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  • TheRifleman
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    #1
    Muslims sentence 8 people to DEATH for stupid, silly film
    They just hate free speech and hate the TRUTH even more.

    Filthy bastards.



    There isn't a religion on earth, except the gutter religion/ death cult, called Islam, who would KILL someone for presenting their point of view. What are they afraid of? These people are horrific beasts...... What kind of "religion" is this anyway??? God is the only one that decides life or death. What dirt-bags.
    Egypt court sentences 8 to death over prophet film



    CAIRO (AP) -- An Egyptian court convicted in absentia Wednesday seven Egyptian Coptic Christians and a Florida-based American pastor, sentencing them to death on charges linked to an anti-Islam film that had sparked riots in parts of the Muslim world.
    The case was seen as largely symbolic because the defendants, most of whom live in the United States, are all outside Egypt and are thus unlikely to ever face the sentence. The charges were brought in September during a wave of public outrage in Egypt over the amateur film, which was produced by an Egyptian-American Copt.
  • keyboarding
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    #2
    You think Islam is the only religion that has killed because of its views?

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    • Carseller4
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      #3
      Originally posted by keyboarding
      You think Islam is the only religion that has killed because of its views?

      Narrow it down to the last 20 years, and I would have to say yes.
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      • keyboarding
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        #4
        The media targets Islam because of the emotional connection to 9/11. If you break down the math of the number of Muslims in the world compared to how many people they have actually killed, it's not going to be all that noteworthy. The article posted is completely irrelevant as its a death sentence issued by a country that doesn't even have jurisdiction to follow through.

        Now, if you think the religious extremists in Islam are bad, I can't imagine what you think of what has happened in Rwanda and Darfur. You want to talk extremes in the last 20 years, let's start there.

        All groups, whether it be religious, political, or ethnic, will have extremists. It's the way of the world.
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        • Dutch
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          #5
          Them sons of bitches hate freedom!
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          • Mikail
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            #6
            Good for them! There are consequences for passing such filthy garbage. Although the ruling is not much more than symbolic, it's a start.

            لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول
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            • TheRifleman
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              #7
              Originally posted by Mikail
              Good for them! There are consequences for passing such filthy garbage. Although the ruling is not much more than symbolic, it's a start.

              لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول
              You are walking, talking, breathing filthy garbage. You are a fraud and you are a filthy liar too. Why haven't you been sentenced to death?

              There is NO PALESTINE. There are NO palestinians. Yassar Arafart was an Egyptian, who died with over 1 BILLION $ in his personal bank account.
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              • nosniboR11
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mikail
                Good for them! There are consequences for passing such filthy garbage. Although the ruling is not much more than symbolic, it's a start.

                لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول
                see paco and mikial, this is why people hate your religion, not trying to start anything with ya, I like you guys, and for them to do this in the name of god, just going to get them sent to hell to burn for eternity
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                • chilidog
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                  #9
                  I'm surprised the Rifleman didn't blame Obama.
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                  • bradthebloke
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                    #10
                    ever chilidogged a girl?
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                    • Harun
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                      #11
                      fuk jew
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                      • Dom177
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                        #12
                        What I don't understand is why they act like animals when they are "outraged" or demand things like children. People lose respect for Middle Eastern countries because they act that way. If their populations ever had civilized protests where they weren't flipping cars, shooting AK 47s in the air, and burning flags, I'm sure the West would have a more favorable view on them.
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                        • Mikail
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by nosniboR11
                          see paco and mikial, this is why people hate your religion, not trying to start anything with ya, I like you guys, and for them to do this in the name of god, just going to get them sent to hell to burn for eternity
                          Now that is where our beliefs differ. Muslims believe those responsible for that filthy movie have earned "God's" wrath and according to sharia law their death sentence is just and legal.
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                          • Mikail
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dom177
                            What I don't understand is why they act like animals when they are "outraged" or demand things like children. People lose respect for Middle Eastern countries because they act that way. If their populations ever had civilized protests where they weren't flipping cars, shooting AK 47s in the air, and burning flags, I'm sure the West would have a more favorable view on them.
                            so you think muslims should change their way to appease westerners? News flash to the common ignoramus in the west.... Muslims don't care what you think!!!
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                            • chilidog
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dom177
                              What I don't understand is why they act like animals when they are "outraged" or demand things like children. People lose respect for Middle Eastern countries because they act that way. If their populations ever had civilized protests where they weren't flipping cars, shooting AK 47s in the air, and burning flags, I'm sure the West would have a more favorable view on them.
                              Because it works. Civilized protests don't work.
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                              • Dom177
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Mikail
                                Muslims don't care what you think!!!
                                That is clear. The West ridicules the East because they act that way, they criticize the West because we are full of "common ignoramus". If the West decides to take away foreign aid to some of these countries they would be crippled.

