarify something as a turning point until after a victory

The moment Pickett's Charge failed on the 3rd--- The Gettysburg Battle was over. The north had won.

Let me ask you this.

June 6th 1944. D-Day.

Do you refer to June 7th as the turning point of WW2?

I'm guessing by your logic, the answer is yes?

[SamDiamond]

If I recall correctly it was Pickett's charge that was repelled that many consider a turning point.

of course there were more important battles after that, I don't think anybody would dispute that

I'll educate you for free.

Next time, you have to pay for it.

Union Major Ulysses S. Grant, began the Siege of Vicksburg 6 weeks before the Battle of Gettysburg.

40 days later on July 4th, 1863, The South surrendered Vicksburg.

Why is this important? Because it gave the Union Army complete control of the Mississippi River.

Now that is a turning point. The only significance of Gettysburg (outside of the ridiculous number of lives lost) was Lee got his ass kicked for the first time.

[Let's Go Rangers]

Good news,

Im sure will be in here shortly to give you a handjob, I just won't see it because I have him on ignore while I'm here in the states.

Otherwise I would spend all day pwning him like I did last night and just about every time he engages me @ SBR

[Let's Go Rangers]

I can continue this discussion later tonight ( if I'm sober enough )
right now heading out on the Potomac for a long afternoon of drinking and fun and then watching the fireworks tonight

[dante1]

I can continue this discussion later tonight ( if I'm sober enough )
right now heading out on the Potomac for a long afternoon of drinking and fun and then watching the fireworks tonight

Have a ton of fun and be safe you might want to take an old law text from JJ and check it out. Drunk or not you will realize you fcked it up. Will you admit, no you are much like the man with no honor.

Also be thankful I will not comment on this error again no matter how much you deny it and no matter how you decorate your comments with such pretty crayon icons.

[TheRifleman]

Have a ton of fun and be safe you might want to take an old law text from JJ and check it out. Drunk or not you will realize you fcked it up. Will you admit, no you are much like the man with no honor.

Also be thankful I will not comment on this error again no matter how much you deny it and no matter how you decorate your comments with such pretty crayon icons.

will you be molesting children again today, or do you respect the July 4th holiday?

[TheRifleman]

In other words let me reword this so even someone as stupid as you can understand ...


At Gettysburg:
Was there fighting on the 1st?
How about the 2nd?
3rd?

How about the 4th?

The battle is won when there is no more fighting correct

Most people wouldn't clarify something as a turning point until after a victory

GAME

SET

MATCH


He's soooooooooooooooo dumb!


I feel a little bad , it's like debating a mental retard....come on now.

[Andy117]

GAME

SET

MATCH


He's soooooooooooooooo dumb!


I feel a little bad , it's like debating a mental retard....come on now.

You're so pathetic. He's not correct. The battle was won on the 3rd.

[Let's Go Rangers]

I'll educate you for free.

Next time, you have to pay for it.

Union Major Ulysses S. Grant, began the Siege of Vicksburg 6 weeks before the Battle of Gettysburg.

40 days later on July 4th, 1863, The South surrendered Vicksburg.

Why is this important? Because it gave the Union Army complete control of the Mississippi River.

Now that is a turning point. The only significance of Gettysburg (outside of the ridiculous number of lives lost) was Lee got his ass kicked for the first time.

Ken Burns and PBS disagree

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/classroom/episode5.html

This episode opens with a dramatic account of the turning point of war: the Battle of Gettysburg, the greatest ever fought in the Western Hemisphere. For three days 150,000 men will fight to the death in the Pennsylvania countryside, culminating in Pickett’s legendary charge. This extended episode then goes on to chronicle the fall of Vicksburg, the New York draft riots, the first use of black troops, and the western battles at Chickamauga, Georgia and Chattanooga, Tennessee. The episode closes with the dedication of a new Union cemetery at Gettysburg in November, where Abraham Lincoln struggles to put into words what is happening to his people.

[Let's Go Rangers]

I think he is considered a well researched authority.

So not that "the turning point" is settled it's just down to an opinion.

I feel that the first day free of battle proves a side won, you disagree.

My stalkers will agree with you most likely, but that doesn't prove anything.

Long day out on the boat tired from the sun and drinking.

I'm going to bed.
Normally I would read 's posts to fall asleep but he is blocked while I am here in the States so I don't spend too much time owning him....

anyway, tonight the alcohol will put me to sleep

[greenhippo]

I'd argue Antietam was a larger event than Vicksburg and up there near Gettysburg.

