Bicycle Casino Mega Millions XI hand

**Auto Donk** · 09-30-14, 05:19 PM

very tough; though back door h's is not what either of these two were counting on when they were betting/calling that flop..... ie, one of em my have lucked into the flush, but were probably on aq (at least one of em was) and big pocket pair or 99. here, if there was only one player ahead of u/in the hand with u, and those running h's came, easy call (for me anyway). two makes it difficult b/c one of the villians may have been holding aq h's, maybe j ten of h's as everyone loves j ten for some insane reason and it would have given him the u/d draw on the flop..... as is, i'm calling as it's only a $160 buyin and I've got broadway with my ak, and if runner runner h's is the downfall, so be it. I'm thinking more of set vs. aq and no flush among them. I call, and either triple up or hit the rail early without too much time invested......

only way i fold is if i know one of the players to be extremely tight.... then i might fold and live to fight another day. ld be lookin at pulse rates and confidence tells given that im playing live, and hope like hell they're not good at giving false tells.... (one of my specialties live). and lastly, if villan two insta called shove, id be worried, but probably still donk em off if I didn't know either of the players very well.

**daneblazer** · 09-30-14, 05:28 PM

Just reading over this fast like, sure looks like a villain QhXh type hand is possible. So are several other hands though like KxQx KJ, 78 two pairs, etc. Only thing I'd do differently, I'd probably 3bet preflop. I like the turn bet, can't fold the flop. You fold & you have about 4k left, win and you're in good shape basically tripling up. 2 played that like a total station which widens his range a bit. I think calling is fine. I think you beat enough combos of other hands from those two villains to just tip your cap if they have you beat.

**Auto Donk** · 09-30-14, 05:35 PM

my guess, giving the way i'm running as of late, is one of em had kq h's......

**Jeffie** · 09-30-14, 06:44 PM

Thats really a gross spot to be in. I would have figured V1 didnt have something like AQ because he wouldnt have checked the turn with all those draws. V2 probably hit 2 pair on river like QJ and thought nobody had the heart flush. maybe V1 made a continuation bet on flop with the same hand as you and hit the straight with you. Its a really tough call but i probably call in this situation and lose to the idiot with runner runner flush.

**Optional** · 10-01-14, 07:13 AM

I think I would have to call. If V1 has the flush that would be just bad luck.

**newguy** · 10-01-14, 09:10 AM

Thanks for sharing - that is great. Its early enough in the tourney that I think I would probably push and hope someone didn't flush out. The chance to triple up and it being still day 1 would be enough for me to roll the dice.

**daneblazer** · 10-01-14, 09:26 AM

Reading over this again, It's actually tougher without any real reads than I thought. Not like 4000 chips leaves you dead in the water. If the guy looks like he just got giddy with delight, it's easier to fold. Not sure what exactly the structure is to move on (like 5% of what, 500, 200, 100) but 4000 to win about 21000, you don't have to be right very often to justify a call.

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 12:23 PM

Should have been clearer. 120-something runners so I believe 12 paid and 6 advance to next week.

Neither player gave anything away that I picked up. Made the crying fold and really cried when V1 rolls over Js10s and V2 mucks what he says is 2pair. Gave these jokers way too much credit but didn't have any reason to think both were FOS and I had around 18BB after the fold. One of those situations where I can only call if I have way less chips or way more I think. Ran QQ into slow played AA not long after and bounced to the rail.

Don't have time today but will def be back for a few more shots at this one. Too juicy to turn down imo. 250k gtd first place and found out yesterday you're allowed to play multiple day 1's and if you make it to day 2 more than once you take the biggest stack and get 2k cash for any others. Wish I would of known this last week because I would've been there every day with my 160 bucks.

**leetreaper** · 10-01-14, 12:48 PM

No offence dude but you shouldn't be playing these buy-ins with your line:
Mistake number 1: 3-bet preflop
as played,
Mistake number 2: fold flop

Cheers.

