congratulations Dwightie, can't cheer against my country

brooks85 · 11-09-16, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by dante1

Well Dwightie, it is about time. Finally get a political prediction right, I guess what they say about the exception proving the rule is correct.

However, I cannot and will not cheer against my country. My dad must have said this statement 1000 times if he said it once. What this country needs is 4 or 8 years of a R controlled everything. Of course, he was being facetious claiming that people when they see what they voted for will reject eventually it for decades. Don't know about that and as I wrote I cannot and will not cheer against my country. The misery that might be on the horizon I will reject and hope it doesn't happen.

I did say that this guy could win. I wrote that more than once and I take no gratification in being correct. We can analyze this until we puke, the pundits and news people will do that for the next year or longer. Lets see what happens, I am still convinced that he will not govern. This country will be governed by a few key people he selects. He will have no time for governing. That is just not who he is. Let us see what happens because as of now nobody really knows. All we know for sure is the crazy shit he said will in all probability not happen. Is he really going to influence trade, start trade wars when every economist left and right claims, actually knows that will spell disaster for our economy. We will see. I still refuse to cheer against my country. That is a big difference between most moderates and progressives and the crazies. The crazies fought Obama every step of the way on every single issue, even issues they advanced. Our country is in much better shape in almost every facet today than it was 8 years ago. Those are facts.

I am fearful for my country however lets see what happens in the next four years. Thank god the founders instituted checks and balances. My biggest fear is a nuke exchange. We all know this guy loses his head over nonsense. Hopefully that is not going to happen but keep in mind that Putin right now is more cocky than he has ever been. That is what frightens me the most. We can always recover economically. There is no recovering from a full nuke exchange.

If the country after four years is prospering and things look great I will say the crazies were right. If the country is in a fckin mess and the country is hurting badly, as I fear will be the case, then my dad was correct and the crazies will have no excuse. But, they will make thousands of them.

worst president in history

dante1 · 11-09-16, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

worst president in history

you are my bellwether brooks, but 10 to 1 you don't know what that means.

brooks85 · 11-09-16, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by dante1

you are my bellwether brooks, but 10 to 1 you don't know what that means.

you can't stop losing.

Turd Ferguson · 11-09-16, 09:24 AM

Good write-up Dante.

While it's embarrassing and sad to witness how much racism and sexism still exists in this country in the year 2016, there is a silver lining here. They got their 70 year old adolescent president and the republicans have all the levers of power in their grasp, therefore the won't have anyone to blame when they burn the house down and we can rebuild.
Our only hope is that they don't cause permanent damage in the meantime.

brooks85 · 11-09-16, 09:25 AM

^lol another good one for my comedy book about today

dante1 · 11-09-16, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson

Good write-up Dante.

While it's embarrassing and sad to witness how much racism and sexism still exists in this country in the year 2016, there is a silver lining here. They got their 70 year old adolescent president and the republicans have all the levers of power in their grasp, therefore the won't have anyone to blame when they burn the house down and we can rebuild.
Our only hope is that they don't cause permanent damage in the meantime.

Yep, I was totally wrong about one thing and that is what you wrote in your second paragraph first sentence. I actually believed most of that BS was over, I was wrong. However, I do believe most of us, maybe all of us, carry some small essence of racism. It might just be an evolutionary thing, already built into our being. Don't know, I will let the philosophers and religious studies people tackle that one.

Look how Hitler was able to influence probably the most educated and sophisticated country of the time. The Germans were highly educated and even progressive and yet were influenced by a crazy populist.

I am trying to think if a populist in this country ever won a national election, I don't think that ever happened until this guy. I may be wrong. Off the top of my head I cannot think of one, but I am not a history major and I will accept the word of a history scholar. Maybe brooks or dwightie can answer this question.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 09:38 AM

maybe Andrew Jackson comes closest, still not sure.

