Don't play poker at Betpop or YouWager

Ian · 09-29-10, 12:44 PM

What?

This guy Max seems to be forgetting that tournies get juiced too. Banning poker players for winning tournaments is moronic.

legendmatt34 · 09-29-10, 10:12 PM

Isnt it. Never seen anything like it..

Blacke · 09-29-10, 11:37 PM

Is that serious?

thechaoz · 09-30-10, 02:16 AM

Wow this is so bad it's not even close? Tourneys are juiced/raked too. Someone has to win but plenty lost.

legendmatt34 · 09-30-10, 10:18 AM

This is the whole chat. Guy shouldnt be allowed to run anything.. Terrible business. Cheats customers.

You are now chatting with 'Becca'

Becca: Hello. How may I assist you?

95057: can i have poker again?

Becca: one moment please

Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Max'.

You are now chatting with 'Max'

Max: Hi sir..

95057: hello sir

Max: I disabled your account

95057: why this time?

Max: because as we previously spoke

Max: we do not allow players to bankroll their account through our tourneys

Max: cash and freeplay tourneys

95057: im playin cash games

Max: which is what you have been doing while giving us minimal rake at the cash tables..

Max: and playing the lowest stakes possible..

Max: yes i see

95057: no im playin 2nd one up

Max: however your total cash game action

Max: is minimal compared to other players

Max: You are not allowed to play any more tourneys sir.

95057: its the only table with players

Max: I am sorry sir.

95057: u said i had 2 weeks

Max: sir

95057: its been 5 days

Max: yes sir

Max: however i made a final decision on your account tonight

Max: no sir

Max: it has been almost 2 weeks

Max: the decision is final

Max: You are not allowed to play any more tourneys

95057: i play the only tables with players

Max: you are welcome to play cash tables..

95057: what more can i do?

Max: and I will review your cash game action in 1 month

Max: and i will reconsider my decision then..

Max: however for now

Max: you are not allowed to play any more tourneys..

Max: sorry sir

95057: max its been a week

95057: u said i had 2

Max: your cash game action is minimal compared to other players..

95057: give me a chance to play em

Max: as advised sir

Max: the decision is final..

95057: i went out of town for a few days

Max: you may play cash tables sir

Max: do not play any of our tourneys sir..

95057: U said u were a man of your word

95057: u told me i had 2 weeks to get my rake up

Max: ?

Max: management decisions are final sir.

95057: but ur word isnt final?

Max: as advised sir

95057: i never see the other players at the cash games

95057: topchef

95057: and them

95057: why are u picking on me?

Max: we are not discussing other players sir

Max: this is about your account

95057: yes did u not say 2 weeks?

Max: would you like to have your poker account enabled

Max: so that you may play cash tables..

Max: ?

95057: yes. and id like to be treated fairly as well

95057: ill play the cash games all week

Max: not enough sir

Max: i told you several times..

95057: max

Max: the decision is final..

95057: tahts the only table that has players on it

Max: sorry

95057: do u not see that?

Max: sir

Max: i will activate your account

Max: please do not play any tourneys

Max: if you do

Max: Your account will be closed..

95057: can i play the end of month tourny that i earned?

95057: u just said i could play monday nite too

Max: no sir

Max: you are disabled from all tourneys

Max: you may play monday night only.

Max: that is ok..

95057: if i didnt win any of the tourneys would u still be bustin my balls?

Max: sir as advised

Max: we have guidelines that need to be met

Max: which apply to all playes

Max: players..

95057: yes and u said i needed to play more

95057: and i have been

Max: I am very sorry, but that is the way it works..

95057: i dont think ur' being fair at all

Max: not enough sir..

Max: sorry sir..

Max: best of luck in Monday's tourney

Max: have a nice evening..

95057: did u open my acct?

95057: the 9 pm started

Max: yes sir

95057: and i signed up before

95057: can i play it boss?

Max: 9pm?

95057: yes

Max: yes sir

95057: why thank u

Max: you are welcome sir

95057: u told me last week u were fair with all players

95057: guess that was a lie

Max: i am sorry sir

Max: i have to follow poker room guidelines and upper management decisions..

Max: best of luck at the tables sir..

95057: yes u said i had to play more

Max: if your cash game action improves in the next month

95057: and i have

Max: then we can talk about this decision then..

95057: u didnt say how much

Max: yes but you have not played enough sir

Max: i am sorry

95057: thats not fair

Max: your cash game action is minimal compared to other players sir.

95057: all of them?

Max: I repeatedly advised you of this on several occassions sir..

Max: sir..

95057: yes and iv played at least 10 hours this week

Max: the decision is final..