                                Since 2007 this is how much $ the US has given them
                                Egypt=9.5 billion
                                Jordan=4.5 billion
                                Lebanon= 1.4 billion
                                Libya=1.4 billion

                                I'm sure they will start to care what the West thinks once they get cut off...WWIII?
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                                • pellumb341
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                                  #17
                                  Religion is Bullshit.I am happy that i live in a country (Albania) where we don't give a f\*\*k about religion
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                                  • PAULYPOKER
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by chilidog
                                    I'm surprised the Rifleman didn't blame Obama.
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                                    • Kermit
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                                      #19
                                      Muslims are as misinformed as Christians.
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                                      • The Kraken
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                                        #20
                                        Bunch of nutters for sure. They kill not because it works (obviously it doesnt) but because its their wakky culture. It's all they know. All disputes are handled with by killing. They know no better.
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                                        • TheRifleman
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                                          #21
                                          The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
                                          nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with
                                          commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be
                                          hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called
                                          'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join
                                          the slaughter.
                                          Unlike nearly all of the Old
                                          Testament verses of violence
                                          , the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly
                                          open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of
                                          the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah,
                                          and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
                                          Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy
                                          book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions
                                          find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments
                                          that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
                                          Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people,
                                          but bad ideology.
                                          Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate
                                          or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued
                                          until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
                                          Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the
                                          remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood
                                          and tears across world history.

                                          The Quran:

                                          Quran
                                          (2:191-193)
                                          - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of
                                          the places whence they drove you out, for persecution
                                          [of
                                          Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]
                                          ... but if they
                                          desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until
                                          persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
                                          The historical
                                          context
                                          of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
                                          his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
                                          their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
                                          that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
                                          did
                                          ). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
                                          unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
                                          Quran
                                          (2:244)
                                          - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
                                          and knoweth all things."

                                          Quran
                                          (2:216)
                                          - "Fighting is prescribed
                                          for you
                                          , and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
                                          is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
                                          knoweth, and ye know not."
                                          Not only does this verse establish that violence
                                          can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
                                          in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.
                                          From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
                                          was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
                                          merchant caravans
                                          for loot.
                                          Quran
                                          (3:56)
                                          - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
                                          agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
                                          help."

                                          Quran
                                          (3:151)
                                          - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
                                          for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
                                          authority".
                                          This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
                                          Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
                                          believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
                                          Quran
                                          (4:74)
                                          - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
                                          world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
                                          victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
                                          The martyrs of Islam are
                                          unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are
                                          killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause
                                          of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
                                          Quran
                                          (4:76)
                                          - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
                                          Quran
                                          (4:89)
                                          - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
                                          be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
                                          they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
                                          renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
                                          take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

                                          Quran
                                          (4:95)
                                          - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
                                          hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
                                          their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
                                          with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
                                          Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
                                          distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
                                          This
                                          passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
                                          them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the
                                          modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
                                          spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
                                          clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
                                          disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
                                          be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
                                          this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
                                          Quran
                                          (4:104)
                                          - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
                                          pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
                                          Is pursuing
                                          an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
                                          Quran
                                          (5:33)
                                          - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
                                          messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
                                          be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
                                          opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
                                          them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
                                          chastisement"

                                          Quran
                                          (8:12)
                                          - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
                                          Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
                                          No
                                          reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
                                          Quran
                                          (8:15)
                                          - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
                                          turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
                                          unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
                                          incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
                                          end."

