Calling YOU out

**Carseller4** · 10-26-11, 01:51 PM

What constitutes a "hit and run"?

When I play I am usually in it for the long haul, that is what kills me in the end. Don't know when enough is enough.

Seriously...Is just playing 4 or 5 hands and leaving "hit and run"?

Just curious.

**mighty maron** · 10-26-11, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

I'm not even good at poker and people hit and run me.

Starting a list of people I won't play due to their fukkin BS.

SupermanN1
Kevin6 (I think thats right, but its something like that)
JakePeavy21
Wrigley

A few more that are on the border, I will give benefit of the doubt as of right now. But these are well respected posters and I have a feeling its not a coincidence.

If someone hit n runs you, point it out

...

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-26-11, 01:58 PM

just played 3hands with supermanN1, hit n ran after an all in river. thats an auto hit n run

jake peavy won all in hand then left auto. hit n run.

kevin6 left after about 6 hands all in.

wrigley left after all in win. auto hit n run

(not all these are against me)

some more present other problems. i wont name right now

**Carseller4** · 10-26-11, 01:59 PM

I was up against wtt one on one in a ring game once.

I had like 25 points and he had over 150.

5 hands in a row he went all in and I folded each time then I left. Hope this wouldn't be considered Hit and Run. Guy was taking advantage of a short stack.

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-26-11, 02:00 PM

oh yea.

mightymoron...not really a hit n run but he realized he cant compete with me

hey moron, how does it feel to be someones bitch?

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-26-11, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Carseller4

I was up against wtt one on one in a ring game once.

I had like 25 points and he had over 150.

5 hands in a row he went all in and I folded each time then I left. Hope this wouldn't be considered Hit and Run. Guy was taking advantage of a short stack.

no you have to be up chips. if ur down u can leave any time

**mighty maron** · 10-26-11, 02:04 PM

Playing for SBR poker points at the ring table =

All this venom for seventeen fiddy

**mighty maron** · 10-26-11, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

oh yea.

mightymoron...not really a hit n run but he realized he cant compete with me

hey moron, how does it feel to be someones bitch?

chuckle

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 10-26-11, 02:26 PM

Rudy, I was trying to clear my rollover. We played for 10 minutes or so and I told you as much at the table I thought. Did I break an unwritten rule at SBR Poker? I will gladly buyin for 300 or so next time I have some points to clear. Good luck at the tables. That is complete and utter BS that I played 1 hand and left.

**mighty maron** · 10-26-11, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

I'm not even good at poker and people hit and run me.

Starting a list of people I won't play due to their fukkin BS.

SupermanN1
Kevin6 (I think thats right, but its something like that)
JakePeavy21
Wrigley

A few more that are on the border, I will give benefit of the doubt as of right now. But these are well respected posters and I have a feeling its not a coincidence.

If someone hit n runs you, point it out

This

**supermanN1** · 10-26-11, 03:09 PM

so for everybody to understand, hit & run means to raise so the opponent folds and after to leave the table stealing the blind, what I played with you reached the river and I was commited in the hand and I had to raise all in, you called and I had the better hand. I did not go all in to put you off the hand just to still the pot. I was " all in " in the river and u call me and u lose. I dont understand what is the problem? and If I win or lose I leave the table when I want .

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 10-26-11, 03:31 PM

Other than the obvious (cheating/collusion), all's fair in love, war and poker.

Anyone's free to play as many or as few hands as they damn well please...

**msutter** · 10-26-11, 05:46 PM

Whining is way worse than a hit n run imo. Especially when it's over SBR points

**BeerDog99** · 10-26-11, 07:28 PM

A hit and run is where you double up (usually a shortstacker) and then leave.

It is not against any rules.

It is against good poker etiquette.

Poker sites try and limit this by imposing an timelimit to leaving and re-joining a table with a smaller buyin than you left with.

Say what you will, poker has rules and rules of thumb. Te general rule of thumb is that you should give people fair play chances to regain their chips. That is why there is a rule that you are not allowed to "go south" (i.e. take chips off the table).

If you stay for more than one orbit after doubling up through someone I consider it a non-issue, otherwise it is loser move.

Cheers and good luck all!

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 10-26-11, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

A hit and run is where you double up (usually a shortstacker) and then leave.

With all due respect, BD, that is YOUR definition (whether I agree w/it is irrelevant), but as the term is most definitely subjective, people are all over the map as to what THEY define as a "hit n' run".