95057: i have a job

95057: how can i play all day

Max: if you want to boost your cash game action..

95057: ?

Max: that would be great..

95057: ya cuz u make money off that

95057: of course

Max: and I will be happy at a future date to reconsider

Max: however for now the a decision has been made

95057: now i know what the'r talkin about in the forums about u

Max: our poker room is not designed for players to come in and bank roll of our tourneys while giving us minimal rake sir..

Max: due to the size of the poker room we have these guidelines..

95057: not like i dont pay for the tournys

95057: ther not free u know

Max: you are not the only player that has been banned from tourneys sir..

Max: the guidelines apply to all players sir

95057: yes well i made an effort

95057: i lost a lot on cash games the las 7 days

Max: i am sorry sir..

Max: i understand...

95057: ur not sorry. ur not being fair

Max: the decision has been made..

Max: anything else i can do to help you let me know..

95057: iv never seen a site run like this

95057: u get punnished for winning

Max: those are the rules sir..

Max: have a nice night..

Max: best of luck..

95057: can u email me the rules?

Max: no sir..

Max: the rules are not on the site..

95057: where are these rules?

Max: these are decisions that are made on a case by case basis..

Max: management decisions.

95057: u said the'r are guidelines

95057: where are these?

95057: just be honest.

Max: management guidelines sir

Max: i am not going to argue anymore

Max: have a nice night.

95057: u dont have an arguement

Max: good luck at the cash tables..

95057: ur just unfair

Chat session has ended.

ChileCheese · 09-30-10, 11:56 AM

clueless twaats.

ttwarrior1 · 09-30-10, 03:58 PM

2 people speaking in ebonics?

sinmiedo · 09-30-10, 11:08 PM

thanks for the heads up/

Jrod124 · 09-30-10, 11:10 PM

you wager is terrible. I wld never deposit. Calling me non ******* stop

thechaoz · 10-01-10, 01:34 AM

LOL so they don't even post the rules and expect you to know? This is insane. I was going to deposit at YouWager for NFL as I have been offered some decent bonuses. I have heard on this forum that they are solid. YOU PAY RAKE IN TOURNEYS just like cash games. He openly admits the rules aren't posted and it's just a decision of management. Oh well, I play at Full tilt etc anyway.

legendmatt34 · 10-01-10, 10:33 AM

you'r welcome..

vitalyo · 10-02-10, 10:20 AM

Unreal ! YouWager tell players what games they can play and what they can't .
Total bullshit .
Not allowing a player to play tourney is insane .
Well you can play them only on Monday (who the fvack plays on monday

) .
Monday tourneys are the least popular .

How about only on Monday ! Hours between 04:00 and 09:00

.
What a bunch of clowns .

legendmatt34 · 10-02-10, 05:41 PM

Now they wont even let me play the tournament I already qualified for. Its tomorrow night.. How do they get away with this bullshit?

darys · 10-03-10, 04:54 AM

never played in this. It's a joke how the rep talks.

legendmatt34 · 10-03-10, 07:48 PM

Yea real professionalism on this site.

Kindred · 10-03-10, 10:47 PM

C.S. · 10-04-10, 12:32 PM

The majority of my posting here has nothing to do with where I work, however in this case the one-side story is making me go against my better judgment and reply.
Below is the complete story.
legendmatt34 was told on numerous occasions that if he wanted to continue playing in our tournaments he would need to do one of two things.

1. Play more in the cash games.
2. Give more sports action. (with his own money... not money won from tournaments)

After many times of requesting this from the player... and him ignoring the requests, management decided to cut him off from tournaments.

Now I know most of you will say... UNFAIR, BS BOOK, etc.
Try to view it from the books point of view.
We are a sportsbook first, and offer poker as an accommodation to our sports players. We have a VERY small poker room. It is not on a network, all players are from our brands. We keep the sharks out. This means all the advantages that being on a big network gives you we don't receive.

All tournament payouts come out of our pocket, by keeping the sharks out the games are lower stakes... which means less rake.
In essence, we are not the place to cater to the freebie crowd. Sorry it is a company decesion... if a guy is generating rake, or giving us good sports action we have no problem with him winning tournaments.
But if all the player wants to do is make one deposit and play a bunch of free-rolls and look for every promo possible... sorry we are not the poker room for you.
Try FTP or Stars as they have a business model that supports it.

DeluxeLiner · 10-04-10, 05:24 PM

Yea I am probably never going to deposit at this book because of the shadiness involved with the management here after reading this story (which has been verified now by this CS fellow who we assume works for Youwager).

