Should Abortion be Illegal?

[Kermit]

I respect your opinions and thoughts on this Seaweed. I just don't agree 100% with all of them.

[Seaweed]

human sperm has a chance, but it is not life. When the sperm joins the egg in the ovum life has begun. If its moving, if its growing, isnt it alive?

[Stockdale]

At the moment of conception, our genetic make up is confirmed. It has our gender, eye color, and our DNA. The embryo makes up our intrinsic substance of who we are. Within weeks, we get a brain, then heart and we consistently DEVELOP. It is the human process of development. To discriminate based on our level of development, is to discriminate based on age and a claim that the old can kill the young because they are less developed than them, with less abilities. We do not kill infants for being less developed, so we cannot draw a line on it to use it to justify what makes someone a human and valuable. What makes someone a valuable human is having distinct human nature, because that is common to all of us from womb to tomb. Level of development differs based on age.

Your lack of common sense is strong.

Like i said, a sperm is considered alive - so what is your stance on that?

What happens if your 7yo daughter is raped and falls pregnant? Do you make her keep it?

[Seaweed]

I respect your opinions and thoughts on this Seaweed. I just don't agree 100% with all of them.

That's fine. It would be ignorant of me to think everyone shares the exact same thoughts but i just wanted to express my opinions and that at the very least, there needs to be restrictions because here in Canada anyone, for any reason, even a 16 year old girl without parental consent, with no education on the matter, can have an abortion. I think the problem that needs to be fixed are the situations that lead to thought of abortion in the first place. Society is where the problem is.

[Seaweed]

Your lack of common sense is strong.

Like i said, a sperm is considered alive - so what is your stance on that?

What happens if your 7yo daughter is raped and falls pregnant? Do you make her keep it?

A sperm is not a human. Humans have a right to life.

I would make her adopt it.

Adopting is better than killing, wouldn't you agree?

[Stockdale]

human sperm has a chance, but it is not life. When the sperm joins the egg in the ovum life has begun. If its moving, if its growing, isnt it alive?

It is classified as alive.

[Stockdale]

A sperm is not a human. Humans have a right to life.

I would make her adopt it.

Adopting is better than killing, wouldn't you agree?

Only humans have a right to life? What about insects and the like?

The fact you spout off all these rants of people being inhumane yet you state that you would do that to your own infant daughter shows how inhumane you are as a person.

[Seaweed]

Only humans have a right to life? What about insects and the like?

The fact you spout off all these rants of people being inhumane yet you state that you would do that to your own infant daughter shows how inhumane you are as a person.

How is adopting inhumane? I said i would not kill her.

Just because something is alive, doesn't mean it's human.

Sperm is not human. At conception, we have a human.

This is about saving lives.

Humans have a right to life, and we all have human value. Nobody is less valuable based on their appearance. If i crumpled up a 5 dollar bill, does the value and identity of what it is change? No, just the appearance. We are called to stewardship and to care for all of God's creation. We should not kill animals, but human nature is distinct from those of animals. Humans are more valuable than animals. We ground up cows for burgers, but we dont do that to infants.

[joeyd2232]

Don't give a fukk what you think is wrong, your \*\*\*\*\*\* opinions aren't facts sweetheart.

Sorry hunnie. Are you saying that it doesn't tale both genders to create a baby?

[Stockdale]

How is adopting inhumane? I said i would not kill her.

Just because something is alive, doesn't mean it's human.

Sperm is not human. At conception, we have a human.

This is about saving lives.

Humans have a right to life, and we all have human value. Nobody is less valuable based on their appearance. If i crumpled up a 5 dollar bill, does the value and identity of what it is change? No, just the appearance. We are called to stewardship and to care for all of God's creation. We should not kill animals, but human nature is distinct from those of animals. Humans are more valuable than animals. We ground up cows for burgers, but we dont do that to infants.

Dont even try to argue points that you know are not relevant. You know the adoption part is not the inhumane part, the simple fact that you would force your 7yo daughter who has been raped go through with the excruciating and traumatising process of having a child shows you are either a terrible human being or dont have a daughter of your own and are just saying this to back up your original and stubborn opinion.

No we do not have a human at conception. We have the basis for what could grow into a human, much like what a sperm has the opportunity to do. Are you happy for people to just kill sperm and end any chance they had at becoming a person?