                                          Quran
                                          (8:39)
                                          - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
                                          unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations
                                          interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
                                          word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also).
                                          The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.
                                          Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
                                          Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also
                                          acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
                                          destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence
                                          the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
                                          Allah"
                                          , meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
                                          the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
                                          explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
                                          Quran
                                          (8:57)
                                          - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
                                          strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

                                          Quran
                                          (8:59-60)
                                          - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
                                          outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all
                                          thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
                                          the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

                                          Quran
                                          (8:65)
                                          - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
                                          Quran
                                          (9:5)
                                          - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
                                          idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie
                                          in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay
                                          the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
                                          According to this verse, the
                                          best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer
                                          (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five
                                          Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the
                                          context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since
                                          the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they
                                          been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a
                                          duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).
                                          Quran
                                          (9:14)
                                          - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them
                                          to disgrace..."

                                          Quran
                                          (9:20)
                                          - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
                                          their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
                                          sight. These are they who are triumphant."
                                          The "striving" spoken of here is
                                          Jihad (Arabic).
                                          Quran
                                          (9:29)
                                          - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
                                          that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
                                          acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
                                          until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
                                          "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the
                                          final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military
                                          expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the
                                          Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other
                                          people and faiths.
                                          Quran
                                          (9:30)
                                          - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
                                          say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
                                          imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
                                          they are turned away!"

                                          Quran
                                          (9:38-39)
                                          - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
                                          are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
                                          ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
                                          this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
                                          you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
                                          This is a
                                          warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
                                          Quran
                                          (9:41)
                                          - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
                                          wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
                                          knew."
                                          See also the verse that follows (9:42)
                                          - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
                                          (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
                                          on them"
                                          This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
                                          self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
                                          distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
                                          according to the historians).
                                          Quran
                                          (9:73)
                                          - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
                                          hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
                                          destination."
                                          Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims
                                          that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.
                                          It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside
                                          the faith.
                                          Quran
                                          (9:88)
                                          - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and
                                          fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and
                                          it is they who will prosper."

                                          Quran
                                          (9:111)
                                          - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
                                          goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His
                                          cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the
                                          Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than
                                          Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the
                                          achievement supreme."

                                          Quran
                                          (9:123)
                                          - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
                                          to you and let them find in you hardness."

                                          Quran
                                          (17:16)
                                          - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to
                                          the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word
                                          proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
                                          Note that
                                          the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
                                          (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an
                                          invitation to Islam).
                                          Quran
                                          (18:65-81)
                                          - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor
                                          killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the
                                          family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story
                                          (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses
                                          encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to
                                          make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later
                                          explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).
                                          However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would
                                          "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that
                                          Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor
                                          killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says
                                          that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills
                                          their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
                                          Quran
                                          (21:44)
                                          - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their
                                          fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually
                                          reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they
                                          who will win?"

                                          Quran
                                          (25:52)
                                          - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against
                                          them with the utmost strenuousness..."
                                          "Strive against" is Jihad -
                                          obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that
                                          this is a Meccan verse.
                                          Quran
                                          (33:60-62)
                                          - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease,
                                          and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against
                                          them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
                                          will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
                                          This
                                          passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in
                                          other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to
                                          "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167)
                                          and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which
                                          include Jews and Christians 5:51-52),
                                          and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against
                                          Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims
                                          are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this
                                          passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why
                                          it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
                                          Quran
                                          (47:3-4)
                                          - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who
                                          believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men
                                          their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who
                                          disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make
                                          (them) prisoners,"
                                          Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The
                                          verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is
                                          in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
                                          "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution
                                          from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with
                                          others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
                                          deeds be lost."

                                          Quran
                                          (47:35)
                                          - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye
                                          should be uppermost
                                          (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with
                                          you,"

                                          Quran
                                          (48:17)
                                          - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the
                                          lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso
                                          obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which
                                          rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."
                                          Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual
                                          struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse
                                          also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
                                          Quran
                                          (48:29)
                                          - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
                                          hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
                                          Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two
                                          very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the
                                          word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the
                                          word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
                                          Quran
                                          (61:4)
                                          - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of
                                          Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9):
                                          "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the
                                          religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even
                                          though the infidels may resist
                                          ."

