Since taxpayers pay for so many people to have children...

[TheCentaur]

why not pay these people to not have them?

No need to go through the government. Private companies or organizations could pay males and females between the ages of 18-25 for voluntary sterilization. Pay them 5k, 10k, whatever the number is. Not sure what the break even cost/benefit number for society is but I would think it is much more than the necessary offer amount.

I welcome criticism and a healthy discussion about this.

To me it seems like a solution to a lot of current/future problems, and a relatively quick one at that. The participants are not being forced, it is not genocide, and for those who argue it is too much of a permanent decision for young people, I would say having children that can't be properly supported is a pretty permanent decision that other more responsible people (other than the parent) end up paying for everyday.

Not sure if this would offend religious organizations as it is not abortion, but maybe there would be some kind of outrage, I don't know.

What do you think?

[King Mayan]

Centaur don't tell me what to do you motherfukker..

This is America.. Ok???

[TheCentaur]

Centaur don't tell me what to do you motherfukker..

This is America.. Ok???

I wasn't telling you what to do, you seem like a responsible dude.

It wouldn't be telling anyone what to do, it would be their choice

[King Mayan]

I wasn't telling you what to do, you seem like a responsible dude.

It wouldn't be telling anyone what to do, it would be their choice

Centaur, I'm have 13 kids on your dime... I want more...

This is America... Ok???

[Emily_Haines]

They are doing it other ways. For example do you see how popular anal porn and shooting loads on bitches faces is these days? That was almost unheard of 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure the porn industry was given grants or money to make people think this was hip and cool. I heard that as country we now have a negative population growth so the program must be working.

[TheCentaur]

They are doing it other ways. For example do you see how popular anal porn and shooting loads on bitches faces is these days? That was almost unheard of 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure the porn industry was given grants or money to make people think this was hip and cool. I heard that as country we now have a negative population growth so the program must be working.

hmm you make some interesting points here

[GunShard]

China has a one child policy law. Americans won't like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

[TheCentaur]

China has a one child policy law. Americans won't like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

This is voluntary. Completely different. Basically giving natural selection a nudge

[Inkwell77]

solid thread

I agree. There should be no tax benefits for having kids. Actual the tax benefits should go to those without dependents. Weird country we're living in currently, the economics are fukked.

I understand the sentiment, give the people with kids money so they will then use it in some fashion to benefit the kids and the kids will grow up and will hopefully not be as fukked up as they could be. The problem is it does not work fiscally.

The country has to systematically/culturally create a shift from these 18-19 year olds with no money and no career prospects from giving birth.

The numbers in these poorish inner-cities are crazy. Teens are just bored so they're fukkin and then having kids. Many kids then being raised in a single parent type home and are destined to become a statistic. It's a rough cycle for the economy and the school system. You start to realize these kids in these rough environments create problems in school which then make the schools less efficient overall (teacher spending too much time/effort concentrating on disruptive students). It has to change, right?

[sickler]

China has a one child policy law. Americans won't like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

Pity a female fetus when the parents (esp father) want a boy to carry on the family name?

[Chili_Powder]

For some people I know with kids, tax filing day is a national freckin holiday. They start dancing and singing at work and buying lunch for the group, ect.

[TheCentaur]

solid thread
Actual the tax benefits should go to those without dependents.

I agree with this sentiment but it would involve planning on their part which they have shown no talent for. Kids would start being thrown in dumpsters in the thousands so they could continue to receive the no dependent child benefit payments

[MoneyLineDawg]

Our government wastes sooo much more money on a ton of other shit......This should be like number 50 on the list and would never work anyway

The failed War on Drugs and the fact that murderers on death row cost a ridiculous amount of money as they wait for 20+years are a good place to start

[Grits n' Gravy]

As much as a racist dick you come off at times as I believe nobody should be allowed to reproduce until they prove they are capable of supporting their children mentally, emotionally and financially. If it was medically possible I'd sterilize everyone until they are 23 at a minimum. Too many kids born into no win situations.

[TheCentaur]

Our government wastes sooo much more money on a ton of other shit......This should be like number 50 on the list and would never work anyway

The failed War on Drugs and the fact that murderers on death row cost a ridiculous amount of money as they wait for 20+years are a good place to start

When you just look at the numbers yes there are currently other wasteful programs that cost more money. I don't think anything threatens our way of life though like the apparent government effort (at least that's what the policies point to) to phase out self sufficiency and grow a government dependent population.