I'm not a "poker is rigged" kind of guy, but...

**Jimmy Proffett** · 02-18-12, 07:27 PM

That's pretty bad. Had to have drunkenly misread his hand. Doing something like that while being able to see hole cards is waaaaaay too obvious.

**daneblazer** · 02-18-12, 07:27 PM

How about a drunk bot working for the poker site that was able to see your cards?

**GamblerSpirit** · 02-18-12, 07:34 PM

LMAO at this guy's story.

Drunk and stupid.

Yup, you hit it on the head.

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 07:37 PM

Guys, I'm not sure what it was. I've honestly never seen anything like that before.

If either of you are on Bookmaker (I guess it's True Poker's affiliate), his handle is ThrowinHunnids.

I've never seen him before today. I typically play cash games.

**OMGRandyJackson** · 02-18-12, 07:49 PM

Man your playing with 5-2 and complaining because you lost to 6-4? Your play of this pot was stupid just like his IMO.

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by OMGRandyJackson

Man your playing with 5-2 and complaining because you lost to 6-4? Your play of this pot was stupid just like his IMO.

Way to understand the point.

**GamblerSpirit** · 02-18-12, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Way to understand the point.

What point? It's amazing when people talk about losing when they themselves knew they were losing all along, and just wanted to make a "squeeze" or "blind raise", etc. Next time, complain when you actually have something to complain about.

**daneblazer** · 02-18-12, 07:59 PM

I like how the title is "I'm not a poker is rigged guy", then you go about explaining why you think poker is rigged

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by GamblerSpirit

What point? It's amazing when people talk about losing when they themselves knew they were losing all along, and just wanted to make a "squeeze" or "blind raise", etc. Next time, complain when you actually have something to complain about.

The point is the guy called a huge river-bet with six high.

Everything happening before that is irrelevant.

But I will take under advisement the idea of only raising if I have a quality hand in pre-flop. Thanks.

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

I like how the title is "I'm not a poker is rigged guy", then you go about explaining why you think poker is rigged

I said that in option #1 he was drunk and stupid.

It still the likely story here.

**OMGRandyJackson** · 02-18-12, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

The point is the guy called a huge river-bet with six high.

Everything happening before that is irrelevant.

EVERYTHING before the river is COMPLETELY relevant. Maybe the guy was sitting at your table for a while and noticed something.

You are right that the dude made a horrible play but so did you. You also said this tournament was not very big so maybe the guy just didnt care. Plus you said it was rebuy. Was rebuys over? Maybe he jus said **** it im alrdy in this far, lets see what he has and then Ill just rebuy.

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by OMGRandyJackson

EVERYTHING before the river is COMPLETELY relevant. Maybe the guy was sitting at your table for a while and noticed something. You are right that the dude made a horrible play but so did you. You also said this tournament was not very big so maybe the guy just didnt care. Plus you said it was rebuy. Was rebuys over? Maybe he jus said **** it im alrdy in this far, lets see what he has and then Ill just rebuy.

Yeah, the rebuys and add-ons were over.

Even if I was an out-of-control maniac, there's no way he can call a pot-sized bet on the river with six high. The only hands he could even beat were 5-4, 4-2, and 5-2. That's it.

It was just perplexing.

Maybe he hit the wrong button. Who knows. I'll never know.

I tried talking to him in the chat box, but to no avail.

**RudyRuetigger** · 02-18-12, 08:20 PM

could just be a drunk guy/misread hand...but that hand does raise some suspicion..but if it was rigged would they make it that obvious?

dane i was out in 10th, john caught me with a9 on my sb/bb steal

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

could just be a drunk guy/misread hand...

For my sanity, I'm going to assume this was the case.

I just went back and looked and saw the guy finished in ninth place. So if he was somehow cheating, he's not even very good at that.

**OMGRandyJackson** · 02-18-12, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Yeah, the rebuys and add-ons were over. Even if I was an out-of-control maniac, there's no way he can call a pot-sized bet on the river with six high. The only hands he could even beat were 5-4, 4-2, and 5-2. That's it. It was just perplexing. Maybe he hit the wrong button. Who knows. I'll never know. I tried talking to him in the chat box, but to no avail.

Do you play a lot of poker? This kind of shit happens alot man. Players call with really bad hands all the time and generally lose. This guy just happened to call with a really bad hand and beat your really bad hand.

**The Giant** · 02-18-12, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by OMGRandyJackson

Do you play a lot of poker? This kind of shit happens alot man. Players call with really bad hands all the time and generally lose. This guy just happened to call with a really bad hand and beat your really bad hand.

Yeah, I play a lot. Way too much, in fact.

I'm just going to chalk it up to the #1 rule in poker: don't bluff a donkey, even if they only have six high..

**OMGRandyJackson** · 02-18-12, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Yeah, I play a lot. Way too much, in fact. I'm just going to chalk it up to the #1 rule in poker: don't bluff a donkey, even if they only have six high..

Then you should know this shit happens! Variance! Your 5 high will be better now!

**OMGRandyJackson** · 02-18-12, 10:26 PM

Plus he could have been on tilt

**Jonny Fairplay** · 02-19-12, 02:36 AM

What would you bet three-barrels with on that board?