I've seen people (in B&M and online) whine about a maxed buy-in player playing a short time, winning a decent amount, then leaving... "Hit n' run!" (Maybe he had to meet his wife or pickup his kid?... and could only play for a short time for whatever reason.)

Or the guy that's stuck big-time from another table moving over to yours -- then finally catching a quick heater -- and having the good sense to finally leave to minimize his losses... "Hit n' run!"

Point being, not all hit n' run's are the same in definition, nor equality.

Originally posted by BeerDog99

It is not against any rules.

It is against good poker etiquette..

Ah... maybe, maybe not.

It's not against any rules because of the obvious: people are free to gamble their money any damn well way they want.. PERIOD.

Now, one is sitting at a friendly home game with their buds and in the first half-hour they're up big and then decide to call it an early night... well, yeah, we can all pretty much agree that's a dick move.

But if one's at a casino or playing online at Stars (perhaps you view SBR poker more like a "buds home game" cuz of the forum community?... that's OK, I'm sure many do) that person only owes the other players they're playing against not to be a scumbag cheater/obnoxious asshole. Nothing more.

Everybody sitting at the table has their own agenda. Everybody is carrying out that agenda. Passing time, having fun, seriously trying to make money (real money sites) or even wanting a free pizza or Ipad... point is, JakePeavy's agenda that particular moment in time is different than Rudy's, which is different than mine, than BD's, etc. And more importantly, everyone has a right to pursure their agenda.

The fact that JakePeavy's agenda doesn't currently mesh with Rudy's isn't JP's fault.

Now let me hasten to add, BD, that my sensibilities are pretty close to yours in that if I'm up I'll def hang around awhile (I tend to play long sessions anyway for most part). You've played enough with me to know this is the case. Believe me, I've been the 'victim' of hit n' runners too many times to count over the years... but, I accept it as part of the game -- cuz of reasons previously outlined -- and def don't whine about it. It's, to me, akin to whining about bad beats. It's part of the game of poker...

Originally posted by BeerDog99

Poker sites try and limit this by imposing an timelimit to leaving and re-joining a table with a smaller buyin than you left with.

Say what you will, poker has rules and rules of thumb. Te general rule of thumb is that you should give people fair play chances to regain their chips. That is why there is a rule that you are not allowed to "go south" (i.e. take chips off the table).

Again, with all due respect, BD, you're confusing two concepts here. The above rules you're mentioning speaks to "RATHOLING", not hit n' running; with the operative difference being THE ACT OF PLAYING.

If someone wishes to continue PLAYING (and those that leave and come back are obviously desirous of continuing play) then yes, appropriately, all the chips that were in play should be required to still be in play. Someone trying to RATHOLE is different than a hit n' runner. A hit n' runner is gone like the proverbial fart in the wind; a dirty ratholer is trying to win more of your money with your money.

Want me to prove the difference? You and I can be the genteel poker players (that we are!) sitting at a SBR table, up in chips, and stay for a long while giving everybody a chance to win chips back from us. Voilà!... we've passed the test. Neither Bite nor BD is a gawddam hit n' runner! Congrats to both of us all around!

But let either of us jump off the table and in a short period of time try to jump back on. What happens? Ah, the rules you're stating above kick in, that's what happens! But hey, WTF?... we ain't no stinkin' hit n' runners... what gives? We're here to PLAY (and therein lies the difference; the rules you noted are stopping Bite and BD from being stinkin' ratholers... NOT hit n' runners).

Originally posted by BeerDog99

Cheers and good luck all!

CONCUR, fine sir!

**BeerDog99** · 10-26-11, 10:41 PM

All valid points BiteMe. My points are based on my general understanding of what I have seen as the poker etiquette followed by reasonable poker players.

Cheers

**daneblazer** · 10-26-11, 10:49 PM

The hit and run is just another form of loss aversion. The majority of the players that do this will make daring moves to double up then bolt to bank their chips and avoid losing them. It's frustrating when you're a victim, but if you play enough hands against these guys you'll end up hitting them more often than watching them run.

**eberetta1** · 10-26-11, 11:37 PM

If it is for rollover, after you complete 3X rollover you can lose the points. I like to instead, start on the next rollover. So you have to leave the table to start on the next rollover. Then sit out a hand, and start on the next rollover. By then someone else is in your seat. And the people say it is a hit'n'run. Where all I am guaranteeing is the 300 point rollover I just finished does not turn into a big zero. I have like 8 rollovers I am trying to knockout, if you wanna call em hit n runs, fine by me.

