U.S. Deals Blow to Online-Poker Players

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  • jon13009
    SBR MVP
    • 09-22-07
    • 1258

    #1
    U.S. Deals Blow to Online-Poker Players
    Scary poker and online gambling news. Looks like a liberal administration is still following in the Bush policy against on-line gambling. Who is really driving this?

    source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124459561862800591.html
    By TAMARA AUDI

    "In an apparent crackdown on Internet gambling, federal authorities in New York have frozen or seized bank accounts worth $34 million belonging to 27,000 online poker players, according to representatives for the players and account holders.

    In an operation that began last week, the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York froze or issued seizure orders for bank accounts in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Arizona held at Wells Fargo, Citibank, Goldwater Bank and Alliance Bank of Arizona.

    A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office had no comment.

    The accounts are managed by Allied Systems Inc., and Account Services, which handle cash for popular online poker sites, including Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker. Though the money belongs to the poker players, it is held for them in accounts managed by the two service companies.

    Account Services, which had an account worth $15 million frozen in its San Francisco bank, doesn't accept deposits, but writes checks to players who are cashing out, said lawyer for the company, Jeff Ifrah. As a result, thousands of players receiving checks from the company won't be able to cash them, he said.

    The seizures come as a debate over Internet gambling heats up in Washington. Last month, U.S. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D., Mass.) introduced a bill that would legalize and regulate Internet gambling.

    Federal authorities say online gambling is illegal, but Internet-gambling advocates say it is a gray legal area. In 2006, Congress passed a law making it illegal for banks to processing payments for unlawful Internet gambling. Critics say the law is unclear.

    Poker players don't consider poker a game of chance, but a game of skill, and argue that poker shouldn't be lumped in with sports betting, for example.

    The government has prosecuted Internet gambling in the past, including sites that allow users to bet on sports and play poker. The massive seizure by the U.S. attorney is the first time federal authorities have targeted online poker accounts, according the Poker Players Alliance, a Washington-based lobbying group for online poker players.

    The Alliance said there are 10 million Americans who play online poker for money, and estimated the market at $6 billion.

    The Alliance "is disappointed that this unprecedented action has been commenced against law abiding poker players," said former U.S. Senator and Alliance Chairman Alfonse D'Amato in a written statement."
  • pattie2
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-25-09
    • 38

    #2
    not a good sign for us poker players

    sad to hear nothing has changed the Bush policy

    thought maybe the new administration would take a look into the problem

    doesn't look too good
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    • cmerunoveru
      SBR Hustler
      • 06-09-09
      • 74

      #3
      This is horrible news and a blow to all of us that play poker and bet on sports, what is to come of this hopefully i wont have to go to a bookie in my hometown.
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      • 1e1
        SBR Hustler
        • 03-22-09
        • 52

        #4
        This just give poker player more discouragement in signing up
        with poke site so will would have more good player rather then donkeys ...so i
        hope this issue is resolve situation soon cause it going to be a poker disaster.
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        • andywend
          SBR MVP
          • 05-20-07
          • 4805

          #5
          Looks like they are picking up any loose change they can find.

          Unfortunately, $34 million only covers about 2 minutes of the average Barack Obama spending day.
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          • TheIntegrityKid
            SBR MVP
            • 06-08-09
            • 3063

            #6
            Originally posted by 1e1
            This just give poker player more discouragement in signing up
            with poke site so will would have more good player rather then donkeys ...so i
            hope this issue is resolve situation soon cause it going to be a poker disaster.

            This is an interesting point. Maybe only really good players will still sign up and there would be less suck outs.

            The only drawback is that there wouldn't be as much easy money to be made off of suckers. But whatever...


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            • captmatt
              SBR Rookie
              • 06-11-09
              • 44

              #7
              I read that yesterday on CNN headline news. Sucks for all of us who enjoy poker online.
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              • GonzagaPlayer
                SBR Hustler
                • 03-27-09
                • 58

                #8
                its dumb poker is for newbies or veterans it shouldn't matter. its your money you should be able to gamble with it or whatever u want. Obama sux im sorry im just not impressed so far. ya he just started but i mean make some changes like you said! CHange! not seeing it. he's not even black. grrrr im going to stop. Bush fckd us all.
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                • noibrainer
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 04-01-09
                  • 31

                  #9
                  Sad sad, I am so lucky to be european at this stage.