Your hand looks weak.

**The Giant** · 02-19-12, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Jonny Fairplay

What would you bet three-barrels with on that board?

Your hand looks weak.

I represented strength the whole way. The ace on the river was a great card for me to bluff at.

If he has a 9, fine, I'm okay with that, I bluffed away my money. But he had six high, it was just insane. Maybe this was his first time playing poker. Whatever. I'm over it.

**tatddy** · 02-19-12, 03:36 AM

There is a lack of comprehension of poker fundamentals in this thread and none of it on the part of the OP. Saying that the caller had a "read" and using a word like "variance" are missing the point. Nobody is calling down on the river based on reads or board texture here. The opponent would need 10 high or better to even think about a hero call.

Drunk or newbie most likely...it's a low level tournament...happens all the time.

**GUMMO77** · 02-19-12, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by tatddy

There is a lack of comprehension of poker fundamentals in this thread and none of it on the part of the OP. Saying that the caller had a "read" and using a word like "variance" are missing the point. Nobody is calling down on the river based on reads or board texture here. The opponent would need 10 high or better to even think about a hero call.

Drunk or newbie most likely...it's a low level tournament...happens all the time.

Spot on, Tatddy.

There are only 3 reasonable scenarios how this guy calls that board with 4/6: 1) super-user (unlikely), 2) mis-click (possible), and 3) misread hand thinking he had a straight (probable)

**ODDmaster** · 02-19-12, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by GUMMO77

Spot on, Tatddy.

There are only 3 reasonable scenarios how this guy calls that board with 4/6: 1) super-user (unlikely), 2) mis-click (possible), and 3) misread hand thinking he had a straight (probable)

I would think it was 2nd option.

**Jonny Fairplay** · 02-19-12, 04:55 AM

That ace on the river is not a real scare card

**MagicMaker** · 02-19-12, 05:53 AM

Nobody in their right mind calls a huge re-raise on the river with 6 high. Zero amount of thought is required to comprehend this. You either see the hold cards or put on a blindfold. Whats up with all the clowns on this site?

**Ian** · 02-19-12, 07:35 AM

Barry Greenstein has an anecdote that goes something like this.

You're offered +110 on a coinflip. You've seen the coin land heads 20 times in a row. What do you do?

A superstitious person will tell you to bet on heads because heads flips are on a streak. A statistician will tell you to bet either side; it doesn't matter because your odds are the same either way. A pro gambler will decline the bet because the pro knows there's enough of a chance the flip is rigged that it doesn't justify making the wager.

I think this anecdote is relevant for OP.

**thetrinity** · 02-19-12, 11:08 AM

prob hit the wrong button. the sites r smart enough to make their bots look respectable.

**Legions36** · 02-19-12, 12:51 PM

Well just so u know OP if the story is true then u have to think for sure u were cheated by maybe a superuser, who calls down with 6 high for there whole stack. In that scandal that was caught for super user the dude was calling down with 10 high, 6 high is just crazy. Unless the guy was dunk and just messing around because didn't u say it was a rebuy? people do crazy things when they know they can rebuy.

**wantitall4moi** · 02-19-12, 04:14 PM

Anyone that plays any casino type or card type game on the internet is s frigging fool and deserves to get cheated.

Anything that is internally controlled by the site youre playing on or can open up a possibility of cheating of any sort is a simple no no.

Anyone that ever claims to win is a plant by the site to entice people to play. Or the one in a million guy who got lucky and hit something to make it look legit.

There are card rooms on every frigging street corner these days so if you really HAVE to play go there, if you play online you should just be playing for fun.

**GamblerSpirit** · 02-19-12, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by wantitall4moi

There are card rooms on every frigging street corner these days so if you really HAVE to play go there, if you play online you should just be playing for fun.

This is true if you live in the city, but for most of these people, they don't have that privilege.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-19-12, 04:31 PM

this is the exact scenario which led to the Ultimate Bet scandal..guy called a huge river bet with 9 or ten high which led to the whole superuser cheating coming to light. Your opponent either misread hand or could see your cards. If he could see your cards somehow, still a dumb call as plays like this will lead to investigation.

**ttwarrior1** · 02-19-12, 04:50 PM

go post that hand on 2 plus 2 and other forums, need an investigation

**yahoonino** · 02-19-12, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

I represented strength the whole way. The ace on the river was a great card for me to bluff at.

If he has a 9, fine, I'm okay with that, I bluffed away my money. But he had six high, it was just insane. Maybe this was his first time playing poker. Whatever. I'm over it.

i totaly agree whit you ,,,he probable was is first time playng ,,that was on insane call on is part,,,

**icemaster47** · 02-19-12, 10:32 PM

as much as it pains me to admit it, I have been on the other side of this equation once. For me it was a true mis-click. I was tilting and disgusted that I played a hand so bad and frustratingly clicked and sorta tossed my mouse aside at the same time.
Of course I clicked call instead of fold and I won. Now I had ace high on a blank board and won, not quite 6-4 but I was trying to fold... and won the pot.