**Auto Donk** · 10-01-14, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by leetreaper

No offence dude but you shouldn't be playing these buy-ins with your line:
Mistake number 1: 3-bet preflop
as played,
Mistake number 2: fold flop

Cheers.

agree with leetreap on mistake one; not so much on mistake two, as you had flopped the nut flush draw...... I call for 1200 there, too. As you're on two monster draws at turn (albeit gutshot for broadway), with two checks in front of you, and knowing these bozos will probably call or possibly check raise you, u might have checked it as well, taken the free card hoping for the spade or a non-h jack......... still woulda been faced with a helluva decision on the river given the card that came, but at least not having shipped that 3k on the turn, you wouldn't feel as committed and folding would be easier..... too bad u didn' t know the players, or u probably would've known to call........

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 01:06 PM

thanks for the concern

3 bet pre is not my style this early. Equity isn't good enough to inflate the pot when I've still got the blinds plus a raiser and caller behind. Taking flops in position and outplaying after gathers more chips when everyones got even stacks for the most part. Not that I outplayed anyone but myself this hand.

Interesting that you fold flop.

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 01:12 PM

Donk,

I thought about checking turn but I pretty much give away my hand and never get paid when I hit the river. Plus it's not my style to give free cards on the button.

**Jeffie** · 10-01-14, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by SharpAngles

thanks for the concern

3 bet pre is not my style this early. Equity isn't good enough to inflate the pot when I've still got the blinds plus a raiser and caller behind. Taking flops in position and outplaying after gathers more chips when everyones got even stacks for the most part. Not that I outplayed anyone but myself this hand.

Interesting that you fold flop.

This early in tourney you dont ever have to 3b with AK. If you have to only rely on getting it in pre instead of outplaying ppl you will never win a tourney. You played the hand fine pre, i feel like the problem was on flop. You probably should have bumped it up to 4k to get them off there hand worst case scenario you have to get it in with a shet ton of outs.

**leetreaper** · 10-01-14, 01:16 PM

didnt see a flush draw there, then call flop, check turn, call river, cheers. Backdoor flush draw came but it's a small percentage they have it, both with straights.

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 01:21 PM

I think you're right a lot of the time Jeffie but with no reads I could not fade a 3bet in that spot. Rather peel turn and evaluate.

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by leetreaper

didnt see a flush draw there, then call flop, check turn, call river, cheers. Backdoor flush draw came but it's a small percentage they have it, both with straights.

If I'm head up I call river every time but V2's call here doesn't worry you? He didn't do jumping jacks when he called or anything but his soft line had me thinking queen that just backdoored me with the hearts.

**daneblazer** · 10-01-14, 01:33 PM

Problem with not 3-betting preflop is that you're really setting yourself up for a 4 or 5 way pot by calling. If you think that hand was tough, imagine if you flop something like Kx 6h 7h 5 way and the BB donks a bet on the flop. You're deep enough there to 3bet and it's not like AKs isn't a strong enough hand to merit it. Knocking more players out of the hand when you have AKs just makes life easier plus you could pick up dead money or fold them out which is a win.

**SharpAngles** · 10-01-14, 01:43 PM

We have different philosophies Dane. I was hoping the blinds would call, building the pot with their chips instead of mine. I don't play AK suited this way to flop pairs.

**leetreaper** · 10-01-14, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Problem with not 3-betting preflop is that you're really setting yourself up for a 4 or 5 way pot by calling. If you think that hand was tough, imagine if you flop something like Kx 6h 7h 5 way and the BB donks a bet on the flop. You're deep enough there to 3bet and it's not like AKs isn't a strong enough hand to merit it. Knocking more players out of the hand when you have AKs just makes life easier plus you could pick up dead money or fold them out which is a win.

**Optional** · 10-01-14, 02:18 PM

I often play to see the flop cheap and try to get others chips in with AK too.

**tatddy** · 10-01-14, 04:14 PM

I can see calling preflop but I'm almost certainly raising on the flop here. If someone is playing a KQ type hand the odds of you getting shoved on a raise are slim IMO and you give yourself, In position, a chance to check the turn and get a free card if you don't wanna continue that line.

**newguy** · 10-02-14, 06:46 AM

Honestly one of the better threads I have seen on SBR in a while. Great strategy discussions. OP played it exactly how I would have there. Pot continues building and you get to quietly play best hand. Those hearts would have made me nervous too but I like I said before, I would just have to hope that they weren't playing so loosely those hearts helped them. Fun to see how others would have played it though!

Don't feel bad about QQ losing to AA. In SBR poker, both would have lost to 2-7 unsuited.