Also why is it so important for you to only save a life once it is classified as a human? Do the unborn of other species not have such a right?

[Stockdale]

Oh wait just saw your god reference *sigh*

[Dutch]

So an innocent human being does not have the right to life because the means of how he came into existence did not have the mothers consent? Does that really justify killing an innocent human life? I mean, do two wrongs make a right? If a mother had a baby because of rape, would she be allowed to kill it right after birth? Or would that be wrong?

You must be one of those libtard pieces of shit that wants the government to tell us how to live.

[KingJD31]

Comparing humans to insects, deff voted for obama

Only humans have a right to life? What about insects and the like?

The fact you spout off all these rants of people being inhumane yet you state that you would do that to your own infant daughter shows how inhumane you are as a person.

[greenhippo]

Sorry hunnie. Are you saying that it doesn't tale both genders to create a baby?

Guy thinks a man carries the baby inside him for 9 months.

[zizoudane10]

If your wife/girlfriend/daughter/sister were gang raped, my guess is you'd change your tune pretty fast...

Seaweed, study philosophy like I did, or better don't talk about "philosophical points"

"Gods creation"? Oh well, okay, the discussion is over before it really started.

[Stockdale]

Comparing humans to insects, deff voted for obama

deff not even a part of your shitty country

[The Giant]

Two crackhead teenagers have sex, the girl becomes pregnant, and the tests show that the baby will be born brain-dead.

Do we abort, Seaweed?

[Seaweed]

Dont even try to argue points that you know are not relevant. You know the adoption part is not the inhumane part, the simple fact that you would force your 7yo daughter who has been raped go through with the excruciating and traumatising process of having a child shows you are either a terrible human being or dont have a daughter of your own and are just saying this to back up your original and stubborn opinion.

No we do not have a human at conception. We have the basis for what could grow into a human, much like what a sperm has the opportunity to do. Are you happy for people to just kill sperm and end any chance they had at becoming a person?

Also why is it so important for you to only save a life once it is classified as a human? Do the unborn of other species not have such a right?

1. SCIENTIFIC FACT: Human Life begins at conception. Read a book. Look at every biology book in schools. This is indisputable. Once again, you point to an extreme case of a 7 year old to legalize abortion for all. First off, everything should be done to protect the 7 year old. She should be treated and the baby should NOT be aborted. How can you be inhumane for protecting and respecting someones right to life? If the baby dies while treating the 7 year old it is indirect abortion, not induced. You have reading to do.

[joeyd2232]

Guy thinks a man carries the baby inside him for 9 months.

Guy never said anything of the sort. You said it was an opinion that both genders are needed to create a child. Didn't daddy have the talk with you yet? I definitely believe there are extreme circumstances such as rape and the health of the mother but other than that people need to be responsible for their actions

[KingJD31]

Shitty country, yet you have a south park avatar (American) while posting on an American website, nice.

deff not even a part of your shitty country

[Seaweed]

Two crackhead teenagers have sex, the girl becomes pregnant, and the tests show that the baby will be born brain-dead.

Do we abort, Seaweed?

Nobody appears pregnant, there is a consent between two people that come with it and the responsibility and duty as a parent to provide it with the necessities of survival. Like i said, is it right for a couple to kill their infant if they are mentally retarded? If both are human, then it would follow that it is wrong to kill humans because of their lack of mental capability. If it is our mind that makes use human, that you suggest, then when a person with split personalities goes to a therapist to be treated, would that person be killing humans when being treated? Clearly not. We are not out mind. Even though it would be sad, it does not give us the right to kill a human and prevent their future because of it. Our abilities do not define us. There have been miracles where even a baby would improve their condition after years. What gives us the right to prevent their future?

[Stockdale]

1. SCIENTIFIC FACT: Human Life begins at conception. Read a book. Look at every biology book in schools. This is indisputable. Once again, you point to an extreme case of a 7 year old to legalize abortion for all. First off, everything should be done to protect the 7 year old. She should be treated and the baby should NOT be aborted. How can you be inhumane for protecting and respecting someones right to life? If the baby dies while treating the 7 year old it is indirect abortion, not induced. You have reading to do.

You sir are a penetrating idiot.

