Tutorial on how to get rivered for 2200 pot

Slainte · 03-19-10, 05:36 AM

deposited 600 ran it to 1300 in about 2 hours and was playing $5/$10 NL ...

Many degen stories start like this

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-19-10, 05:48 AM

I play 5/8 NL live very regularly at local casinos. This was only the 3rd time ive ever staked up at a online site. I asked for a opinion on the hand.

poker_dummy101 · 03-20-10, 09:07 PM

I wouldn't play 2s like this but:

when he calls the reraise on the flop, you have to bet more on the turn.

on the river if you put him on a busted flush draw:

a: he will fold to any bet you make
b: if you check, he either bluffs or checks back

Only way to get value on the busted flush is for him to bluff, not for you to value shove

if he has AK:
would he really call the reraise on the flop? maybe I guess if hes fishy.. but if hes doing that and you check the river I think there is a good possibility he value bets the river in which case you can shove it in over top. I doubt he'd call the 3bet to hit his miracle card only to check the river.

given his range as you say, I like the check push on the river.

B1GER1C828 · 03-20-10, 10:09 PM

Ya id say ur turn bet was just brutal. i woulda been ~350, maybe a little more.

Flop lead, u get raised, u reraise and he just calls. I sort of figure for overpair, aa-1010. So the turn would cause a little hesitation, but if u do bet 350-400 he'll probably fold as he's getting no value at all and basically for him to call at that point, he'd probably have to push u all in if hes got an overpair. So basically u gave him the chance 2 draw out and if he missed, he could get away.

JohnnyDr@ma · 03-21-10, 01:13 AM

hes prolly getting it in on the turn no matter what op bets im guessing

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-21-10, 02:38 AM

Thanks guys, you live and learn. Recouped most of the losses back playing 1/2.

Yea as i stated i should have bet 350-400 but that wud of put the pot at 932 hes still getting a little over 2-1 to call on a assumed 17 outer(15 in reality) and he had about 3000 before the hand started and he was palying pretty loose. Not sure if that would push him off either but i do agree it would of been the right bet amount.

so on the turn he might call neways. But i also agree that i overplayed it on the river. Wasn't looking for a value call there at all and was just expecting him to lay down with that wager since i had like on AK suited as stated above missing his flush. If i check there hes putting me all in anyways or at least betting 400, and im not putting him on 9-10 so. In all likelyhood in ends the same but i definately will play it different if i run into a similiar circumstance in the future.

Thanks for the input.

Phightin' Phils · 03-21-10, 05:41 AM

obv dont know the dude youre playing against but i honestly think i would have played that hand the same exact way except maybe bet between 325-400 on the turn, but to be honest i think the dude would be calling that bet too... so imo theres really nothing you can do, seems like the dude just wasnt folding... sorry man

Shreadhead · 03-21-10, 11:12 AM

pretty much the dude just didnt want to fold his nut straight draw, and i dont blame him....i wouldent have called, but if you are gonna raise 4X the BB with 9 10 and then hit the nut straight draw on a rainbow board.......you could have pushed all in and he might have called, lol, maybe

all im saying is i think you did nothing wrong....you were up aginst a loose player....and he sucked out....it happens to all of us

sinmiedo · 03-21-10, 12:05 PM

I totally agree there, it was a sucked out all right. I would play that hand exactly as you did, no difference, but at the turn maybe pushed all in, just to see if he would have call ( imo he would have) to protect my hand,
Many time I fold 22 because any other set would easily get me.
I m glad you got your money back,
Best of luck
sinmiedo

poker_dummy101 · 03-21-10, 12:52 PM

do not agree with how narrow everyone is putting his range on a flush draw. hes isolating you from the cutoff, so he has a wide range to begin with.. on the flop after he calls the reraise i give his range:

56s, 78s, 89s, 910s, j10s, a8s/o, 77+, maybe ak or other 2 overs if he is loose.

*note- these suited cards are not only diamonds but any other one. you can't just put him on a diamond draw calling a reraise flop with only 1 on board and 2 in his hand (meaning he needed runner runner for flush)

As i said before, really like the check/shove or check call on river

poker_dummy101 · 03-21-10, 12:54 PM

and i think villain played his hand pretty well.

justaguy · 03-21-10, 02:47 PM

For one thing live poker is much easier than online poker. You are a lot more likely to have a fish walk through a casino and sit down than you are to have one stumble upon an online poker site and begin to play. Furthermore, good players online usually play more then just one table. This makes the shark to fish ratio much lower live then online. I don't want to discourage anyone from depositing online. I just think it's pretty funny when guys who play 1-2 or 2-5 live think they can beat the same stakes online.

I think you played this hand pretty bad. Your bet sizing is ridiculously terrible. The limp pre is okay at some tables I guess but I have no clue what your doing on the flop. The lead in this spot is pretty bad and the fact that you only bet $25 into a $90 pot is just awesome. He raises you to $90 and you make another tiny reraise to $220. You might as well just type in the chat that you have a set. He's getting 4-1 on a call with an open ended straight draw and has very good implied odds. You turn bet is too small (again). The river plays itself in this spot and you should be wagering all of your chips a lot. It sucks you lost but you could have done a much better job of sizing your bets on all streets.

Kaladarus · 03-21-10, 10:51 PM

I think there's a good chance you lose this hand almost any way you play it out. It was played alright. Bigger bets would have probably still kept you're opponent around and on the turn he's got the flush draw also so with more money in the pot it's unlikely he would go away anyways. You could put him on a wide range of hands, but with your preflop limp he can also put you on a wide range and for him it could look like he's got more than just a straight draw and a backdoor flush to win the hand with. Also what type of hands would you be trying to scare off there? Only ones really are straight draws, since just about everything else is dominated. That king on the turn could have potentially made you a lot of money with his range of hands. It's kind of hard to just want to take down the pot with a set on such a weak board.

mrmarket · 03-21-10, 11:18 PM

Pokerdummy pretty much summed up the strategy. You probably shouldn't be playing 5/10 if losing the pot affects you.

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-21-10, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by mrmarket

Pokerdummy pretty much summed up the strategy. You probably shouldn't be playing 5/10 if losing the pot affects you.

I wudnt say it affected me more than im asking for advice to get better. In no point in this thread did i say....MAN I GOT FVCKED, that guys a donk. I asked for advice on how to play the hand better. I got advice and for now on i'll play it differently.

Thanks for the tip tho.

excel · 03-28-10, 12:25 AM

Just remember overall you will win those.