Question to all Catholics

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 03:04 PM

I don't believe any of that stuff,

but to answer your question....

I just stick around for the innocent young butt holes

RogueScholar · 02-21-13, 03:09 PM

Your comparison isn't valid, since the Pope isn't leaving the faith, he's simply acquiescing to the fact that the job requires more than he can give at his age.

That being said, I left the faith several years ago after a lifetime of devout service and my life continues to improve because of it. I no longer accept that things are unfolding as they are intended to and actually go out and try to change the world and my own circumstances everyday. If more people would follow suit, I think we'd all have a great deal to show for it.

Jayvegas420 · 02-21-13, 03:09 PM

I wasn't aware you were a practicing priest Archie?!

Jayvegas420 · 02-21-13, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by RogueScholar

Your comparison isn't valid, since the Pope isn't leaving the faith, he's simply acquiescing to the fact that the job requires more than he can give at his age.

That being said, I left the faith several years ago after a lifetime of devout service and my life continues to improve because of it. I no longer accept that things are unfolding as they are intended to and actually go out and try to change the world and my own circumstances everyday. If more people would follow suit, I think we'd all have a great deal to show for it.

I've heard that the Vatican has said that the Pope is stepping down to relax & do more praying.
Isn't that all the pope really does anyway?

Jayvegas420 · 02-21-13, 03:13 PM

All the Popes have been old.
Everyone of them for the last 600 years.
There's something that we still don't know about this & I'll bet -1000 that it's disturbing and sick.
-2000 it has to do with

RogueScholar · 02-21-13, 03:16 PM

Not at all, Jay. The Pope is the head of state for Vatican City, with all of the duties that entails. He's also the sole doctrinal authority for nearly a billion Catholics. In addition, he is the Bishop of Rome, responsible for the souls in that Diocese and the day-to-day operation of all the churches in the area.

Most taxing of all, he has to travel all over the place these days. Nothing opens a Catholic's wallet like a pilgrimage by the Pope himself to your area. Put all of this together and it's easily the work of four or five vigorous adult men or women.

muldoon · 02-21-13, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

I've heard that the Vatican has said that the Pope is stepping down to relax & do more praying.

He also won't be leaving the legal safety of the vatican. Convenient for those who shielded pedophiles.

Jayvegas420 · 02-21-13, 03:20 PM

But we both know it would never be a woman
The church discriminates against women, and still to this day holds them in a lower regard than men.
There could never be a woman cardinal or woman priest.
It sorta reminds me of other bodies that treat women like this.
Including the Military & the Taliban.

RogueScholar · 02-21-13, 03:25 PM

The Catholic Church will be ordaining women to Holy Orders within our lifetime, Jay, mark my words. Women have always driven the spiritual devotion of the family unit, and with the Anglican Communion offering a community that treats women as equals (with only superficial doctrinal differences), the Catholics will have no choice but to follow suit just to remain competitive for female devotion. You'll see it come to a head in the next decade, I'd guess, once the women of Generation X reach the age where they're interested in serving on parish councils and are reevaluating the spiritual world they're leaving for their grandkids.

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 03:27 PM

rs tell Jay about all the gay sex that was going on amongst the future priests during your stint at Seminary

RogueScholar · 02-21-13, 03:36 PM

I'll leave that to you, Archie. One would easily conclude that you live to bump threads and use the search function.

Nothing in Jay's thread has anything to do with gay sex or seminaries, but since you're salivating over something posted in the past, you want to make the thread about that instead. We've seen it all a million times from you, it's nothing to get excited about.

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

But we both know it would never be a woman
The church discriminates against women, and still to this day holds them in a lower regard than men.
There could never be a woman cardinal or woman priest.
It sorta reminds me of other bodies that treat women like this.
Including the Military & the Taliban.

give em 200 years. its amazing how far many institutions have come from old standards and taboos

Seaweed · 02-21-13, 04:38 PM

It's amazing the ignorance people have in this thread about what Catholicism is, and what Catholic Social Teaching is all about. I highly recommend you guys to open up the Catechism of the Catholic Church because there is a great sense of confusion amongst you all.

