For Those of you who think its all random...

[Sirus73]

I was playing on my wife's account, so i'm under "Dennine36".
Does this look random to you, first hand of the tourney:
(All 4 of us shoved pre-flop)

PokerStars Game #55961216584: Tournament #353179711, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/01/15 6:40:39 MT [2011/01/15 8:40:39 ET]
Table '353179711 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Goncharov B. (2000 in chips)
Seat 2: Pälzabub (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: henk0nator (1980 in chips)
Seat 4: WolfJacko007 (2000 in chips)
Seat 5: bruno05931 (2000 in chips)
Seat 6: tomtom108 (2000 in chips)
Seat 7: Dennine36 (2000 in chips)
Seat 8: ciomez (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: kalof793 (2440 in chips)
henk0nator: posts small blind 10
WolfJacko007: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dennine36 [Kh Kd]
bruno05931: folds
tomtom108: folds
Dennine36: raises 160 to 180
ciomez: raises 1820 to 2000 and is all-in
kalof793: folds
Goncharov B.: calls 2000 and is all-in
Pälzabub: folds
henk0nator: folds
WolfJacko007: calls 1980 and is all-in
Dennine36: calls 1820 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4d 3s Tc]
*** TURN *** [4d 3s Tc] [8s]
Dennine36 said, "wow"
*** RIVER *** [4d 3s Tc 8s] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WolfJacko007: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Dennine36: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
ciomez: shows [Qc Qh] (a pair of Queens)
Goncharov B.: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Goncharov B. collected 8010 from pot
Goncharov B. wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating WolfJacko007
Goncharov B. wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating Dennine36
Goncharov B. wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating ciomez
WolfJacko007 finished the tournament in 86th place
Dennine36 finished the tournament in 86th place
ciomez finished the tournament in 86th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8010 | Rake 0
Board [4d 3s Tc 8s 6s]
Seat 1: Goncharov B. showed [Ah As] and won (8010) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Pälzabub (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: henk0nator (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: WolfJacko007 (big blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: bruno05931 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tomtom108 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Dennine36 showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: ciomez showed [Qc Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: kalof793 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[uofajoe99]

??? Don't quite understand...Random would increase the possibility of this type of hand. Random doesn't discriminate. This is a perfectly plausible group of hands. I've seen this plenty of times even in live play, let along online where # of hands increase exponentially. Hell I'm impressed that AA held up..online someone could have easily called with JT spades and scooped it all...

[Richards]

If you saw this on 10 hands out of 20 I might wonder about randomness but one hand proves nothing, every hand combination is just as likely to occur as any other.

Players getting AA, KK, KK, QQ is just as likely as the same four players getting 72, 52, 38, 95

Of course I mean this specific combination of cards + suits. If you don't care what the suit is obviously there's more than one way to get a given pair. But any SPECIFIC hand combo is just as likely as any other.

[GUMMO77]

Crazy hand and you were unlucky, that's for sure. Maybe you would have better luck using your own account and not your wives. The Poker Gods tend to look down at men online playing with a woman's screen name ....

[Czu81]

I still think it is random...

[SBRMAN23]

Random isnt the word to describe it just unlucky and crazy but in the position you were in seeing all those all ins I'm surprised you didn't think someone had the aces you know

[Ian]

You can't tell if it's random or not by looking at one hand. You need to see a large sample.

Once at the Venetian I was dealt 7c3d three hands in a row. The chances of that happening are millions to one against, but that doesn't mean a mechanic was dealing to me.

[sq764]

seriously ONE hand? grab a few million and we can start disecting

[70kgman]

I think it is crazy to assume online poker sites aren't rigged to intentionally set up multiple big pre flop hands against each other at a higher than "random" rate to bring in the rake.

[GUMMO77]

I think it is crazy to assume online poker sites aren't rigged to intentionally set up multiple big pre flop hands against each other at a higher than "random" rate to bring in the rake.

I think it's crazy to ASSUME that. Why would a site like Pokerstars ruin its reputation with a faulty randomizer? They are already making a killing on the rake. They don't need any help in the money department.

[daneblazer]

if anything, this proves randomness

[bracerman]

Live hand from a table I was sitting at in a casino last week....

Player 1 Kh 8h
Player 2 Qh Th
Player 3 Jh 9h
Player 4 6h 5h

Flop 2h 3h 7h


If you play enough, these unlikely hands will happen.

[sq764]

I think it is crazy to assume online poker sites aren't rigged to intentionally set up multiple big pre flop hands against each other at a higher than "random" rate to bring in the rake.

this was a tournament.. the advantage to PS would be...?

[excel]

One hand and a dollar forty tourney at that.

[hunterwrot]

i have seen that same situation playing live. it is unlikely but it happens. on hand doesnt support much of an arguement. PS why are you playing on your wifes name anyway? lost all your chips and you trying to win it back?

[bracerman]

[5ammy]

Hooray sample size.

[Mr Handicapable]

I was playing limit on Pacific Poker years ago...had TT four handed....guy flopped quad 4s...I hit rr tens for quad tens....no bad beat jackpot for him either....$hit happens??

[sapidoc]

Tell me when this happens to you again.