"you point to an extreme case of a 7 year old to legalize abortion for all"

Um no, actually read what im posting you sorry excuse for a person. I said that its not a case of black and white or all or nothing in regards to it. You see not everyone see's the world like you. I stated that there infact should be strict laws involved on who should be able to abort and that its these "extreme" cases which should be allowed.

You are inhumane for what you would put your own daughter through, not only dont i agree with your thought process anymore but you have completely lost all respect because of that one statement.

[The Giant]

Nobody appears pregnant, there is a consent between two people that come with it and the responsibility and duty as a parent to provide it with the necessities of survival. Like i said, is it right for a couple to kill their infant if they are mentally retarded? If both are human, then it would follow that it is wrong to kill humans because of their lack of mental capability. If it is our mind that makes use human, that you suggest, then when a person with split personalities goes to a therapist to be treated, would that person be killing humans when being treated? Clearly not. We are not out mind. Even though it would be sad, it does not give us the right to kill a human and prevent their future because of it. Our abilities do not define us. There have been miracles where even a baby would improve their condition after years. What gives us the right to prevent their future?

It was a yes or no question.

[Sacrelicious]

Honestly, once every 3 days.

This is almost certainly the problem.

My condolences.

[Stockdale]

Nobody appears pregnant, there is a consent between two people that come with it and the responsibility and duty as a parent to provide it with the necessities of survival. Like i said, is it right for a couple to kill their infant if they are mentally retarded? If both are human, then it would follow that it is wrong to kill humans because of their lack of mental capability. If it is our mind that makes use human, that you suggest, then when a person with split personalities goes to a therapist to be treated, would that person be killing humans when being treated? Clearly not. We are not out mind. Even though it would be sad, it does not give us the right to kill a human and prevent their future because of it. Our abilities do not define us. There have been miracles where even a baby would improve their condition after years. What gives us the right to prevent their future?

He said brain dead, not mentally challenged champ

If a man is in a car crash and being kept alive by a machine because he suffered extreme brain damage then it is legal to "pull the chord"

[Dutch]

Force a young black girl to keep the baby, but when she asks for food stamps to help feed the baby, call her a monkey and an animal and tell her next time keep her fuking legs closed. Whore.

[zizoudane10]

He said brain dead, not mentally challenged champ

If a man is in a car crash and being kept alive by a machine because he suffered extreme brain damage then it is legal to "pull the chord"

[Seaweed]

You sir are a penetrating idiot.

"you point to an extreme case of a 7 year old to legalize abortion for all"

Um no, actually read what im posting you sorry excuse for a person. I said that its not a case of black and white or all or nothing in regards to it. You see not everyone see's the world like you. I stated that there infact should be strict laws involved on who should be able to abort and that its these "extreme" cases which should be allowed.

You are inhumane for what you would put your own daughter through, not only dont i agree with your thought process anymore but you have completely lost all respect because of that one statement.

It's not a thought process, i am consistent with my reasoning that we do not kill innocent human beings. What's worse suffering or killing? If we were to dispose all problems in society because they are seen as burdens, sick, old, mentally ill, would that be right? But their suffering? I would not be proud to put my daughter through it but i would not be proud for my daughter to kill a human being inside her, and have to grow up knowing that I prevented a life from being born. That is worse. There are medications to help.

[The Giant]

Seaweed, do you feel the US government was in the wrong when they decided to pull the plug on Terri Schiavo after she was brain-dead for more than 15 years?

[Seaweed]

It was a yes or no question.

Abortion should NEVER be allowed.

[Seaweed]

Seaweed, do you feel the US government was in the wrong when they decided to pull the plug on Terri Schiavo after she was brain-dead for more than 15 years?

Everybody has the right to a natural birth and natural death. We should not prevent one's life and interfere in the process to play God.

[joeyd2232]

Force a young black girl to keep the baby, but when she asks for food stamps to help feed the baby, call her a monkey and an animal and tell her next time keep her fuking legs closed. Whore.

She could just get a job to feed the baby. My grandparents ony dads side had 13 children, only my grandfather worked. No food stamps were needed. Its very possible

[Seaweed]

This thread is about Abortion not Euthanasia.

[Stockdale]

Abortion should NEVER be allowed.

I dont envy the way you see the world

[Stockdale]

This thread is about Abortion not Euthanasia.

and the white flag has been hoisted

Im out.