This thread is very sad to read because it is the product of a moral relativist society that has been shaped by neo-athesits caught up in the Dawkins school of thought. There is no sense of an objective right and wrong anymore. People are doing what they please and what they think is right for them. This is a downward spiral with a bleek future. The Church is the only thing saving the Western World from collapsing. I would like to make a few clarifications about the Catholic Church:

Women will NEVER be able to become a Priest within the Catholic Church. This is unchangeable. So erase this idea out of your head. Second, Jesus chose 12 male disciples, not female. He could of very well chosen females but he did not.

Second, RogueScholar was accurate in his explanation on why the Pope stepped down due to health reasons, but he drifted off into a moronic conclusion. The Pope did something unprecedented until 600 years ago. He intentionally stepped down. Numerous signs were pointing to this well in advance besides his deteriorating health. Just to clarify, a Pope is not required to hold the position until death. If a Pope is physically and emotionally incapable of serving, then he is recommended to step down. When Pope John Paul II died, his physical condition was at a very low point. He was suffering the conditions of old age evident by his inability to remain stable, and his drooling during prayers. Although many admired his bravery to continue, this was hard to watch for those in his presence, especially the ones closest to him, like Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) When Ratzinger became Pope, he made it clear in several interviews that if he ever became physically and emotionally incapable in dealing with the demands of the postion he would consider stepping down gracefully. His decision to step down should be admired. He would of stepped down earlier, but the Church was in the middle of the abuse scandal and it would have not been the right time to step down. His strategic decision to announce his decision just before lent is a message to all Catholics. The new Pope will most probably be younger, but don't expect any new decisions like the one brought up here to change. The Church is based on canon law. In over 2000 years, the infallibility of the Popes have been proven by 0 contradictions in their moral teachings. The Church will never teach error, because it is founded by Jesus and guided by the Holy Spirit. This does not mean that there haven't been bad Popes, there have been. But this does nothing to discredit the Catholic Church's mission an teaching, as well as the teachings of Christ. Every human being is prone to sin because of our inherent human nature. There will always be a few bad apples, but as Jesus said on the universal Church he founded, will not teach error.He also made clear that "the gates of hell will not prevail against it". The actions by a few bad Priests and Popes do not do anything to de-legitimize the Truth about the Catholic Church that Jesus founded on Peter. No other institution has survived 2,000 years like the Church. This alone proves its divine nature.

"the Church discriminates women" Totally moronic comment. The Church is against abortion, pornography, pre-marital sex, condoms, etc.

The Church works to preserve the female body, not objectify it sexually. The Church respects all humans, despite race, gender, or stage of development. The Church was a major encourager of sciences, it started the University system, it is by far the largest charity donator on earth, it is on the front-lines in Africa each and every day. It is there post-abortion to help the women cope with their decision. It is pro-life and preserves the dignity of every female, even the ones unborn in the womb. The Church promotes the sacredness of family, and the importance of love and abstinence for women. Condoms encourages a sense of invisibility and leads to more rape, as is the case in Africa. Abstinence teaching leads to less pre-martial pregnanices, and abortions.

The world is facing a cultural war. One caused by the most devastating philosophies of our time. The philosophy of moral relativism. There is no more right and wrong outside the Catholic Church. People are turning religion into politics, and politics into religion. People are praising people, instead of praising God. Politicians are telling you what is right and wrong, even though morals are being put to the side. Does the consensus decide if something is right, or does Jesus Christ? What happened to our morals? Slavery was legal at one time too. So was segregation. This does not make it right. There is only one truth-Jesus. There is no truth in society and this is the breakdown of society. Without objective truths, where are there limits? What limits our rights? What limits one from marrying a cat? The social structure and family unit is breaking down before our eyes and people are oblivious.

muldoon · 02-21-13, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Seaweed

It's amazing the ignorance people have in this thread about what Catholicism is,

An organization that has state status because it cut a deal with a fascist dictator. An organization which harbors pedophiles and attacks the victims of this abuse.

Defend it all you wish. You're supporting those who protect pedophiles.

Sleep well

muldoon · 02-21-13, 05:25 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.
The pope's spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.
The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign – the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called "Vatileaks" affair.