                                          Quran
                                          (61:10-12)
                                          - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will
                                          save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger,
                                          and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and
                                          your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you
                                          your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful
                                          mansions in Gardens of Eternity."
                                          This verse was given in battle. It uses
                                          the Arabic word, Jihad.
                                          Quran
                                          (66:9)
                                          - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
                                          and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
                                          The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy
                                          war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who
                                          call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

                                          From the Hadith:

                                          Bukhari
                                          (52:177)
                                          - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
                                          you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
                                          say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

                                          Bukhari
                                          (52:256)
                                          - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
                                          the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
                                          children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
                                          from them (i.e. pagans)."
                                          In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
                                          permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy.
                                          This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
                                          Bukhari
                                          (52:220)
                                          - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
                                          terror'

                                          Abu
                                          Dawud (14:2526)
                                          - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are
                                          the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no
                                          god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and
                                          not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be
                                          performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day
                                          the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

                                          Abu
                                          Dawud (14:2527)
                                          - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad)
                                          is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether
                                          he is pious or impious

                                          Muslim
                                          (1:33)
                                          - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
                                          against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad
                                          is the messenger of Allah

                                          Bukhari
                                          (8:387)
                                          - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people
                                          till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say
                                          so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then
                                          their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with
                                          them except legally."

                                          Muslim
                                          (1:30)
                                          - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
                                          against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
                                          Allah."

                                          Bukhari
                                          (11:626)
                                          - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the
                                          prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses
                                          for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

                                          Muslim
                                          (1:149)
                                          - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the
                                          deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in
                                          His cause..."

                                          Muslim
                                          (20:4645)
                                          - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is
                                          another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one
                                          hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to
                                          the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act?
                                          He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

                                          Muslim
                                          (20:4696)
                                          - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One
                                          who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or
                                          determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

                                          Muslim
                                          (19:4321-4323)
                                          - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the
                                          news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against
                                          unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
                                          Muslim
                                          (19:4294)
                                          - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed
                                          anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He
                                          would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against
                                          those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies
                                          who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to
                                          any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
                                          harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them
                                          and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
                                          from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your
                                          hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.
                                          Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet
                                          declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."
                                          Ashraf was a poet,
                                          killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the
                                          scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by
                                          his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
                                          Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The
                                          words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
                                          Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have
                                          departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their
                                          religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and
                                          seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion."
                                          The words
                                          of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error
                                          after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah.
                                          The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men
                                          were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
                                          Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
                                          327: - “Allah said, ‘A
                                          prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven
                                          from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
                                          ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the
                                          religion.’”

                                          Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
                                          990: - Lest anyone think that
                                          cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation,
                                          here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to
                                          approve.
                                          Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992:
                                          - "Fight everyone in the way
                                          of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
                                          Muhammad's instructions
                                          to his men prior to a military raid.

                                          Additional Notes:

                                          Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
                                          non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to
                                          as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant
                                          (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal
                                          persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in
                                          Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
                                          demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for
                                          religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic
                                          fundamentalism.
                                          The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses
                                          of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of
                                          religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
                                          "Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim
                                          apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
                                          "assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.
                                          Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
                                          violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and
                                          genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for
                                          five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody
                                          conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
                                          untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was
                                          very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
                                          same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including
                                          the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
                                          Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by
                                          Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
                                          So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never
                                          really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.
                                          Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring
                                          the men, raping
                                          their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his
                                          own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged
                                          inhabitants and even butchered captives.
                                          He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right
                                          to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with
                                          Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women
                                          captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members
                                          were slaughtered.
                                          It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim
                                          armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic
                                          military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
                                          following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the
                                          civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and
                                          children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern
                                          apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense,
                                          this is an oxymoron that is flatly
                                          contradicted
                                          by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back
                                          to the time of Muhammad.
                                          Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely
                                          obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader
                                          opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was
                                          sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no
                                          one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
                                          Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of
                                          the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the
                                          captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day
                                          marriage").
                                          One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf
                                          al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are
                                          seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other
                                          [countries] in order to spread the word of
                                          Islam
                                          and to remove obstacles standing in its way."
                                          Elsewhere, he
                                          notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and
                                          it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form
                                          of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
                                          release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature
                                          and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
                                          defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of
                                          life."