Turd Ferguson · 11-09-16, 09:46 AM

William Jennings Bryan comes to mind, even though he didn't win. The Trump campaign was more like a George Wallace though. It's amazing that Wallace couldn't get elected in 1968 but Trump could get elected in 2016

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson

William Jennings Bryan comes to mind, even though he didn't win. The Trump campaign was more like a George Wallace though. It's amazing that Wallace couldn't get elected in 1968 but Trump could get elected in 2016

Right, but I did mean one that won.

I have been wrong on so many different things in my life and I admit to it. However, I cannot think of a legitimate reason for this to happen. And I don't want to sound like a crazy person but tell me what I am thinking incorrectly. It is too early to do bs exhaustive conclusions on this election but I will anyway. Three possible reasons.

One, the polls are useless. Well historically polls usually are pretty spot on. This election and a few others are exceptions but if the polls are so wrong, now keep in mind this is also the Fox poll, what happened. One answer is simply they were wrong, they didn't get the mood of the people. Don't know how that happens with almost all of them but I must accept it. They were wrong, or

Maybe, and this I refuse to believe this election was rigged. Is it possible some foreign power was able to rig an American election. This theory I give little weight to because it is simply crazy. This is what the crazies would be screaming if he lost. I cannot buy into it.

Third, one man James C with an unsubstantiated claim and it turns out to be a totally bogus statement changed the minds of enough people to change an election. This might be the most probable.

I cannot think of any other reason.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 10:16 AM

Here’s Truthdig Editor in Chief Robert Scheer’s morning editorial on the outcome of the election:

The people that Clinton derided as a “basket of deplorables” have spoken. They have voted out of the pain of their economic misfortune, which Clinton’s branch of the Democratic Party helped engender.
What you have is a defeat of elitism. Hillary’s arrogance was on full display with the revelation of her speeches cozying up to Goldman Sachs, the bank that caused this misery more than any other, and the irony of this is not lost on the people who are hurting and can’t pay their bills. This is a victory for a neofascist populism—scapegoating immigrants and Muslims—and unfortunately, if Sanders had been the candidate, I feel confident he would’ve won. We were denied the opportunity of a confrontation between a progressive populist, represented by Bernie Sanders, and a neofascist populist.
It’s a repudiation of the arrogant elitism of the Democratic Party machine as represented by the Clintons, whose radical deregulation of Wall Street created this mess. And instead of recognizing the error of their ways and standing up to the banks, Hillary’s campaign cozied up to them, and that did not give people who are hurting confidence that she would respond to their needs or that she gave a damn about their suffering. She’s terminally tone deaf.
So too was the mainstream media, which treated the wreckage of the Great Recession as a minor inconvenience, ignoring the deep suffering of the many millions who lost their homes, savings and jobs. The candidate of Goldman Sachs was defeated, but unfortunately by a neofascist and not a progressive, like Sanders. Thanks to the arrogance of the Democratic Party leadership that stifled the Sanders revolution, we are entering a very dangerous period with a Trump presidency and this will be a time to see whether our system of checks and balances functions as our Founding Fathers intended.
Make no mistake about it, this is a crisis of confidence for America’s ruling elite that far surpasses the time of Nixon’s Watergate scandal. They were the enablers of radical deregulation that betrayed FDR’s contract with the American people in the wake of the Great Depression. The people are hurting, and regrettably, Trump was the only vehicle presented to them by either major party in the general election to register their deepest discontent. The Trump voters are the messenger; don’t demonize them in an effort to salvage the prestige of the superrich elite that has temporarily lost its grip on the main levers of power in this nation.
Thankfully, the Clinton era is over, and the sick notion that the Democratic Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed to find a new home in the temples of Wall Street greed, has been rudely shattered by the deep anger of the very folks that the Democrats had presumed to represent. That includes working-class women, who failed to respond to the siren song of Hillary Clinton, whom the Democratic hacks offered instead of a true progressive like Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. Yes, we need a female president, but not in the mold of Margaret Thatcher.

