t.j. Cloutier broke

**TheLock** · 02-01-10, 07:39 PM

Sad story but TJ is not writing the book on gamblers going broke.

Happens all the time out in Nevada.

Sounds like his biggest leak in his poker game is his love of craps.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-01-10, 07:54 PM

TJ once won a major tournament got paid out in chips and went straight to the craps table.

Degenerate gambler.

It is a shame because he is a talented poker player.

Ironically he plays poker like a nit.

**Czu81** · 02-02-10, 04:34 AM

He is a world class player and gambler... Cake poker bought his bracelelet and they give it back to TJ.

**Lint Pockets** · 02-02-10, 04:55 AM

makes you wonder how many other poker players who we all think are rich and famous really aren't. he seems like he is a nice guy he just let gambling get the best of him.

**mrmarket** · 02-02-10, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Czu81

He is a world class player and gambler... Cake poker bought his bracelelet and they give it back to TJ.

Well if he has a gambling problem they'll most likely have to do it again.

It's well known that Cloutier's major leak is craps and it is speculated that he pretty much got rid of all his winnings that way. If they were smart they might have also given him Stanford Wong's book on precision throwing as it seems more practical for his situation.

**sq764** · 02-02-10, 08:55 AM

I think what some people dont realize is most of these guys have just as much enjoyment when they lose as when they win.. That sounds ridiculous but I know a few obsessed gamblers and they will tell you they just want to win enough to keep the bankroll available so they can keep betting..

**chadodaddio** · 02-02-10, 09:56 AM

Wow happens all the time

**JMUplayer** · 02-02-10, 12:09 PM

For those people who have made millions...think about how many people lost thousands.
Also the Casinos don't build billion dollar casino's on giving away money.

**neville sinclair** · 02-02-10, 02:39 PM

world class degen

**oiler** · 02-02-10, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Scratch

how does a guy who won over 9million in tournaments end up pawning off his bracelet? he must have a bad problem.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...celet-off-ebay

first it was gus hansen know cloutier whos next phil ivey?

**GiveMeaBJ** · 02-02-10, 02:55 PM

Ivey can't go broke. He makes too much off of Full Tilt.

**GiveMeaBJ** · 02-02-10, 02:55 PM

Oh and Matusow for those who don't know is 75% of the time dead broke.

**sq764** · 02-02-10, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ

Ivey can't go broke. He makes too much off of Full Tilt.

Ivey just got divorced, if he didnt have a prenup he can go broke fast

**GiveMeaBJ** · 02-02-10, 03:30 PM

Nope, he still makes too much of of Full Tilt. He will have everything he lost back in 4 months.

**whatsgood5** · 02-02-10, 07:52 PM

That's too bad. He's always been one of my favorite poker players

**whatsgood5** · 02-02-10, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Czu81

He is a world class player and gambler... Cake poker bought his bracelelet and they give it back to TJ.

Glad to see this happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if he loses it again

**shock11** · 02-02-10, 08:11 PM

lol!

**icancount2one** · 02-04-10, 12:33 AM

Most "great" players who aren't sponsored by a major site aren't sponsored for a very good reason, either due to problems like this or unsavory rumors (which imo, probably aren't even true) in the case of Amarillo Slim.

**will2survive** · 02-04-10, 10:05 PM

are you serious?

**poker_dummy101** · 02-05-10, 01:13 AM

the guy is fukkin clueless like 90% of the "great" "live" players.

**harlee71** · 02-05-10, 01:17 PM

I've seen this guy play craps......Wins a ton, loses more! unreal!

**eidolon** · 02-05-10, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by icancount2one

Most "great" players who aren't sponsored by a major site aren't sponsored for a very good reason, either due to problems like this or unsavory rumors (which imo, probably aren't even true) in the case of Amarillo Slim.

you think the story about Amarillo isn't real? please explain

**DoubleEM** · 02-08-10, 06:50 PM

It's not what you make. It's what you spend.

**JohnnyDr@ma** · 02-11-10, 12:02 PM

Its a sad story TJ, pits own his life, wonder around the poker room looking the stake which he had failed to pay back

**soaked in sweat** · 02-11-10, 03:46 PM

anyone know how much he pawned it for? i'm thinking probly less than 1k

**andrew5** · 02-11-10, 04:14 PM

well thats too bad

**siabdo23** · 02-12-10, 10:52 AM

he has no one to blame but himself considering he is an excellent player

**sq764** · 02-12-10, 11:17 AM

i hear he pawned it for 4k... really sad

**BarkingToad** · 03-02-10, 06:15 AM

Sad story, his early tournament book was probably the 1st advanced poker book. I don't understand why he just doesn't play more tourneys if he has to gamble on something. I'm assuming he's losing on things besides poker, someone with nearly 10 million in tournament winnings.

**mrmarket** · 03-02-10, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by BarkingToad

Sad story, his early tournament book was probably the 1st advanced poker book. I don't understand why he just doesn't play more tourneys if he has to gamble on something. I'm assuming he's losing on things besides poker, someone with nearly 10 million in tournament winnings.

He is a notorious craps player. Even if he played in more poker tournaments these days there is a good chance he wouldn't win one since poker has moved on and he play style is probably stuck back in 1980 like Hellmuth.

**BarkingToad** · 03-03-10, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by mrmarket

He is a notorious craps player. Even if he played in more poker tournaments these days there is a good chance he wouldn't win one since poker has moved on and he play style is probably stuck back in 1980 like Hellmuth.

Yeah, you're probably right. Even so, his style of play would probably still be profitable overall plus he'd be away from the craps table. The bracelet he won in '05, I heard he practiced by playing $11 online tourneys before the World Series.

I still love his motto from his book I try to live by, bettor be, raiser be, caller never be. Didn't somewhere in his book he mentioned something about craps and that he did better when he brought small amount of money? I guess he deviated from that.