                                          The widely respected Dictionary of Islam
                                          defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
                                          mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the
                                          Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for
                                          the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from
                                          the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is
                                          incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors
                                          , as appears
                                          from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this
                                          effect."

                                          Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
                                          resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best
                                          first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their
                                          preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer
                                          community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed
                                          between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar
                                          at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle
                                          within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a
                                          jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this
                                          day.
                                          The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about
                                          Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is
                                          judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
                                          repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be
                                          devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture,
                                          language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral
                                          progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is
                                          convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
                                          represses criticism.
                                          This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
                                          dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim
                                          terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and
                                          understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to
                                          contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of
                                          peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of
                                          Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls
                                          for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that
                                          sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the
                                          broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret
                                          their religion in this way.
                                          Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
                                          respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty,
                                          because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to)
                                          convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force",
                                          many other
                                          Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of
                                          verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes
                                          from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers
                                          to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
                                          Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught
                                          that Islam is supposed to be superior in
                                          every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the
                                          evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
                                          contradiction to this.
                                          Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
                                          couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being
                                          too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury
                                          for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely
                                          following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their
                                          daughter or lose respect." (source).
                                          In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders
                                          of civilians, women and children explicitly in
                                          the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
                                          Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.
                                          For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
                                          sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for
                                          reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the
                                          existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
                                          There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran
                                          literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done
                                          in the name of Islam.
                                          Thanks for the "warning" Egypt, but an as a reminder, everyone and their mother knew or "felt" The Muslim Brotherhood would bend Egyptians over, that's what all the objection was about if anyone remembers?!?!
                                          This is why there will NEVER be peace where there is Islam. It is a militant religion. And to those of you who say The Bible or Hebrew books are the same, no, Christianity and Judaism were founded hundreds of years before Islam, and they have NO mention or verses preaching violence specifically towards Muslims. However, Islam DOES have verses (obviously) which tell ALL muslims to kill.
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                                          • chilidog
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 04-05-09
                                            • 10305

                                            #22
                                            You're just copying and pasting a bunch of shit that few are going to read. Who gives a fukk?
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                                            • Kermit
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 09-27-10
                                              • 32555

                                              #23
                                              Only a group of sick fukks would strip down and stone a 16 year old girl to death.
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                                              • good_money
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 09-17-12
                                                • 253

                                                #24
                                                "most of whom live in the United States, are all outside Egypt and are thus unlikely to ever face the sentence."

                                                Atleast most of the Americans are not going to die
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                                                • GUMMO77
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 08-23-10
                                                  • 9294

                                                  #25
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                                                  • mikejamm
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-24-09
                                                    • 11049

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mikail
                                                    Good for them! There are consequences for passing such filthy garbage. Although the ruling is not much more than symbolic, it's a start.
                                                    Originally posted by TheRifleman

                                                    You are walking, talking, breathing filthy garbage. You are a fraud and you are a filthy liar too. Why haven't you been sentenced to death?

                                                    There is NO PALESTINE. There are NO palestinians. Yassar Arafart was an Egyptian, who died with over 1 BILLION $ in his personal bank account.
                                                    Exactly and the Israeli's made sure to poison his stink'in ass too! They dug up this piece of shit just to make sure! Stupid ass fuk'in muslim fuk heads, they're so fuk'in stupid, they make it too easy! So glad we gave Israel drones to fuk'in make hamburger outta these assholes! mohammed was a child raping stink'in filthy muslim who got stupid ignorant idiots to follow him!


                                                    لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول
                                                    ^^ Translation: "I fuk camels up the ass and like it!"
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