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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/donald_trump_got_elected_president_and_this_is_how_it_happened_20161109

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:20 AM

Hey K

I would buy into that explanation and I bought that 100% until it was proven wrong? It wasn't the downtrodden and extremely poor that changed this election because the average wages of a Trump supporter is anything but poor. So the above is basically BS. The disenfranchised still supports the D to a large degree. This is what these people would like to believe but the facts tell a different story.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:23 AM

And K I get it, some people want a more progressive person than the Clintons, don't think that played into this loss. I can't believe the B Sanders people didn't come out because they think Clinton isn't progressive enough.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 10:36 AM

The election wasn't decided by who voted. It was decided by who didn't vote. Not at one point did Hilary Clinton give me a reason to vote for her. She only gave me reasons to vote against Trump. That was the DEM's plan from the start, she's a women & she's not Trump. People were fooled once 8 short years ago & even gave it another shot 4 years ago. This time they weren't buying it.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

The election wasn't decided by who voted. It was decided who didn't vote. Not at one point did Hilary Clinton give me a reason to vote for her. She only gave me a reasons to vote against Trump. That was the DEM's plan from the start, she's a women & she's not Trump. People were fooled once 8 short years ago & even gave it another shot 4 years ago. This time they weren't buying it.

Get it K. However if the B Sanders people didn't come out because of the above reasons, well my only response is they had better learn some A History. Progressive thought takes time to be placed into action. These things don't happen overnight. Yes, the progressive ideas of every generation eventually become law but it takes time, great amounts of time in some cases. How long did the abolitionists need to fight and preach before slavery disappeared? How long did it take for child labor laws to become prevalent? How long did it take for women to be treated as first class citizens? Each of them took decades and decades. So if the excuse by the far left is she wasn't progressive enough so I am not voting is legitimate then I say shame on them. You allowed a crazy person to become president. And if that is true, huge shame on them.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by dante1

Get it K. However if the B Sanders people didn't come out because of the above reasons, well my only response is they had better learn some A History. Progressive thought takes time to be placed into action. These things don't happen overnight. Yes, the progressive ideas of every generation eventually become law but it takes time, great amounts of time in some cases. How long did the abolitionists need to fight and preach before slavery disappeared? How long did it take for child labor laws to become prevalent? How long did it take for women to be treated as first class citizens? Each of them took decades and decades. So if the excuse by the far left is she wasn't progressive enough so I am not voting is legitimate then I say shame on them. You allowed a crazy person to become president. And if that is true, huge shame on them.

I would reread the article above & stop blaming progressives for what the DEM party has done. We were given the choice of the lesser of two evils once again. This time around more people thought Trump was the lesser evil. Who knows they may even be right.

I think Micheal Hudson said it best before the election. Smart Man.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:48 AM

you know K at the turn of the 20th century many progressives thought the infant communists had the correct idea in Russia. how did that turn out, you cannot trade one crazy monarchy or whatever for another crazy philosophy. That is what the book "animal farm" is all about. When people want craziness they react, granted they were mistreated and that is too easy a word but they got something even worse (if that is possible) than the Czar. So over stretching is just as bad, maybe worse, than taking a moderate slow approach to change.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

I would reread the article above & stop blaming progressives for what the DEM party has done. We were given the choice of the lesser of two evils once again. This time around more people thought Trump was the lesser evil. Who know they may even be right.

I think Micheal Hudson said it best before the election. Smart Man.

When or where did I blame the progressives? If they didn't vote for a moderate over a crazy then yes they deserve some blame, not all the blame. Don't place words in my mouth my friend,

dante1 · 11-09-16, 10:57 AM

you said K that she didn't give you one reason to vote for her. well I can probably name dozens but one off the top of my head might be health care, she wanted to improve the ACA and give more people health care, Trump wants to dismantle it. That should be one legitimate reason to vote for her. I get it that you don't like the family, I understand the problems they present. But she would have been a more progressive person than Trump.

and I don't want to argue or debate with a person that has the same basic thoughts that I do so this is my last post on this subject.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by dante1

you know K at the turn of the 20th century many progressives thought the infant communists had the correct idea in Russia. how did that turn out, you cannot trade one crazy monarchy or whatever for another crazy philosophy. That is what the book "animal farm" is all about. When people want craziness they react, granted they were mistreated and that is too easy a word but they got something even worse (if that is possible) than the Czar. So over stretching is just as bad, maybe worse, than taking a moderate slow approach to change.