                  Bush indeed fckd everything. Come all to myplace in belgium and we setup our own room
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                  • nyplayer33
                    Restricted User
                    • 09-27-06
                    • 8303

                    #10
                    sadly it seems the sites didnt do there homework. First you have full tilt issuing payout via western union some 9 months ago and that lasted a couple of weeks until that blew up and made attention of this. I beleive the money is history as the check processor issued checks that duped if you will usa banks so they did not know what the money was for. The checks look like a reg check and circumvent the uigea..just my take on it all
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                    • TheLock
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-06-08
                      • 14427

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheIntegrityKid
                      This is an interesting point. Maybe only really good players will still sign up and there would be less suck outs.

                      The only drawback is that there wouldn't be as much easy money to be made off of suckers. But whatever...

                      Are you implying that this would be good because less bad players = less suckout?

                      Suckouts are a part of poker. Sometimes when you're 85% going to the river, bad things happen but to say that less bad players equals less suckouts is looking at it completely wrong.
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                      • BarkingToad
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-31-08
                        • 5913

                        #12
                        So the government is saying online poker is bad, but B & M casinos isn't?
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                        • fishaholictaz
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 06-11-09
                          • 183

                          #13
                          This is so bogus.. They should have better things to do
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                          • PokerQ
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 03-31-09
                            • 83

                            #14
                            I am sure this will work out for the best. Its still early so, give it a year or two and I bet online gambling will be legalized and regulated. It will be the best of both worlds.
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                            • realplaya75
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 06-25-09
                              • 31

                              #15
                              hopefully all of this will work out, i dont see why the government feels the need to stop online poker since people should be allowed to use their money how they want to as long as they are paying taxes on the money they make.
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                              • KingRevolver
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-05-09
                                • 5293

                                #16
                                Originally posted by realplaya75
                                hopefully all of this will work out, i dont see why the government feels the need to stop online poker since people should be allowed to use their money how they want to as long as they are paying taxes on the money they make.
                                Eh - most people wouldn't.
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                                • HeavyHitter77
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 06-25-09
                                  • 35

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jon13009
                                  Scary poker and online gambling news. Looks like a liberal administration is still following in the Bush policy against on-line gambling. Who is really driving this?

                                  source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124459561862800591.html
                                  By TAMARA AUDI

                                  "In an apparent crackdown on Internet gambling, federal authorities in New York have frozen or seized bank accounts worth $34 million belonging to 27,000 online poker players, according to representatives for the players and account holders.

                                  In an operation that began last week, the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York froze or issued seizure orders for bank accounts in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Arizona held at Wells Fargo, Citibank, Goldwater Bank and Alliance Bank of Arizona.

                                  A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office had no comment.

                                  The accounts are managed by Allied Systems Inc., and Account Services, which handle cash for popular online poker sites, including Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker. Though the money belongs to the poker players, it is held for them in accounts managed by the two service companies.

                                  Account Services, which had an account worth $15 million frozen in its San Francisco bank, doesn't accept deposits, but writes checks to players who are cashing out, said lawyer for the company, Jeff Ifrah. As a result, thousands of players receiving checks from the company won't be able to cash them, he said.

                                  The seizures come as a debate over Internet gambling heats up in Washington. Last month, U.S. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D., Mass.) introduced a bill that would legalize and regulate Internet gambling.

                                  Federal authorities say online gambling is illegal, but Internet-gambling advocates say it is a gray legal area. In 2006, Congress passed a law making it illegal for banks to processing payments for unlawful Internet gambling. Critics say the law is unclear.

                                  Poker players don't consider poker a game of chance, but a game of skill, and argue that poker shouldn't be lumped in with sports betting, for example.

                                  The government has prosecuted Internet gambling in the past, including sites that allow users to bet on sports and play poker. The massive seizure by the U.S. attorney is the first time federal authorities have targeted online poker accounts, according the Poker Players Alliance, a Washington-based lobbying group for online poker players.

                                  The Alliance said there are 10 million Americans who play online poker for money, and estimated the market at $6 billion.

                                  The Alliance "is disappointed that this unprecedented action has been commenced against law abiding poker players," said former U.S. Senator and Alliance Chairman Alfonse D'Amato in a written statement."
                                  don't look good
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