Should I give Autodonk back his points for this POKER HAND?

[dlowilly]

Autodonk whether serious or not has requested his points back. It was obviously an accidental raise so do you guys think I should give it back? I have received generosity from others on here and given to others in return. I was no guarantee to win and what would have happened if I lost? This type of misclick stuff has happened to me and I'm sure the rest of you before also. Not really sure what to do. Maybe if he would have said in chat what happened and folded to the rest of the bet pre flop it would be clearer.

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 7245970
$3/$6 NL Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 22:36:03 25/06/2018 ET
Table 'Burn Ban', 10 seats max, Real money
Seat 4 is the button. Small Blind $3, Big Blind $6
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : GaryDN_CONF, amount $150.90, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : cabo, amount $422.05, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : Crusherrr, amount $402.15, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : Fieldysnuts44, amount $582, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : unlearn, amount $602, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : AutoDonk_CONF, amount $150, amount bet $0, penalty (Big Blind)
Seat 9 (playing) : dlowilly, amount $768.30, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Fieldysnuts44: Small Blind ($3)
unlearn: Big Blind ($6)
AutoDonk_CONF: Big Blind ($6)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to dlowilly: [Ah, Ac]
AutoDonk_CONF: Check ($0)
dlowilly: Raise [btn] ($24)
GaryDN_CONF: Fold
cabo: Fold
Crusherrr: Raise ($68)
Fieldysnuts44: Fold
unlearn: Fold
AutoDonk_CONF: Raise ($112)
dlowilly: Raise [btn] ($156)
Crusherrr: Raise ($402.15)
AutoDonk_CONF: Call ($38)
dlowilly: Call [btn] ($246.15)
Crusherrr: Show Cards ($0)
AutoDonk_CONF: Show Cards ($0)
dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [2c, 8s, 6h]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Ad]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [8h]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
AutoDonk_CONF: Show Cards ($0)
dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
Crusherrr: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $456, Rake $3
Side pot #1 $504.30, Rake $0
Summary Crusherrr: bet $470.15, won $0, net $-470.15
Summary AutoDonk_CONF: bet $156, won $0, net $-156, HoleCards [3d, Ks]
Summary dlowilly: bet $426.15, won $960.30, net $534.15, HoleCards [Ah, Ac], HiHand [a full house, aces full of eights] [Ah, Ad, Ac, 8s, 8h], won $456 from main pot, won $504.30 from side pot #1

[Crusherrr]

I think Crusherrr should get his points back too.

Edit: Kidding obv. NH

[dlowilly]

I think Crusherrr should get his points back too.

No way bro, didn't you have QQ or something?

[Auto Donk]

i might add that it wasn't the typical "oh shit I hit the wrong button" raise; I was adding in my rollover and due to the position on the table the "add chips" button apparently was right over the f'n raise button of all things, and clicked "through" or both the add chips button and the raise button.....

i've misclicked hundreds of times and that's on me, but this shit was when I was addin my rollover on the first hand of the session for me, I'd added 150 and was adding the other 150 when the error occurred.....

sent a polite message to dlo at the time asking for a rebate of it since obviously the software fukked me and some how made the raise even tho I was adding chips from the rollover acct page..... (and clearly not threebetting preflop with k3 off)

don't give two shits about the points, just seeing how dlo would react, and whether mr. money stacks would politely refund the obvious mistake (akin to spilling your stack of chips when you set them down at a table for a live session into a live hand -- not a raise), or not....

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Donker solid poker community contributor and also bought shirts for all at last bash....deserves a pass

[Auto Donk]

ps, i did say in chat somehting about what the fuk happened, then said, somehting along the lines of well that sucks, guess i'm fukked over and pot committed.....


don't recall what the finishing off remainder was, but only wanted the initial sbr software error raise I didn' t make rebated..... shoulda been clear on that


looking at the hand history, it doulbled me up and tossed in $112..... that was what I was talking about....

[franklee168]

If SBR gives back my 45k worth of losses in the casino, feel free to give back AD his poker chips too. Fukk it, give it back no matter what since you said others have extended the courtesy to you as well for this type of situation.

[dlowilly]

If SBR gives back my 45k worth of losses in the casino, feel free to give back AD his poker chips too. Fukk it, give it back no matter what since you said others have extended the courtesy to you as well for this type of situation.

No, I didn't say this type of situation. I have never been refunded my points because of a misclick type issue that i remember.