You can't call what happened in Russia true communism. It was state run capitalism & I think you know that. Even Lenin said he admired the way capitalism & propaganda controlled the masses.

Hilary is not a moderate & her polices are to right of Nixon, there was no slow change coming. The only change comes from the people putting pressure on its leaders.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by dante1

When or where did I blame the progressives? If they didn't vote for a moderate over a crazy then yes they deserve some blame, not all the blame. Don't place words in my mouth my friend,

Maybe I read your words wrong, that's the way it came across. Sorry.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by dante1

you said K that she didn't give you one reason to vote for her. well I can probably name dozens but one off the top of my head might be health care, she wanted to improve the ACA and give more people health care, Trump wants to dismantle it. That should be one legitimate reason to vote for her. I get it that you don't like the family, I understand the problems they present. But she would have been a more progressive person than Trump.

and I don't want to argue or debate with a person that has the same basic thoughts that I do so this is my last post on this subject.

Its was a campaign promise mostly due to Sanders pushing her. She never hammered it home. Most of her rhetoric was Trump is a bad guy. Which in the end only made more people vote for him. Trump didn't win. Hilary lost.

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 11:11 AM

Dante, please watch the vid & try to understand what the Neo-Liberal agenda is. These people are no better than the Trumps of the world, their mostly the same group.

TC My friend.

dante1 · 11-09-16, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Dante, please watch the vid & try to understand what the Neo-Liberal agenda is. These people are no better than the Trumps of the world, their mostly the same group.

TC My friend.

Thank you, you TC tool

Things will change on the side of the progressives K. You know that, they always do. And I understand what some people label the new liberals, I get that too. In my opinion, for the people that think she isn't liberal enough, what is your choice here my friend? Do you think I am crazy about the left of today, I am not. I even had reservations about some of the Obama stuff. But, again and I am tired of printing it, ...it takes time for people to accept liberal ideas. I mean our entire country proves that one fact. So you stone the moderate in favor of the crazy. Makes no sense. It can possibly threaten the liberal agenda for decades. I don't know that for sure, maybe the exact opposite will happen.

Turd Ferguson · 11-09-16, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by dante1

Right, but I did mean one that won.

I have been wrong on so many different things in my life and I admit to it. However, I cannot think of a legitimate reason for this to happen. And I don't want to sound like a crazy person but tell me what I am thinking incorrectly. It is too early to do bs exhaustive conclusions on this election but I will anyway. Three possible reasons.

One, the polls are useless. Well historically polls usually are pretty spot on. This election and a few others are exceptions but if the polls are so wrong, now keep in mind this is also the Fox poll, what happened. One answer is simply they were wrong, they didn't get the mood of the people. Don't know how that happens with almost all of them but I must accept it. They were wrong, or

Maybe, and this I refuse to believe this election was rigged. Is it possible some foreign power was able to rig an American election. This theory I give little weight to because it is simply crazy. This is what the crazies would be screaming if he lost. I cannot buy into it.

Third, one man James C with an unsubstantiated claim and it turns out to be a totally bogus statement changed the minds of enough people to change an election. This might be the most probable.

I cannot think of any other reason.

