Just wondering if anyone has had the same issue I have been having. So since the FBI shut down the poker sites I have been making my way into the casinos to play some live cash games. Online I was a pretty decent player that would win a decent amount. I would win like 65% of my sessions. Mostly cash games. Playing a couple thousand hands a week. I have had 6 live sessions so far and have not had a winning session. Any tips??
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Where are you playing, live is usually alot softer and easier to win for a successful online player. Have you changed your game or are you playing the same way you played online? Are you getting bored with the slow hand per hr rate and spewing chips?Comment -
I thinks just pure variance... live game should be softerComment -
Don't play scared live.Comment -
It's a different type of game. I typical 200nl game at the casino or track is probably like a 25nl game on PS or Tilt, if that. You really have to be able to adjust to the people you're playing against.Comment -
In my experience so far is that live you must be able to read people and be hard to be read yourself. Live should be softer and u should be more successful................you should have a friend watch you play and help you identify any tells you may not be aware of...then play for bigger stakes.......poker is always different for each hand and each situation needs to be assessd on an ongoing fashion..good luck live and we will meet online some timeComment -
exactly what sim said. Online you play alot more because the site provides cards to make you play and you get involved a lot more. You will see a lot more boring hands live because its truly random. You have to create action. If your table is dead still blinds. If you have a loose table sit back and wait to strike and take down big hands. Do other things to keep your mind there, like pinching the waitresses ass or flirting with the asian chicks at your table. Act drunk and win. its easy liveComment -
Some great points made here. Online poker is rigged to generate rake. This is done by flops that hit several hands and.......this is HUGE in my opinion....the turn is designed to improve several hands and keep people in the pot. No question in my mind about that. It makes sense from the point of view of the table operator to do this. Big pots=BIG rake. There is far less action in casino poker and the number of hands per hour is far less in my experience. You may be forcing the action a little without intending to do so. Someone above mentioned an ipod, that is perfect. You need something to divert your attention for the 50 minutes each hour that you are not in a hand. I had the same problem when I started playing live (losing) and realized I was looking at way too many flops. You will turn it around. It sounds kind of stupid, but I bring poker related books to the table and read them. It has an additional benefit in that people think you are a fish and try and push you off a hand here and there. BOLComment -
Maybe just an adjustment period. I was so comfortable playing online. 4-10 tables at once. Now maybe I feel a little out of my element in the live game. Not that I am new to live games. Hopefully just a bad run of cards. I keep getting 2nd best hands and we know how that goes. Flop top two against trips and whatnot.Comment -
consider the fact
it is not rigget,
you make the action
play MORE RANDOM cards
bluff a lot more
and upset the other player by showing some bluffs
works for me many times they pay me very well on the real hand.
and more important, if your image is tide you will get no action.Comment -
live is gonna be way easier just longer grind timeComment -
live is better but don't have any casinos close byComment -
live is better if you can play live but u have to watch make sure you don't tip your had they are watching for thatComment -
The usual people chiming in about online is rigged, etc.
Here's one REAL difference. You probably aren't going to have as much fold equity in live games as you do online.
Online you make an iso raise to get heads up and it works most of the time. In many live games making the same iso raise will get you two additional callers and you are in a 4-way pot. Making that continuation bet maybe not as effective 5 ways.
Also, if you get raised on the river, the guy is probably not bluffing or balancing his range, unless he's a kid, then maybe.
Also, most people are not aware specifically of how much money is in the pot, at least when it comes to bet sizing. A guy might make what most of the table considers "a huge bet" on the river, but it's only 30% of the pot size. It's more about big chips rather than value of the pot, kind of hard to explain.
Maybe it's different where other folks play......Comment -
Well stated, cheers!
The usual people chiming in about online is rigged, etc.
Here's one REAL difference. You probably aren't going to have as much fold equity in live games as you do online.
Online you make an iso raise to get heads up and it works most of the time. In many live games making the same iso raise will get you two additional callers and you are in a 4-way pot. Making that continuation bet maybe not as effective 5 ways.
Also, if you get raised on the river, the guy is probably not bluffing or balancing his range, unless he's a kid, then maybe.
Also, most people are not aware specifically of how much money is in the pot, at least when it comes to bet sizing. A guy might make what most of the table considers "a huge bet" on the river, but it's only 30% of the pot size. It's more about big chips rather than value of the pot, kind of hard to explain.
Maybe it's different where other folks play......Comment -
Probably variance but most low stakes American players were pretty easy to beat.Comment -
Gotta move to canada!Comment -
This is my experience of transferring to live from online. People are there to Gambool. They will play any two cards for no other reason than the above. They have no idea about bet sizing, If they bet $25 preflop in a 1/2 NL game then hit the nuts. They will still only bet $35-45 max on the flop. Because it's BIGGER than their first bet so it's correct. Also my biggest jaw dropping moment was when I three bet reraised to get 5 callers.
Most players will go to show down holding bottom or middle pair decent kicker. Even better is when you hold an Over PP and they have the top pair top kicker. It's not that they are bad or even worst than online. What people never take the time to do is understand this is how they Learned to play. The Live culture is different. They see people calling down with bottom pair & winning. They see others betting incorrectly, so the are taught to play that way.
Remember we were just taught different because our culture was online.Comment -
Exactly. People in live games have no idea about bet sizes in relation to the pot. Certainly a lot of over-bets and over-raises.
The usual people chiming in about online is rigged, etc.
Here's one REAL difference. You probably aren't going to have as much fold equity in live games as you do online.
Online you make an iso raise to get heads up and it works most of the time. In many live games making the same iso raise will get you two additional callers and you are in a 4-way pot. Making that continuation bet maybe not as effective 5 ways.
Also, if you get raised on the river, the guy is probably not bluffing or balancing his range, unless he's a kid, then maybe.
Also, most people are not aware specifically of how much money is in the pot, at least when it comes to bet sizing. A guy might make what most of the table considers "a huge bet" on the river, but it's only 30% of the pot size. It's more about big chips rather than value of the pot, kind of hard to explain.
Maybe it's different where other folks play......Comment