[Auto Donk]

ps.... glad we can see the names of the voters..... waves/mikejamm's votes should be excluded... lol


If JJ votes, and votes no, I'm going to hold him down at the bash while my sticks a chardonnay bottle up his ass


and again, this wasn't a "misclick", i clicked the add money button on the cashier buyin page "OK" and it happened to be right over my goddam game client and somehow the click activated both the add on and the raise button beneath it.....

i've made accidental calls / raises, etc., often since 2007 playing online poker, and have lived with em... and would never ask for a rebate on that shit.... this was me buying into the table, planning on folding my first hand, that k3 shit, as I added the full 300 of my rollover.....

it wasn't a misclick,, but again, like spilling my chips on the table, and I pointed that at at the ttime, politely, I might add....

[dlowilly]

ps.... glad we can see the names of the voters..... waves/mikejamm's votes should be excluded... lol
If JJ votes, and votes no, I'm going to hold him down at the bash while my sticks a chardonnay bottle up his ass


and again, this wasn't a "misclick", i clicked the add money button on the cashier buyin page "OK" and it happened to be right over my goddam game client and somehow the click activated both the add on and the raise button beneath it.....

i've made accidental calls / raises, etc., often since 2007 playing online poker, and have lived with em... and would never ask for a rebate on that shit.... this was me buying into the table, planning on folding my first hand, that k3 shit, as I added the full 300 of my rollover.....

it wasn't a misclick,, but again, like spilling my chips on the table, and I pointed that at at the ttime, politely, I might add....

No one is getting excluded. I have plenty of enemies as well I'm sure.

Once again, I am not disputing whether you meant to or not, I know you didn't. I have been on the wrong end of misclicks and software glitches plenty, and what would have happened if you flopped the SBR patented underdog 2 pair? Would you have said, "Aw shucks, that was an accident here are you guys' points back"?

[mpaschal34]

I say yes....as long as Donk promises not to surrender them to Fruity Fortune.

Hasn’t he already lost 50k on slots in the casino?

Not that I should talk, since I’m down probably 20k in blackjack.

[Auto Donk]

edited for now


re-edited at 9:16 pm 6-28-18....


this WAS the post where, in response to mpas's post above, I said, something along the lines of I obviously don't care about or want the chips sbr dumped on dlo, and should he do the right thing and rebate I was going to give them to angleman's, with myself making up the several hundred point difference......

here's the email (bottom of chain) where the "high roller dLOW" stated he'd never pay the five bucks unless I edited this post......

GOT ALL THAT MONEY (ALLEGEDLY), yet concerned about five bucks worth of betpoints......

J PEAVY, as usual, read the situation better than everyone else.....

[dlowilly]

edited for now

LOL wtf u play dirtier than Johnny Cochran and he's in the dirt

[Auto Donk]

LOL wtf u play dirtier than Johnny Cochran and he's in the dirt

i edited that post per your request..... no biggie..... just trying to do what's right

now your post makes it look like I didn't something f'd up.... you need to edit that one... lol

[pimike]

Not sure what to think here Donker.

[dlowilly]

i edited that post per your request..... no biggie..... just trying to do what's right

now your post makes it look like I didn't something f'd up.... you need to edit that one... lol

Yeah but you edited so redeemed yourself for a 0 net effect on the voting

[dlowilly]

Also, the first posted PM from Donker to you about this issue receives a 25 point bounty from me and disqualifies Donker from getting the points

No jury tampering!

[ArunSh]

I would probably refund about half of what he lost. As you said if SBR had reared its ugly head and bad beated you, you'd have accepted it and moved on, annoying as it might have been. That said, he clearly donated a lot of EV to you by unintentionally putting all his chips in with K3 vs your AA.

So he lost out by unintentionally donating you a lot of EV with his misclick but if you were to refund him entirely you would clearly lose a ton of EV in the alternate scenario that he had happened to suck out on you. So fairest thing to me would be to refund him part way.

[blankoblanco]

If he won he wouldn't give you a dime back, obviously

Refunding half is not the "fair" solution. If I was AD in this situation, yeah, I'd be pissed, but I can't imagine the entitlement it takes to actually ask for points back. C'mon man. No matter the reason, shit happens, it was a freak situation involving terrible timing and a software screw-up and that sucks, but that kind of thing happens all the time in life. You just accept it and move on

Like, if dlo wants to be a nice guy then refund some, sure, but to act like he's obligated to is silly imo

[dlowilly]

If he won he wouldn't give you a dime back, obviously

Refunding half is not the "fair" solution. If I was AD in this situation, yeah, I'd be pissed, but I can't imagine the entitlement it takes to actually ask for points back. C'mon man. No matter the reason, shit happens, it was a freak situation involving terrible timing and a software screw-up and that sucks, but that kind of thing happens all the time in life. You just accept it and move on

Like, if dlo wants to be a nice guy then refund some, sure, but to act like he's obligated to is silly imo

Makes sense

[dlowilly]

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[ArunSh]