I'm trying to convince myself that he won't be that bad, that he was just conning these people(he did say once how easily duped R voters are), but it's hard to stay optimistic when you read these stories

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-075823237.html

khicks26 · 11-09-16, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by dante1

Thank you, you TC tool

Things will change on the side of the progressives K. You know that, they always do. And I understand what some people label the new liberals, I get that too. In my opinion, for the people that think she isn't liberal enough, what is your choice here my friend? Do you think I am crazy about the left of today, I am not. I even had reservations about some of the Obama stuff. But, again and I am tired of printing it, ...it takes time for people to accept liberal ideas. I mean our entire country proves that one fact. So you stone the moderate in favor of the crazy. Makes no sense. It can possibly threaten the liberal agenda for decades. I don't know that for sure, maybe the exact opposite will happen.

You know as well as I do that Trump is an incompetent boob. But Hilary is no champion either. People will accept liberal ideas from the right person. How else can you explain Sanders.

The DEM party had the chance & did everything they could to kill it. No way in hell Sanders loses to Trump. Most of this country leans to the left of what our leaders give us. In some ways Trump ran to the left of Hilary. That's why he won.

But only smart people saw it for what it was. We really had no choice at all.

khicks26 · 11-10-16, 08:04 AM

khicks26 · 11-10-16, 08:05 AM

brooks85 · 11-10-16, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

You know as well as I do that Trump is an incompetent boob. But Hilary is no champion either. People will accept liberal ideas from the right person. How else can you explain Sanders.

The DEM party had the chance & did everything they could to kill it. No way in hell Sanders loses to Trump. Most of this country leans to the left of what our leaders give us. In some ways Trump ran to the left of Hilary. That's why he won.

But only smart people saw it for what it was. We really had no choice at all.

lol alice has no idea how to handicap. That will happen when you don't base your thoughts on logic and fact but on what your pysche NEEDS to be true.

lol the bullshit you say makes for an hilarious clown show. Dumb as penetrate haha

Sanity Check · 12-11-18, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by dante1

I did say that this guy could win. ...........Is he really going to influence trade, start trade wars when every economist left and right claims, actually knows that will spell disaster for our economy.

I am fearful for my country however lets see what happens in the next four years. Thank god the founders instituted checks and balances.

If the country after four years is prospering and things look great I will say the crazies were right.

..........

So.

Was every economist left and right accurate on their calls?

RoyBacon · 12-11-18, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

You know as well as I do that Trump is an incompetent boob. But Hilary is no champion either. People will accept liberal ideas from the right person. How else can you explain Sanders.

The DEM party had the chance & did everything they could to kill it. No way in hell Sanders loses to Trump. Most of this country leans to the left of what our leaders give us. In some ways Trump ran to the left of Hilary. That's why he won.

But only smart people saw it for what it was. We really had no choice at all.

Infowars2833 · 12-12-18, 04:31 AM

Karma will kick Hillary into prison in due time. She's going down. All those who defended her cause are just as bad. bended the laws of the constitution for a lying murdering hag. shameful.

chico2663 · 12-12-18, 07:03 AM

Got to hand it to Trump. He definitely would of made a better actor than nicholson. He would of said "HELL YES I ORDERED THE CODE RED!"
But the best was pelosi and chuck getting him to admit that he would take responsibility for the shut down. What was the best is she was heard to say "the wall is his manhood. AND HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH MANHOOD!" Guess she seen the sculpture of him in the park.

chico2663 · 12-12-18, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Infowars2833

Karma will kick Hillary into prison in due time. She's going down. All those who defended her cause are just as bad. bended the laws of the constitution for a lying murdering hag. shameful.

buddy if you have a speeding ticket you have a worse record than her.

RoyBacon · 12-12-18, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by dante1
I did say that this guy could win. ...........Is he really going to influence trade, start trade wars when every economist left and right claims, actually knows that will spell disaster for our economy.

I am fearful for my country however lets see what happens in the next four years. Thank god the founders instituted checks and balances.

If the country after four years is prospering and things look great I will say the crazies were right.
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No you won't. You will pull a chico and find some sliver of negativity. Maybe it's one arm lesbo wall paper hangers did worse. But you will never admit we needed Trump to get the economy going.