Keeping this sharks out stuff is stupid, good luck with that weird policy. At what point does a player qualify as a shark, that policy is also not stated anywhere. This comes across as very frugal and it seems the best books that get a lot of deposits and the most action (something you seem to crave so much) have to give a little back to the players to generate a good buzz.

Don't have poker if you are going to be all weird about it or create some sort of requirements for all players who want to enter your freeroll tournaments. This fuzzy stuff about managment not feeling like enough rake was created scares people away.

trixtrix · 10-04-10, 05:27 PM

the tourneys are usually freerolls, the guy max is saying you got to give us action instead of playing just playing freerolls

legendmatt34 · 10-07-10, 11:51 AM

Funny thing is none of the tournys were "freerolls" They dont even have freerolls. Shows how much C.S. knows. They all had entry fees and rebuys and add ons.. Maybe u should know what your' talking about before u open your mouth???

nosniboR11 · 10-07-10, 07:54 PM

youwager is a joke place, do not play there and everytime they cold call you, cuss them out

nosniboR11 · 10-07-10, 08:05 PM

this is no joke they actually do not want you to win at poker, they say its for recreation only, what a joke, sbr move there status down, they suck ass

trixtrix · 10-07-10, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by legendmatt34

Funny thing is none of the tournys were "freerolls" They dont even have freerolls. Shows how much C.S. knows. They all had entry fees and rebuys and add ons.. Maybe u should know what your' talking about before u open your mouth???

wtf, every time i log into my youwager acct, there's a reminder for the weekly freerolls, maybe you did not play in a freeroll tourney, but that does NOT mean they do not have freeroll tourneys

ps: i don't even play in those b/c tbh it's waste of my time, as my time >> 500$ freeroll tourneys, but that does not mean i don't receive the reminder notes about them

OMGRandyJackson · 10-07-10, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Jrod124

you wager is terrible. I wld never deposit. Calling me non ******* stop

******* TRUTH. I would get calls all the time by some douche bag sounding guy... "HEY (NAME) WHY HAVE YOU NOT DEPOSITED YET? HMM?"

I only had an account there because I got a $10 freeplay or something like that maybe $15 from SBR for like 6 points or something. I usually just say I play elsewhere or hang up. Finally though he calls one day and was like "WHEN ARE YOU DEPOSITING" and I reply "not today" and he just flips out over the top "HMM SO WHAT U JUST USE US FOR THAT FREEPLAY SBR GAVE YOU? HMM? IS THAT HOW YOU PLAY JUST GO FROM BOOK TO BOOK SCAMMING FREEPLAYS?"

Closed my account after that and have yet to recieve a call. ******* retards over there.

trixtrix · 10-07-10, 10:35 PM

youwager seems to be suffering from a too small/too big syndrome that plagues most rec books, they seem to want players who bet 200-1k a game, anyone bigger they fear their sharpness, anyone smaller they think they're being nickled and dimed to death..though lately they seemed to have gotten better at handiling the action than prior

BeerDog99 · 10-08-10, 12:13 PM

This is surprising, I was always unsure of the sportsbooks and the poker playing but now I see this and at least I know my money/status at the big online rooms is safe and clear. Without chance of arbitrary/hidden rules.

necro · 10-08-10, 12:33 PM

yup, they are mugs

TheAccountant · 10-09-10, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by C.S.

The majority of my posting here has nothing to do with where I work, however in this case the one-side story is making me go against my better judgment and reply.
Below is the complete story.
legendmatt34 was told on numerous occasions that if he wanted to continue playing in our tournaments he would need to do one of two things.

1. Play more in the cash games.
2. Give more sports action. (with his own money... not money won from tournaments)

After many times of requesting this from the player... and him ignoring the requests, management decided to cut him off from tournaments.

Now I know most of you will say... UNFAIR, BS BOOK, etc.
Try to view it from the books point of view.
We are a sportsbook first, and offer poker as an accommodation to our sports players. We have a VERY small poker room. It is not on a network, all players are from our brands. We keep the sharks out. This means all the advantages that being on a big network gives you we don't receive.

All tournament payouts come out of our pocket, by keeping the sharks out the games are lower stakes... which means less rake.
In essence, we are not the place to cater to the freebie crowd. Sorry it is a company decesion... if a guy is generating rake, or giving us good sports action we have no problem with him winning tournaments.
But if all the player wants to do is make one deposit and play a bunch of free-rolls and look for every promo possible... sorry we are not the poker room for you.
Try FTP or Stars as they have a business model that supports it.

Some valid points here - although the stipulation "play more" is not a very quantifiable rule.

necro · 10-10-10, 07:03 AM

maybe not completly mugs