If he won he wouldn't give you a dime back, obviously

Refunding half is not the "fair" solution. If I was AD in this situation, yeah, I'd be pissed, but I can't imagine the entitlement it takes to actually ask for points back. C'mon man. No matter the reason, shit happens, it was a freak situation involving terrible timing and a software screw-up and that sucks, but that kind of thing happens all the time in life. You just accept it and move on

Like, if dlo wants to be a nice guy then refund some, sure, but to act like he's obligated to is silly imo

Makes sense

Not sure if you were referring to my post in entirety, but I certainly didn't mean to imply that dlowilly was in any way obligated to do so. If he or anyone wanted to take the position that things like this are a risk of internet poker, sometimes it goes for you sometimes against - totally reasonable imo, and I think many would take that stance also.

Not that this ever happened that I can recall but back when playing on pokerstars or partypoker had this happened to me (for or against), I would have lived with it, good or bad as just mentioned. That said, SBR is a small knit community, I probably in this situation would throw him a bone just for karma's sake. Again, no obligation at all to do so, but that's probably what I would do by giving him a partial refund at least.

[dlowilly]

Not sure if you were referring to my post in entirety, but I certainly didn't mean to imply that dlowilly was in any way obligated to do so. If he or anyone wanted to take the position that things like this are a risk of internet poker, sometimes it goes for you sometimes against - totally reasonable imo, and I think many would take that stance also.

Not that this ever happened that I can recall but back when playing on pokerstars or partypoker had this happened to me (for or against), I would have lived with it, good or bad as just mentioned. That said, SBR is a small knit community, I probably in this situation would throw him a bone just for karma's sake. Again, no obligation at all to do so, but that's probably what I would do by giving him a partial refund at least.

I totally understand what you're saying but I already made the poll and can't change the options

Between the 2 options vote for what u think Is the better choice I respect ur opinion

[ArunSh]

I totally understand what you're saying but I already made the poll and can't change the options

Between the 2 options vote for what u think Is the better choice I respect ur opinion

Given the choice between refunding entirely or not at all, I would not refund at all. Why? Because it's simply unfair to "me" as I basically then forfeited all the EV from the chance of losing the hand. And I would not do anything which is unfair to me as I did nothing wrong in this situation so it's not fair for me to be punished in any manner. While I do feel for Donk, no one but himself misclicked. A pitcher could accidentally balk in the winning run in Game 7 of the World Series - oops but too bad for them.

[bobbywaves]

Not sure how you're even contemplating giving this well documented stiff his pts back. I probably played more SBR poker than anyone & haven't misclicked once, as I pay attention. If you're careless & misclick oh well, be more careful in the future.

In addition to being a stiff, Donkey is a constant broke dikk blowing his pts on fruity fortune slots like the fruitcake he is. This is an obvious angle shoot by Donkey. he reraised ignorantly trying to get you off the hand. Then when you reraised again, he was obviously pot committed & had to throw in his last measly $38. The jackass got caught & can't take his loss like a man, instead he cries like a little bitch for his pts back.

[pimike]

Give them back or don’t.

It’s your choice. Move on to some money making topics.

[dlowilly]

Give them back or don’t.

It’s your choice. Move on to some money making topics.

Come on man just wondering what the poker community thinks because I'm not sure

[pimike]

Come on man just wondering what the poker community thinks because I'm not sure

Bro, do what YOU feel is right.

Games all day...

[bobbywaves]

Come on man just wondering what the poker community thinks because I'm not sure

Cut the poll off 12am tonight & roll with the results.

No worries, I'll get my posse together & the no votes will come flooding in.

No one is getting excluded from voting, even Donkey?

[dlowilly]

Cut the poll off 12am tonight & roll with the results.

No worries, I'll get my posse together & the no votes will come flooding in.

No one is getting excluded from voting, even Donkey?

Donk and I are excluded

I will look at the results when it looks like everyone who is going to vote has voted which is usually around 30-40 posters over 2-4 days

[dlowilly]

Bro, do what YOU feel is right.

Games all day...

I'm not sure what is right, that's why I made the poll

[pimike]

I'm not sure what is right, that's why I made the poll

I think deep inside, you feel like he deserves something back to be the BETTER person. So whatever that is do it.

Does he deserve all? I like Donk but the clear answer is no.

[franklee168]

No, I didn't say this type of situation. I have never been refunded my points because of a misclick type issue that i remember.

" I have received generosity from others on here and given to others in return"

My bad, I misread.

[SharpAngles]

If Donker wanted the points back I’d demand nudes of Mrs Donk, full frontal minimum, preferably xxx video to settle the score.

[dlowilly]

If Donker wanted the points back I’d demand nudes of Mrs Donk, full frontal minimum, preferably xxx video to settle the score.

LOL I did think of that