Is this standard or did I blow it?

[RudyRuetigger]

SBR Poker Tournament down to 3 people. Did I blow this hand or what? Obv if sinmiedo shipped it I was folding, but planned on calling if PSV shipped. Should I have played it differently?

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 159474
$0 + $15 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 13:45:00 16/02/2011 ET
Table 'Table 4821', 10 seats max, Real money
Seat 3 is the button. Small Blind $2000, Big Blind $4000
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : psv777ua, amount $27052, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : RudyRuetigger, amount $49993, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : sinmiedo, amount $58955, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
sinmiedo: Small Blind ($2000)
psv777ua: Big Blind ($4000)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to RudyRuetigger: [Ad, 5d]
RudyRuetigger: Raise ($8000)
sinmiedo: Fold
psv777ua: Raise ($26852)
RudyRuetigger: Call ($18852)
psv777ua: Show Cards ($0)
RudyRuetigger: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [3d, 4d, 5h]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [4c]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [Qs]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
psv777ua: Show Cards ($0)
RudyRuetigger: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $56304, Rake $0
Summary psv777ua: bet $30852, won $56304, net $25452, HoleCards [7h, 7d], HiHand [two pairs, sevens and fours] [7h, 7d, 4d, 4c, Qs], won $56304 from main pot
Summary RudyRuetigger: bet $26852, won $0, net $-26852, HoleCards [Ad, 5d]

[sinmiedo]

in my oppinion it was an easy fold
but again,it is your call, at that moment i think i folded k 6 or something like that.
A 5 is a very easy dominated hand, and as Skalansky theory explain you need at least 21 to push or a pair to call an all in, in that situation.
I m following that theory.
You had a lot of chips and could have wait for a better hand to push, that in my oppinion was very uncecesary risk you took.
GG Rudy.....and i hope to play again with you in another final table.
you are very good player, i just got the cards today.

[FuzzyDunlop]

The minraise makes no sense, if you can't jam it there, it's a pretty easy fold.

[LLXC]

You weren't getting odds to call.

[soni]

that totally sucks man! i had flush earlier and went all in but got smoked by full house, the other guy got his combination by receiving one matching card in the flop and the other one on the river to complete his full house. it SUCKS!!!!!

[mighty maron]

7's should have jammed preflop

[LLXC]

7's should have jammed preflop

7s did, he was in the BB and moved all in after a raise.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Your push range is 27.9% of hands which normally would be fine except that the SB's chips dictated he has an 83.7% push range 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T5o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 72s+ 74o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 54o 42s+ 32s and a 24% call range.

[RudyRuetigger]

yea calling i think was pretty horrible i fukked it up

[daneblazer]

Blinds are high enough that a min raise is fine. A min raise will accomplish the same as a 3x or 2.5x at this point. The short stack could be pushing with a huge range there especially if he's squeezing. I think the call is fine depending on your read.

[RudyRuetigger]

Your push range is 27.9% of hands which normally would be fine except that the SB's chips dictated he has an 83.7% push range 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T5o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 72s+ 74o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 54o 42s+ 32s and a 24% call range.

wait what? how do you give sb an 83% push range? sinmiedo was sb, and i think he was playing pretty tight to my button raises

[sinmiedo]

wait what? how do you give sb an 83% push range? sinmiedo was sb, and i think he was playing pretty tight to my button raises

Rudy is right, I play very tide till the fece up.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Basic ICM calc

[daneblazer]

wait what? how do you give sb an 83% push range? sinmiedo was sb, and i think he was playing pretty tight to my button raises

Then yeah, either shove or fold. Sin is only calling you with premiums, you have blockers to an ace and outs even if he does have one. As it played out though, I still think the call is okay based on your read...

[RudyRuetigger]

Basic ICM calc

Then yeah, either shove or fold. Sin is only calling you with premiums, you have blockers to an ace and outs even if he does have one. As it played out though, I still think the call is okay based on your read...

Thanks guys, I am well aware I have no clue at poker and especially tournament poker, so any bit helps.

[nosniboR11]

[Conan]

id say with just this info calling was a bad idea as mentioned A5 is easaly dominated you have to think what would he shove with? A_ almost alwase has you dominated any pair has you beat if not beat bad. your hoping hill shove over your rase with A234 an only that but maby he has a wide range because of how he was playing to make that a less bad call but still just my opinion

[wiffle]

i instashove pre

[Wulfman14]

you could have gotten an ace just as easily . then you would have been headed to saturday more than likely. you took a chance. i dont think it was a bad call at all. at the final table an ace is always something to be thought long and hard about before you fold or call. this was not a bad play at all pre flop. BUT if it were me i would have waited for something a bit stronger. especially since you were under no pressure ,you had a shitload of chips at yur disposal.

[wtt0315]

i think you call in that situtation in this tournment format. if you are playing to get 2nd and for cash and i understand a fold. you are playing to win here and thats that. he raises with probably anything there to steal the blind. you call with that. even if he called your raise you are pushing in on turn. i thinks its a good call with bad luck with what he had

[Czu81]

i think you call in that situtation in this tournment format. if you are playing to get 2nd and for cash and i understand a fold. you are playing to win here and thats that. he raises with probably anything there to steal the blind. you call with that. even if he called your raise you are pushing in on turn. i thinks its a good call with bad luck with what he had

yepp, pretty much agree...

[FuzzyDunlop]

i think you call in that situtation in this tournment format. if you are playing to get 2nd and for cash and i understand a fold. you are playing to win here and thats that. he raises with probably anything there to steal the blind. you call with that. even if he called your raise you are pushing in on turn. i thinks its a good call with bad luck with what he had

If he's raising, he's defending his blind, not stealing it when button is the one minraising A5. BB's shove range is pretty tight there, pretty much guaranteed to have A5 beat. If button doesn't minraise threre, he's not put in the position of calling off the shove where he's beat 90% of the time and the best case scenario is that he's a live 58/42 favorite, which again is highly unlikely.

[Wulfman14]

i jus tlost with J10 to A 5 . guy landed a straight and knocked me out of tourney

[BeerDog99]

i jus tlost with J10 to A 5 . guy landed a straight and knocked me out of tourney

Who was that? :-)

[Wulfman14]

Who was that? :-)

[lolguy999]

surprised ur A didn't hit. It never fails to knock me out when i got a big pair