Poker Wagering vs. Virtual Wagering

[proaviator]

The style used to play players against each other on a real table is a completely different attitude while playing in the virtual tables.

Noone ever sees your poker face. You're hidden. It's not necessarily easier nor harder from one to the other, it's just different.

Play both. See for yourself.

[yisman]

Online poker is just not real poker. Even more luck-based.

[Czu81]

Online poker is just not real poker. Even more luck-based.

???. Not really true...

[Richards]

They are different games. I don't know if one is "real" vs "fake" just different.

Reads are going to be more part of a live game while not really possible online to the same extent. Online reads is more about knowing a players history and what range he might show up with in a certain situation.

[apkboston]

there are also bet sizing tells, stack size tells, etc

online poker allows you to have a much larger sample size because the hands play so much faster!

rake is also lower making the game easier to beat in the long term

[yisman]

???. Not really true...

???. Very true.

They are different games. I don't know if one is "real" vs "fake" just different.

It takes a crucial part of the game away. Poker is supposed to involve reading your opponents, not just guessing whether they might or might not be bluffing.

[SpeedPro]

You can still read peoples play online. You just have to pay closer attention.

[lolguy999]

hell/... after this generation of internet players, do u think any1 besides real pros bothers to look at other people's faces anymore? I highly doubt it

[Conan]

???. Very true. It takes a crucial part of the game away. Poker is supposed to involve reading your opponents, not just guessing whether they might or might not be bluffing.

and i sapose online is more luck for you then i read people all the time online am i alwase right no am i right more often than not yes just pay attention

[OnlyMayo]

My thinking on this is that Online Poker involves more "statistical based moves" due to the fact you cant see your opponent. Live Poker includes the "read your opponent" factor and if you can understand the different styles you can dominate either...just my 2 cents

[Conan]

statistical play can be involved in live play as well there are many ways stiles and stratagies in both live and online

[OnlyMayo]

statistical play can be involved in live play as well there are many ways stiles and stratagies in both live and online

Agreed, I was trying to word that better. Just saying that statistics may weigh more heavily Online due to the fact you can't see your opponents "tells"...

[uofajoe99]

"Tells" to me are hugely misplayed by novices and semi-pros alike. If you are in a big pot in a $1/2 NL game you should be concentrating on the cards and placing your opponent on different groups of "might haves" instead of trying to count his hear rhythms or figure out what his eyes are telling you.....so with that in mind the "tells" of playing online can sometimes be MORE revealing than in small live play.

[yisman]

and i sapose online is more luck for you then i read people all the time online am i alwase right no am i right more often than not yes just pay attention

If you're playing online, there's a lot more guesswork and luck involved.

In person, if you're good at it, you can read when a person is bluffing.

Online, you can guess.

[Conan]

"Tells" to me are hugely misplayed by novices and semi-pros alike. If you are in a big pot in a $1/2 NL game you should be concentrating on the cards and placing your opponent on different groups of "might haves" instead of trying to count his hear rhythms or figure out what his eyes are telling you.....so with that in mind the "tells" of playing online can sometimes be MORE revealing than in small live play.

tells are important but you are right they are not what movies make them out to be i have used them to mutch sucsess but only in select circumstances and the "tells" that are used much more often are the ones leting you know the basic mindset of an opponent so you can formulate an effective stratagy as opposed to know what he has in a single hand.

[Conan]

online is more luck for you because you beleve it is and treat it that way but there are plenty of skilled players who use effective stratagy and developed skills to reduse the luck factor in there games both online and in live games

[yisman]

online is more luck for you because you beleve it is and treat it that way but there are plenty of skilled players who use effective stratagy and developed skills to reduse the luck factor in there games both online and in live games

Play me heads up and I bet I win at least 35% of the time.

It's more luck for everyone, not just me.

Online poker is online poker, regardless of how smart you think you are.

Sure you can use strategy and improve your odds. The game is still mostly luck, however.

[Conan]

so your goal is to give me almost a 2-1 edge?

[yisman]

I'd likely win more, but I'm setting a bare minimum, since you apparently think you can read players online.

[OnlyMayo]

Play me heads up and I bet I win at least 35% of the time.

It's more luck for everyone, not just me.

Online poker is online poker, regardless of how smart you think you are.

Sure you can use strategy and improve your odds. The game is still mostly luck, however.

This is the argument the government has against legalizing online poker. Players say its a game of skill and much different than an online casino which has more luck involved. The government says its no different than a casino, are you saying the same thing?

[wiffle]

lulz

[proaviator]

They are different games. I don't know if one is "real" vs "fake" just different.

Reads are going to be more part of a live game while not really possible online to the same extent. Online reads is more about knowing a players history and what range he might show up with in a certain situation.

Great point!

[proaviator]

Thank you everyone for the contributions. I think this was a successful thread.

Good discussion!