CarpeDime · 02-21-13, 05:40 PM

for the but holes

Jayvegas420 · 02-21-13, 09:12 PM

But seaweed, you are one of those who arbitrarily chooses what's right & wrong.
You swear, use the lord's name in vain, you gamble & I'm sure there are other facets of catholicism that you choose to ignaro when it sitys your personal agenda.
Or at least this is the impression you have given me on this forum.
Have you ever bothered to watch Bill Maher's Religulous?
I watch documentaries on the Catholic Church and Religion because I like to be able to make informed decisions, with as much information as I can gather (whether I like what I hear or not).
Give it a watch Weed, and tell me what you think.

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 09:35 PM

I don't think the Catholics mind gambling

but to practice a certain faith, I don't think it requires you to actually be perfect.

in fact I think the understanding that one is imperfect, broken, and fallen is a big part of the deal

Seaweed · 02-21-13, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by muldoon

An organization that has state status because it cut a deal with a fascist dictator. An organization which harbors pedophiles and attacks the victims of this abuse.

Defend it all you wish. You're supporting those who protect pedophiles.

Sleep well

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This inanity you present is almost impossible to read. If you are going to represent your position atleast be educated, informed, and non-moronic in your claims. Jesus warned there would be hypocrites even within the church. Like I said, there will always be s few bad apples because no humans are perfect, and all are prone to sin. The abuse scandals that were uncovered were horrible, this is undeniable and acknowledged. The Church’s efforts in rehabilitating the Priests within the Church proved to be unsuccessful. Since then, the Church has done everything in its power to bring justice. No other institution can make this claim. Keep in mind, these are abuse scandals by less than one percent within the Church. When you compare the abuse scandals within the Church to other religions, and institutions like schools, hospitals, and teams, it is tremendously less. Yet, it receives the most attention. If there is an abuse scandal within a school, does it mean that the good the institution of schools provides is bad? If there is an abuse scandal within the United Nations by a few peacemakers, does it discredit the good that organization provides? No. You work towards structural reform. Do you defend peacemakers, education and health care, or do you defend pedophiles? Afterall, you don’t leave Jesus for Judas right?

I will pray for you and I hope you dig deeper into the truth.

muldoon · 02-21-13, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Seaweed

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This inanity you present is almost impossible to read. If you are going to represent your position atleast be educated, informed, and non-moronic in your claims. Jesus warned there would be hypocrites even within the church. Like I said, there will always be s few bad apples because no humans are perfect, and all are prone to sin. The abuse scandals that were uncovered were horrible, this is undeniable and acknowledged. The Church’s efforts in rehabilitating the Priests within the Church proved to be unsuccessful. Since then, the Church has done everything in its power to bring justice. No other institution can make this claim. Keep in mind, these are abuse scandals by less than one percent within the Church. When you compare the abuse scandals within the Church to other religions, and institutions like schools, hospitals, and teams, it is tremendously less. Yet, it receives the most attention. If there is an abuse scandal within a school, does it mean that the good the institution of schools provides is bad? If there is an abuse scandal within the United Nations by a few peacemakers, does it discredit the good that organization provides? No. You work towards structural reform. Do you defend peacemakers, education and health care, or do you defend pedophiles? Afterall, you don’t leave Jesus for Judas right?

I will pray for you and I hope you dig deeper into the truth.

Let's be clear on a few things.

#1 - If you're going to accuse other religions, hospitals etc of being "worse", at least provide a link to this proof to make your point (please).

#2 - You speak as if this abuse is something that's in the past - it is not. As the Catholic Church claws its way deeper into Africa and South America, similar accusations of abuse and lack of cooperation by the church are coming up.

#3 - Unlike schools and hospitals, the Catholic Church has it's own "state" which it flees to and harbors these abusers.

Save your prayers you've designated for me, for the pedophiles and enablers that run your church, for all the good they'll do.

I've heard others refer to the Catholic Church as a cult, and I've always been reluctant to use that term. Not so much after listening to you justify this corrupt, child abusing, sexist and morally vapid group of scam artists.

ttwarrior1 · 02-21-13, 10:20 PM

catholic is quitting for health reasons, not the religion, but being pope.

