Poker Pro Folds QUADS to All-In Bet in Main Event

**Ballerholic** · 07-20-16, 08:05 AM

he wins 1 bracelet and now he thinks he's daniel negreanu smh

**Grivas_Digeni** · 07-20-16, 08:50 AM

good fold

**Ballerholic** · 07-20-16, 10:07 AM

Why do you think it's a good fold?

**Grivas_Digeni** · 07-20-16, 05:56 PM

Unless he's blatantly lying to himself, it was a good fold because he thinks it was.

Opponent's reaction is big here. This is why he mucks his quad face up.

**thetrinity** · 07-23-16, 12:00 PM

it seems like a ridiculous price to fold quads with a player he has little history with, but also seems he was correct

**TheMoneyShot** · 07-23-16, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...-in-main-event

JP... what do you do in that situation?

Sounds like he over thought the hand?

You're sitting with Quads... you have to just call and live with the results I assume?

**Triple_D_Bet** · 08-10-16, 01:51 AM

Hard to argue with his assessment of the situation....but even at those stakes, I'm not sure I'm good enough to lay that down! Goes to show that what most would call a bad beat is an avoidable trap to a better player

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 08-10-16, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

JP... what do you do in that situation?

Sounds like he over thought the hand?

You're sitting with Quads... you have to just call and live with the results I assume?

I don't think I could ever fold Quads on that board. If he rivered the straight flush, so be it.

There are multiple full houses that he would shove on river too..

**TheMoneyShot** · 08-10-16, 09:26 PM

Good point JP

**Triple_D_Bet** · 08-10-16, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

I don't think I could ever fold Quads on that board. If he rivered the straight flush, so be it.

There are multiple full houses that he would shove on river too..

It's a tough choice, and everything looks obvious in hindsight...but as it played out, a full house seems unlikely. KK or JJ almost certainly acts differently preflop, and it's hard to imagine 99 would let that wet flop go unraised. I'll admit it gets kind of circular though; if the villain had QTs his turn call wasn't very good, so maybe slow playing trip 9s on a wet flop is a possibility. Cash games or small tournament, insta call and take the loss if he's got it...but at this level, as tough as it would be for me to do personally, he probably made the right play.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 08-10-16, 10:41 PM

only one hand can beat you and it's not even for your tourney life. i would've called.

this is what happens when you over-anal-yze your hand and respect your opponent a little too much.

that's why i don't like to slow play my nuts on the turn. if the guy's gonna chase for a flush with a pair on the board, you gotta make him pay.

**Triple_D_Bet** · 08-10-16, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

only one hand can beat you and it's not even for your tourney life. i would've called.

this is what happens when you over-anal-yze your hand and respect your opponent a little too much.

that's why i don't like to slow play my nuts on the turn. if the guy's gonna chase for a flush with a pair on the board, you gotta make him pay.

Calling and chalking it up to a bad beat is easy to do...whether or not this situation calls for it, making tough laydowns is critical when you're competing at this level. Whether or not it's for your tourney life, it's a lot of chips, and losing them here might force you into worse spots in the near future.

Guy didn't exactly slow play the turn, sounds like he bet about half the pot. Besides, why would you make a guy chasing a flush pay to do it? There are no hands you want folding on the turn here...

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 08-11-16, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Triple_D_Bet

Calling and chalking it up to a bad beat is easy to do...whether or not this situation calls for it, making tough laydowns is critical when you're competing at this level. Whether or not it's for your tourney life, it's a lot of chips, and losing them here might force you into worse spots in the near future.

Guy didn't exactly slow play the turn, sounds like he bet about half the pot. Besides, why would you make a guy chasing a flush pay to do it? There are no hands you want folding on the turn here...

so you would fold also? honestly, it's player dependent and i really don't think the guy had q 10 of spades. the way the guy was describing the villain, he sounds like and aggro that would steal pots in the river with any two cards. the chances of the villain bluffing is greater than the villain actually hitting the one outer, imo...

**Triple_D_Bet** · 08-11-16, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

so you would fold also? honestly, it's player dependent and i really don't think the guy had q 10 of spades. the way the guy was describing the villain, he sounds like and aggro that would steal pots in the river with any two cards. the chances of the villain bluffing is greater than the villain actually hitting the one outer, imo...

I would have a really tough time finding a fold there I'm sure, but not because it isn't the right move, just because I'm not sure I'm good enough to make it. Villain didn't play very aggressively here at all, and bluffing all-in at a guy who has bet every street, on a board that connects with quite a bit while giving a great price to call requires either master-level poker skills or complete idiocy that happened to get lucky.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 08-11-16, 05:12 PM

lol don't sell yourself short pal. they don't just call these tourney's donkaments for nothing. you have to remember, to win these tourney's you have to run like god. you keep saying this level but you're giving these players too much credit. look at all the past winners of the main event. it's mostly luck. you can play perfect but you won't win if you don't get cards. folding quads in this situation is dumb. you can't change the way you play because it's a higher entry fee. maybe you're playing too high if you make decisions based on money.

**Triple_D_Bet** · 08-11-16, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

lol don't sell yourself short pal. they don't just call these tourney's donkaments for nothing. you have to remember, to win these tourney's you have to run like god. you keep saying this level but you're giving these players too much credit. look at all the past winners of the main event. it's mostly luck. you can play perfect but you won't win if you don't get cards. folding quads in this situation is dumb. you can't change the way you play because it's a higher entry fee. maybe you're playing too high if you make decisions based on money.

Heh, at this level these aren't donkaments, and if you don't play it differently than a cash game or $50 buyin tourney, you're not doing it right....you're not making the decision based on money, you're making based on the fact that the higher buyin leads to higher quality of play. You might need luck to prevail in any one tournament, but good play will get you farther on average.

As I said above, folding is logically sound...but I'm not sure I can make it, even knowing logically it's the right call.

**Stackzilla** · 08-15-16, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

lol don't sell yourself short pal. they don't just call these tourney's donkaments for nothing. you have to remember, to win these tourney's you have to run like god. you keep saying this level but you're giving these players too much credit. look at all the past winners of the main event. it's mostly luck. you can play perfect but you won't win if you don't get cards. folding quads in this situation is dumb. you can't change the way you play because it's a higher entry fee. maybe you're playing too high if you make decisions based on money.

agreed at any buy-in price you'll find pros down to people who just want a good story to tell at their local..no way I'm folding quads, imo he played in wrong on the turn he could've read the board and saw possible outs being QTs if he bets 40k on the turn then the kid has to make the decision to chase or fold imo