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  • john111_x
    SBR Rookie
    • 06-29-11
    • 2

    #1
    Folding QQ preflop
    Everytime I get QQ i lose. I bet on the flop, get put all in (with only undercards on the board), I call the all in, and have the guy dominated. Then he catches 2 pair, trips, runner runner flush, etc.

    Would I be better off just folding this hand preflop? i know it sounds like a dumb question, but had I not been playing QQ for the past 2 weeks I would be up $100 (at least), but instead I lose 8/10 i play it.
  • bill2266
    SBR MVP
    • 10-17-07
    • 2016

    #2
    same here the ladies haunt me the most
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    • chemicalbrother
      Restricted User
      • 01-26-11
      • 4086

      #3
      i think you're having observational bias...

      there have been, say, 80% of the times that you've had QQ that they haven't been cracked. remembering the times that they have is a lot easier.
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      • daneblazer
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 09-14-08
        • 27861

        #4
        might as well start folding KK and AA preflop too then
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        • noober
          SBR MVP
          • 10-23-09
          • 2012

          #5
          never
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          • gryfyn1
            SBR MVP
            • 03-30-10
            • 3285

            #6
            You do not lose every time with QQ.

            Yes, this is a dumb question.

            Folding QQ, preflop is dumb, however, overplaying them is also dumb.
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            • nomeansno
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 05-01-10
              • 585

              #7
              You should definitely fold every pair PF, only play 27 and maybe 93 sometimes. Mix it up
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              • mikejamm
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 08-24-09
                • 11045

                #8
                Welcome to sbr poker. Doesn't matter if you're hold'in AA, larger stack or player chosen by sbr to win that night will bust your ass everytime! QQ you ask? Unless you flop quads, just fuk'in muck them!
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                • Czu81
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-25-09
                  • 1082

                  #9
                  Originally posted by noober
                  never
                  yepp... almost never, pretty good starting hand...
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                  • PlatinumBerg
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-01-10
                    • 1058

                    #10
                    QQ is overrated. One should only play suited connectors.
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                    • BigDaddy
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-01-06
                      • 8378

                      #11
                      yeah just fold it
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                      • stikymess
                        SBR MVP
                        • 05-19-10
                        • 3288

                        #12
                        I'll take QQ as a starting hand evertime and take my chances.
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                        • LegitBet
                          Restricted User
                          • 05-25-10
                          • 538

                          #13
                          Go to YouTube and search for how to play JJ.
                          Fukcing hilarious!!
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                          • darys
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 03-23-09
                            • 315

                            #14
                            not enough data to reach the conclusion. play more and you will find QQ most time treat u well.
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                            • borgsta
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 04-11-11
                              • 110

                              #15
                              If you want to be a losing player long term than yes fold QQ.
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                              • psv777ua
                                SBR MVP
                                • 03-17-10
                                • 2837

                                #16
                                Yes...Just fold it
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                                • boscokid
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-03-10
                                  • 1496

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by borgsta
                                  If you want to be a losing player long term than yes fold QQ.
                                  fold everything preflop - will save you tons of bad beats
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                                  • pozzy
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 07-02-09
                                    • 507

                                    #18
                                    I won't ever do it.. If I lose then Ill lose..
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                                    • nli07
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 07-03-06
                                      • 604

                                      #19
                                      You never fold pre-flop with QQ unless you get called all-in and suspect other player has you beat with AA or KK.
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                                      • TheBeautifulGame
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 08-26-08
                                        • 1286

                                        #20
                                        Just don't *** in your pants like a lot of people do, start betting stupidly heavy or go all in preflop with it. Just call, if someone raises a reasonable amount, call that to see the flop.
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                                        • Glitch
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-08-09
                                          • 11795

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by john111_x
                                          Everytime I get QQ i lose. I bet on the flop, get put all in (with only undercards on the board), I call the all in, and have the guy dominated. Then he catches 2 pair, trips, runner runner flush, etc.

                                          Would I be better off just folding this hand preflop? i know it sounds like a dumb question, but had I not been playing QQ for the past 2 weeks I would be up $100 (at least), but instead I lose 8/10 i play it.

                                          yeah i feel like im cursed with qq, would rather have pocket jacks any day. its gotten so bad i even gave that hand a nickname "the gold diggers" because they always burn me for my chips almost every time.

