the probable bots in bodog

[sinmiedo]

tabasco tim
mira27
tphon
emotl
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please , feel free to ad to the list so we can avoid them or profit from them
the principal characteristic is that they all start short stack and have one move....all in

[BodogBecky]

FYI, you can be assured that bots are NOT welcome at Bodog and they directly violate the Player Agreement . The Bodog security team works hard with both bot prevention and bot detection and if someone is found to be violating the rules, they will be dealt with accordingly, resulting in account closure and seizure of funds.

Also, I have passed on the screen names listed above to the poker security department.

Thank you!
Becky

[FuzzyDunlop]

There is a much larger list if you sift through Jurollo's Official Quarterly threads in the zoo. I say keep them, they are buying them from the same 3-5 places and they're all super exploitable if you're on their left.

[BeerDog99]

Hey Fuzzy, can you post a direct link to this list? I searched a bit and could not find the info.

[sinmiedo]

FYI, you can be assured that bots are NOT welcome at Bodog and they directly violate the Player Agreement . The Bodog security team works hard with both bot prevention and bot detection and if someone is found to be violating the rules, they will be dealt with accordingly, resulting in account closure and seizure of funds.

Also, I have passed on the screen names listed above to the poker security department.

Thank you!
Becky

thank you very much Becky, i had play a lot of hands on your site to more or less suspect something that is going on.
Me and another players share the same suspicion, and , because is hard to proove it is just a warning to all the fair players.
I also got tips from real players that they had play long on Bodog.
I can deal with bad beats, but not with cheeters.
thank you again for taking care of the issue

[FuzzyDunlop]

Hey Fuzzy, can you post a direct link to this list? I searched a bit and could not find the info.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/search.php?searchid=17308843

They are all in here somewhere (minus the Poker Open thread) to narrow it down, change setting to 100 posts per page to make it easier.

[BeerDog99]

Thanks Fuzzy!

[kidk]

Yes there is no doubt BODDOG has bots even in the OMAHA HI/LO ...All sites have bots even if the sites say they have none ....they can't find them all its just a given that all sites will have some bots

[sinmiedo]

I also would like to add

Mike1219

[daneblazer]

FYI, you can be assured that bots are NOT welcome at Bodog and they directly violate the Player Agreement . The Bodog security team works hard with both bot prevention and bot detection and if someone is found to be violating the rules, they will be dealt with accordingly, resulting in account closure and seizure of funds.

Also, I have passed on the screen names listed above to the poker security department.

Thank you!
Becky

Yeah, there's no way a bot can get through the Bodog security teams super bot filter.

http://bonusbots.com/support/index.php?PHPSESSID=044446897e084e9a64eb572dbdf0e824&board=2.0

Yah, Check out all of the Bodog Update posts. It's not like this topic and these players haven't been discussed ad nauseam on other forums and brought to the 'security teams' attention. Bodog either simply chooses to ignore it or their security team can't do anything about it.

[kidk]

Yeah, there's no way a bot can get through the Bodog security teams super bot filter.

http://bonusbots.com/support/index.php?PHPSESSID=044446897e084e9a64eb572dbdf0e824&board=2.0

Yah, Check out all of the Bodog Update posts. It's not like this topic and these players haven't been discussed ad nauseam on other forums and brought to the 'security teams' attention. Bodog either simply chooses to ignore it or their security team can't do anything about it.

Maybe they dont care because the traffic there is so low so having bots shows like their is more people then their really is i mean they make their rake off of the bots too so why would they care

[sinmiedo]

i had play all day today and apparently the bots were not arround
maybe bodog got his house in order for once.
thanks becky

[JMUplayer]

What levels are they playing at?

[kidk]

they play at all levels to make it seems like they have more players then they really do

[nosniboR11]

man i really wish i could trust places like bodog

[mvp123]

man i really wish i could trust places like bodog

that is ashame too because there is alot of dead money on that poker site but i dont and wont use the dog for ANYTHING gl buddy

[sinmiedo]

they are all back and happy
i decided to move to play only tournaments and sng

[Czu81]

Jesus... almost 100% they are not bots...

[sinmiedo]

Trust me
there are at least 12
bodog is doing nothing about it
now that i m playing only sng and tournaments my account is going up

[downsouth]

Has anybody actually studied bots play. Once identified they can easily be taken advantage of.

[BeerDog99]

Has anybody actually studied bots play. Once identified they can easily be taken advantage of.

Thats what I would like to know....

[Czu81]

Trust me
there are at least 12
bodog is doing nothing about it
now that i m playing only sng and tournaments my account is going up

Now I think too...

[Roxxyfish]

well im not afraid of bots long term i beat them all

[daneblazer]

Yeah well... A good player knows what to do against them, but a fish hasn't a clue. They come in, clean the fish out, make it difficult for you to isolate the fish, then run over to another table once their stack becomes a certain percentage of the min buyin. It'd be different if a person was doing this, but they're not. The bots have unlimited stamina, so they can play all day long without making silly mistakes. They log in 10-14 hour sessions every day around the clock. One of the screen names mentioned in this thread has put in around 500,000 hands in less than a year span. That's pretty difficult to do when the site only lets you 4 table.

The fish is going to spend a lot more money with the site as well. The bots generate rake, but it's not as much as you think because they play less pots, the pots are usually small, and they look for dead money preflop. That generates less rake over the same time span than a fish playing 50% of his hands and playing for bigger pots. The fish would probably take his winnings and dump it into the sportsbook where as I'd be surprised if these bot guys venture outside of the poker room much at all. The only thing they do is put another player at the table and keep it going at a site where the action is dead sometimes.

It's not like bodog isn't aware of it. It's been going on for a while now, so they're obviously a part of the site, and it's perfectly fine if you don't like them.

[Richards]

Fish << Bots << Good players

Time spent lobbying bodog to police bots might be better spent identifying these bots and figuring out how to beat them.

They won't make mistakes and go on tilt like humans, but they also can't adapt like humans can, so I'd expect a large % of bots to be exploitable in one way or another.

Probably a small edge over the bot, but an edge that could be pounded indefinitely.

Deterministic behavior is a quality I like in opponents.

[BeerDog99]

Hey Dane, I agree with your basic points here.

that said, at the risk of embarassing myself, I am not sure on how to identify the bots.

The only "characteristics" I have seen identified are:
- Multi-tables for long periods
- Generally min-buyin.
- Tight agressive (given the min-buyin, they do a lot of open all-ins and sometimes steal dead money)
- Hit and runs. dbls up and leaves the table.
- Does not chat. Especially no emotion/rants....

If that is accurate and relatively complete, I do not know how this defines a bot. I have seen many players like this on Fulltilt and Pokerstars and I believe the general concensus is that there are little to no bots on these sites.

My assumption is that only the site can truly identify these bots because they can fully and accurately track the situation/plays and the "rules" the bots are following. If there is a person/bot playing 500,000 hands, I am sure that if it is a bot playing by specific rules, it would be readily apparent (to the math geeks).

So what am I missing on tagging these bots?

Cheers.

[daneblazer]

The things that you mentioned, more so the long sessions with a style of play that is always consistent. Their ranges never change. They never improve their game or go on tilt. The time they take to make an action is usually uniform. It's 1-2-3 bet, 1-2-3 fold, etc. Most of them have an exploitable tendency where you can 3 bet them (even min 3 bet most of the time) preflop and they'll fold everything but the top of their range. The people who run these things catch on to that and will position the bot to your left so you can't 3 bet them as often.

[Czu81]

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