[Let's Go Rangers]

Ken Burns and PBS disagree

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/classroom/episode5.html

This episode opens with a dramatic account of the turning point of war: the Battle of Gettysburg, the greatest ever fought in the Western Hemisphere. For three days 150,000 men will fight to the death in the Pennsylvania countryside, culminating in Pickett’s legendary charge. This extended episode then goes on to chronicle the fall of Vicksburg, the New York draft riots, the first use of black troops, and the western battles at Chickamauga, Georgia and Chattanooga, Tennessee. The episode closes with the dedication of a new Union cemetery at Gettysburg in November, where Abraham Lincoln struggles to put into words what is happening to his people.

[SamDiamond]

I'll do you one better.

If you have seen Burns' "The Civil War", then the name Shelby Foote should ring a bell.

Burns used Foote's work, through his 3-volume 2500 page volume, to having Foote describe the events of the Civil War.

Foote wrote a great piece about Vicksburg, and calls Vicksburg the most pivotal moment of the Civil War.

http://thecivil-war.com/the-beleaguered-city-vicksburg-by-shelby-foote/

So, let's examine it.

We have Shelby Foote (who Burns himself used as the keynote source material for his documentary), or your opinion.

I've provided a link for you. It may be the best book ever written about the Vicksburg Siege.

[Let's Go Rangers]

Ken Burns specifically used the phrase " turning point " when talking about Gettysburg.

I don't see where this lady use that phrase while talking about Vicksburg, so I'm not sure how you are proving your point of view or disproving mine

[dante1]

I think he is considered a well researched authority.

So not that "the turning point" is settled it's just down to an opinion.

I feel that the first day free of battle proves a side won, you disagree.

My stalkers will agree with you most likely, but that doesn't prove anything.

Long day out on the boat tired from the sun and drinking.

I'm going to bed.
Normally I would read 's posts to fall asleep but he is blocked while I am here in the States so I don't spend too much time owning him....

anyway, tonight the alcohol will put me to sleep

you phrased it perfectly "you don't spend too much time owning him" but to be completely 100% correct it isn't too much time owning me it is no time owning me. the only thing you own is an inferiority complex and a very low IQ that is what you and rifle own mr loon. I see you even admit to it here. lol you are such a loon. think a bit before you post because you so often fck it up, did you notice that?

[dante1]

one might think considering the number of posts by the loon and rifle they would get it right, nope they often report facts that are not in play, or stories that they manipulate, complete lies or some type of bs. In the end they constantly fck it up, they manage to fck it up somehow? notice that?! they lack credibility just think how many times these two have been caught in either bs, lies or manipulated facts, my god it happens all the time. how do they respond, do they admit to the crime, nope they simply ignore it and proceed to the next story. how many times have you noticed that. listen I don't read anywhere near all their bs, why would I it is often just complete bs. so I dont catch even half of it. you guys that read it all know exactly what I am talking about. why do you think that very few people support rifle, and the guys that do will happily trade accuracy and morality for political gain.

[dante1]

You're a legitimate piece of fuking work.

You do realize Gettysburg was not fought on July 4th, correct?

Vicksburg was.


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The turning point, if there was one at Gettysburg- was July 3rd. And Gettysburg, while important, shared that stage with Vicksburg.

And why is it I am not surprised that you ran away from your country.

And, tell the board again how you are "retired law enforcement".

he is retired law like rifle has advanced degrees.

as I said a dozen times they almost always fck it up, they attempt to make a point and fck it up somehow. the loon has some learning disabilities this is self admitted so it is almost unfair to expose his stupid ass, the rifle well my god he is simply an idiot. Can you imagine these two guys constantly, almost always searching the net for articles that support their moronic views? If you think about it, it is sad, they get their pleasure by posting bs on a gambling forum. this to me is a "do it once in a while" for laughs. but these guys this is their life, this is what they live for. just think about that for a minute or two. Two kids that never achieved anything of value in their life, nothing and this is what they have substituted for some fame. lol

[SamDiamond]

Ken Burns specifically used the phrase " turning point " when talking about Gettysburg.

I don't see where this lady use that phrase while talking about Vicksburg, so I'm not sure how you are proving your point of view or disproving mine

Shelby Foote is a man.

You've seen Burn's documentary haven't you?

[Let's Go Rangers]

I think I did, not sure...but I think I listened to audio book

[dante1]

Shelby Foote is a man.

You've seen Burn's documentary haven't you?

I did not teach American History but I often taught advanced seniors and had occasion to speak about the Civil War, I always got full attention when I read them a letter written by Sullivan Ballou to his wife. This was quite a letter and proved to these kids that the guys fighting in this war had tremendous courage and it also illustrated that although quite a long time in the past these people were not illiterate and capable of composing a beautiful, well thought out letter. I told them to compare this love letter to something they might compose to their favorite girl.

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/ballou_letter.html

[dante1]

probably read and reread this letter 100 times or more and it never fails to move me.