Your committing the fallacy of context switching

gauchojake · 02-21-13, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Seaweed

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This inanity you present is almost impossible to read. If you are going to represent your position atleast be educated, informed, and non-moronic in your claims. Jesus warned there would be hypocrites even within the church. Like I said, there will always be s few bad apples because no humans are perfect, and all are prone to sin. The abuse scandals that were uncovered were horrible, this is undeniable and acknowledged. The Church’s efforts in rehabilitating the Priests within the Church proved to be unsuccessful. Since then, the Church has done everything in its power to bring justice. No other institution can make this claim. Keep in mind, these are abuse scandals by less than one percent within the Church. When you compare the abuse scandals within the Church to other religions, and institutions like schools, hospitals, and teams, it is tremendously less. Yet, it receives the most attention. If there is an abuse scandal within a school, does it mean that the good the institution of schools provides is bad? If there is an abuse scandal within the United Nations by a few peacemakers, does it discredit the good that organization provides? No. You work towards structural reform. Do you defend peacemakers, education and health care, or do you defend pedophiles? Afterall, you don’t leave Jesus for Judas right?

I will pray for you and I hope you dig deeper into the truth.

If the church was striving for justice, why did the courts have to force the Diocese in LA to not redact the names of hundreds of a abusers?

The church tried to cover up the abuse at all costs, not bring anyone to justice. They used techniques such as using lawyers who were also counselors to "rehabilitate" abusive priests but still fly under the cloak of lawyer client confidentiality.

They transferred abusive priests out of communities until statutes of limitations ran out and the let them return.

The system fostered a culture of child abuse and still does today.

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 10:42 PM

Kermit · 02-21-13, 10:43 PM

We need a younger more hip pope. I would like to see a black pope.

CarpeDime · 02-21-13, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by gauchojake

The system fostered a culture of child abuse and still does today.

yes this is why its for the butholes

they have cracked down a lot for sure but still theirs no better place you can go to pray on children then the catholic church even today

Chi_archie · 02-21-13, 10:45 PM

I mean if you commit your life to serving the Lord and are going to abstain from woman altogether and meat on fridays and give up good shit during 40 days every spring, I think its ok to reward your leaders by looking away while they teach some young boys the finer points of loving and turning the cheeks

Mayan Queen · 02-21-13, 10:46 PM

Pope John Paul II is a hard act to follow. The Church needs to be more inclusive and less judgmental, quite difficult thing to do without reconciling traditional interpretations of The Bible.

pronk · 02-21-13, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

But we both know it would never be a woman
The church discriminates against women, and still to this day holds them in a lower regard than men.
There could never be a woman cardinal or woman priest.
It sorta reminds me of other bodies that treat women like this.
Including the Military & the Taliban.

Shouldn't you be discussing this issue with your angry feminist friends on feminist forum ma'am?

sickler · 02-21-13, 11:50 PM

Religion in your life is -EV

Jayvegas420 · 02-23-13, 12:58 PM

It's people, like he catholics in this thread who make me happy that I don't subscribe to any religion whatsoever.
I don't think that it is a good idea to base your daily decisions or life philosophy on a book of tales & a premise that is quite obviously fiction.
Everyone twists & contorts their own interpretation of the bible & what it teaches, to suit heir own agenda.
God hates fags unless you're a gay catholic. Jesus said it was a sin to masturbate until you're a masturbater.
Jesus decried the money changers in the temple untill I get a job at a bank.
It's all BULL$H|T and I truly believe that any religion is is the root of evil & only seems to enable one to judge others based on their false beliefs.

Chi_archie · 02-23-13, 03:01 PM

agreed, i try to preach to the bank tellers and get them to repent, whenever I go the bank in person but they are blinded.... their poor souls

The Kraken · 02-23-13, 03:08 PM

I'm not like a real catholic but I was a priest for Halloween last year. My wife went as a little boy. So I do feel somewhat qualified to answer any questions going forward. God bless

TheMoneyShot · 02-23-13, 03:33 PM

I love how people bash religion all the time... yet mysteriously the Bible is one of the oldest books ever. Why has it lasted so long?

The Kraken · 02-23-13, 04:06 PM

Because people need it to add meaning to their existence and as hope in an afterlife.

With that said, it's a quality book with many positive teachings, not surprising it's lasted so long.