SBR tables do have a 30 minute rule which if you leave a table, you cannot return to the table with fewer chips for 30 minutes, it is considered the same session.

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 10-26-11, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

The hit and run is just another form of loss aversion. The majority of the players that do this will make daring moves to double up then bolt to bank their chips and avoid losing them. It's frustrating when you're a victim, but if you play enough hands against these guys you'll end up hitting them more often than watching them run.

Agree, db... and it speaks to the whole idea of "agenda" that I previously spoke to... everyone at the table has one... *GASP*... even Rudy!

Another point not yet mentioned that a lot of the whiners of the hit n' runners fail to grasp is the hit n' runners are STILL PUTTING THEIR CHIPS AT RISK! A win by them is obviously not guaranteed... and you never hear from those whiners when they've snapped off about 10 hit n' runners in a row and are curiously all in love with the hit n' runners' strategy at that point.

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 09:45 AM

my god i cant believe how many dumb responses i got. i started to quote them all but thatd be 90%.

i guess this confirms how fukkin dumb you are by all the points i win off of you.

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 09:59 AM

next you guys are going to tell me changing seats at a non full table and disconnecting on purpose are not angle shooting tactics.

ignorance does not need to be repeated

**borednaz** · 10-28-11, 10:01 AM

Hit and Runs are to common at these tables. NyJets something or other I have seen do this multiple times. However he does usually sit at the same table limits so I'll assume it's time issues. But a hit n run is not just improper etiquette I played Rudy on a few occasions I hope he does not consider me a hit n runner as I have even stayed heads up against him for many hands but did come out slightly ahead.

The truth is if your sitting out of your limits and get "lucky" then realize it so you run scared (I find this to be the truth a lot of the times not an intentional HNR); well then your just a punk who should be blacklisted so to speak. Rudy has the right idea as it only helps the forum to keep an active list of offenders much like this, it also gives the accused a forum in which to dispute like the ones above did.

**daneblazer** · 10-28-11, 10:08 AM

I can deal with it, but the majority of players will agree that it's a pretty bush thing to do. I guess you can take solace in that the majority of the players who hit & run frequently are not going to be winning players. There's nothing in the rules against hit & running, but there's nothing against the rules against slow rolling either.

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 10:08 AM

We need more posts like these.

Originally posted by BeerDog99

All valid points BiteMe. My points are based on my general understanding of what I have seen as the poker etiquette followed by reasonable poker players.

Cheers

Originally posted by borednaz

Hit and Runs are to common at these tables. NyJets something or other I have seen do this multiple times. However he does usually sit at the same table limits so I'll assume it's time issues. But a hit n run is not just improper etiquette I played Rudy on a few occasions I hope he does not consider me a hit n runner as I have even stayed heads up against him for many hands but did come out slightly ahead.

The truth is if your sitting out of your limits and get "lucky" then realize it so you run scared (I find this to be the truth a lot of the times not an intentional HNR); well then your just a punk who should be blacklisted so to speak. Rudy has the right idea as it only helps the forum to keep an active list of offenders much like this, it also gives the accused a forum in which to dispute like the ones above did.

Yea, its not "illegal" to hit n run. Its also not "illegal" to stiff points. If half the people in this thread got stiffed points, theyd have a heart attack and follow people around 10x (and ive seen some of you do it).

I'd never call someone out for being too good and tell people not to sit with them. Calling people out for poor etiquette is given. Hey, go check the points subforum and look at how you guys love the "stiff list", oh but having a hit n run, disconnect cheat, or changing seats at a table list is bad? give me a fukkin break.

I would reward people for listing names, but I think alot of you would just throw out random usernames

**daneblazer** · 10-28-11, 10:18 AM

I remember one time playing live where this guy was in a pot with one other player with about $300 in front of him. Bets about $250 on the river to leave about $50 behind. The other player goes over the top of him all in. So he has to call about $50 to win a huge pot. He moans and groans then motions over the waitress to order himself a fukin sandwich...in the middle of the hand! After he finishes ordering his burger, he then flips over the nuts.