                                          instead of folding pre-flop ive started pushing all-in and hoping to just get the blinds. they hold up a little better against 1 opponent.
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                                          • mikeanite
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 04-13-10
                                            • 475

                                            #22
                                            looks like they don't believe u. if you play solid they'll respect u alil.
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                                            • ilciclope
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 07-16-11
                                              • 34

                                              #23
                                              nice hand
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                                              • brucethebear
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 08-16-10
                                                • 724

                                                #24
                                                Qq is bad luck for me, but will only fold if the play suggests I am against aces or kings.
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                                                • FlipK11
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 05-24-11
                                                  • 149

                                                  #25
                                                  Ah man...i could ponder on this sort of question all night. You guys can shoot all the odds and percentages out at me all you want, all night long. EVERY time i get pocket aces, no matter how i play the hand, weather i raise pre-flop, smooth call, i'll flop a set and sometimes i'll raise, sometimes i'll check. But in all honesty it doesn't matter and if i still had access to all of my hands played over the last year, i would gladly gather up photo evidence to show you guys how insane this really is. I lose with pocket aces 99.9% of the time and my heart actually sinks when i look down at my hole cards and see those two ******* A's popping out at me.

                                                  I'd say no though, play the bitches.
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                                                  • grind4moneyz
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 07-07-11
                                                    • 239

                                                    #26
                                                    To those mad about losing with AA, KK, QQ, etc.... You have to know when to fold QQ, KK, AA, etc.... on a scary board and when up against an oppponent that is providing resistance. It's always not about the hand you hold, but the hand range you think your opponent holds. It's still just a 1 pair hand

                                                    FWIW, I'm rarely folding QQ pre-flop but there are specific situations and circumstances in which I would.
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                                                    • lolbear
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 09-10-09
                                                      • 756

                                                      #27
                                                      everyone has their badluck hand. some people it's AA, some people it's AK, for you it's QQ. They lose like 10-15% more w/ those hands than most people do, just because of variance. It might be a good idea to start folding QQ on the flop unless you flop top set. can't remember how many times i lose with QQ. also let me know where and which tables you frequent.
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                                                      • Deep_Rest
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 11-29-10
                                                        • 841

                                                        #28
                                                        what is all this bad luck hand bs. come on guys it's the 3rd highest hand in terms of +EV. If you want to get technical, that means you lose money everytime you fold it preflop. My guess is that you're just in a downswing. If it continues for several months, then that means you play them wrong.
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                                                        • brucethebear
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 08-16-10
                                                          • 724

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Deep_Rest
                                                          what is all this bad luck hand bs. come on guys it's the 3rd highest hand in terms of +EV. If you want to get technical, that means you lose money everytime you fold it preflop. My guess is that you're just in a downswing. If it continues for several months, then that means you play them wrong.
                                                          When I say bad luck, I mean for me, qq is the hand I have that seems to run into aces more than any other. However, I agree with you. I am not folding qq preflop unless I have a great read that they are no good.
                                                          Btb
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                                                          • AzNDooM
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-29-08
                                                            • 1611

                                                            #30
                                                            Just bad luck, however I dotn think i Could fold QQ preflop. Ive done it once only and that was for a cash tourny where everyone before me was all in and over the top. Hoewver, 95% of the time I cant see myself laying those cards down.
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                                                            • MIAMIHURRICANE
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 06-20-09
                                                              • 362

                                                              #31
                                                              30replies..30 different answers
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                                                              • grind4moneyz
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 07-07-11
                                                                • 239

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by MIAMIHURRICANE
                                                                30replies..30 different answers
                                                                I think a lot of the answers offer pretty similar advice. In poker general questions like these are near impossible to answer with a simple answer. Poker is a game of situations and without specific examples it's hard to say what is the correct play, IMO.

                                                                Example: If your 3rd in Chips on the bubble of a major tournament and the chip leader (nit and his PFR is 5%) just happens to be at your table to your immediate left. Your on the button and UTG Raises all in and MP1 Raises all in when it gets to the Chip Leader in the Cutoff he 4bet shoves all in. Are you calling? I'm going to fold here because I've seen an all-in Raise, an all-in re-raise, and a 4bet shove by the chip leader who is a nit. Your almost NEVER ahead here and QQ's aren't playing that well in a 4way+ pot. You have plenty of chips and plenty of time to get your money in the middle in better situations.

                                                                Obviously, the above is an extreme example but it's hard to give advice on such general questions. Basically I'm rarely folding QQ pre, but there are situations in which I would.
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                                                                • zlate22
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 01-15-10
                                                                  • 511

                                                                  #33
                                                                  i have folded QQ only once chip leader was all in one guy had stack 2bb and it was bouble had to fold to get in the money
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                                                                  • muldoon
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-04-10
                                                                    • 4397

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by chemicalbrother
                                                                    i think you're having observational bias...

                                                                    there have been, say, 80% of the times that you've had QQ that they haven't been cracked. remembering the times that they have is a lot easier.
                                                                    This ^^^

                                                                    Just like sports betting, people rarely remember the lucky breaks or times they won easy, versus their bad beats.
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                                                                    • troutsky
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 08-31-10
                                                                      • 509

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Don't fold QQ preflop very often heh.
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