Was that legal? Sure it was. Granted it was pretty funny to everyone at the table besides the slow rollee, but that guy lost a lot of respect with that hand. Just like baseball has unwritten rules, poker does too.

**Optional** · 10-28-11, 10:22 AM

Not having a go Rudy but I'm pretty sure it was you I was sitting next to you a table yesterday or day before and you left after taking my stack 3 times. Recall thinking 'what a bum' at the time.

**oiler** · 10-28-11, 10:25 AM

well rudy just suck it up and get them next time,had a few who did that but i guess they hit their rollover,with the rollover its going to always happen cause alot of guys just go all in and if the lose .they feel they never had it before that and if they win they are closer to rollover,there are a few players out there who do that on a regular basis but not going to mention names cause then this post will never end,so just play the game,from seeing your points,im amazed someone who has so many pointds would be crying over points...remember its just points not real money

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Not having a go Rudy but I'm pretty sure it was you I was sitting next to you a table yesterday or day before and you left after taking my stack 3 times. Recall thinking 'what a bum' at the time.

you obviously have the wrong person.
ive never even seen you sit at a 2/4, 5/10 table. i played smaller about 2 weeks ago and am fairly certain i never won anything worthwhile and didnt hit n run anyone. if you save hand histories check back and look (i save hand histories so ill look after you tell me table, date etc). if you are right i will send half my winnings back to you.

Only person that has a right to take a shot at me is d2bets. In 1 fairly decent sized hand I'm pretty sure it disconnected me before I got to push fold (he still won anyway, but I had the unfair chance at winning). Disconnects should be abolished.

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by oiler

well rudy just suck it up and get them next time,had a few who did that but i guess they hit their rollover,with the rollover its going to always happen cause alot of guys just go all in and if the lose .they feel they never had it before that and if they win they are closer to rollover,there are a few players out there who do that on a regular basis but not going to mention names cause then this post will never end,so just play the game,from seeing your points,im amazed someone who has so many pointds would be crying over points...remember its just points not real money

1. this thread was meant to CALL people out for hit n runs. I hope it never ends.

2. it amazes me people call this crying and whining. this is what the thread title says. CALLING PEOPLE OUT. Go check how many stiff threads there are in the point forum. Even a sticky thread with a list. Why should we not be allowed to have a hit n run thread? If someone hits n runs me for 1 half of a penny I'll call them out.

3. Its also amazing I'm the one "crying" over points, when they are the ones too scared to play with their points. ironic?

**oiler** · 10-28-11, 10:42 AM

rudy grow some nuts and stop your fukking crying,you sound like a little bitch cause you lost some points,next time i see u at the table .i will make sure i have some tissue so u can wipe away your tears when someone hits and runs,i guess your the type of guy that whats someone to play all day until they lose there points to u.alot of people have jobs and only have so much time,maybe lou will make a table for all the point criers and let them play against each othe rand cry when they lose

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by oiler

rudy grow some nuts and stop your fukking crying,you sound like a little bitch cause you lost some points,next time i see u at the table .i will make sure i have some tissue so u can wipe away your tears when someone hits and runs,i guess your the type of guy that whats someone to play all day until they lose there points to u.alot of people have jobs and only have so much time,maybe lou will make a table for all the point criers and let them play against each othe rand cry when they lose

seeing that you have 12 points i doubt we will be playing any time soon, champ

**Optional** · 10-28-11, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

you obviously have the wrong person.
ive never even seen you sit at a 2/4, 5/10 table. i played smaller about 2 weeks ago and am fairly certain i never won anything worthwhile and didnt hit n run anyone. if you save hand histories check back and look (i save hand histories so ill look after you tell me table, date etc). if you are right i will send half my winnings back to you.

Only person that has a right to take a shot at me is d2bets. In 1 fairly decent sized hand I'm pretty sure it disconnected me before I got to push fold (he still won anyway, but I had the unfair chance at winning). Disconnects should be abolished.

Sounds like I got the wrong man. Was a .50/1 table.

I just empathize then.

**oiler** · 10-28-11, 10:46 AM

im playing know u dumb bitch

**RudyRuetigger** · 10-28-11, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by oiler

im playing know u dumb bitch

109 points at a 2/4 game doesnt sound like a great idea to me.

I play guys I know I'm much worse than, just because its only sbr points. If you get points and beat me fairly out of 50,000 points I won't care. I'll be much more pissed at the guy that was angle shooting me for 10