Tournament hand from today

**smitch124** · 07-17-14, 05:16 PM

If you're on a table with poor players I wouldn't risk it right then and try to beat them over the long run.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-17-14, 05:41 PM

Easiest shove ever. You're an equity favorite over the field no matter what they hold, and clearing out your pair outs can't hurt at all.

**Auto Donk** · 07-17-14, 05:53 PM

shove it... esp with the rebuy in your back pocket..... you went there to gamble, so let it rip! So, tell us, u shoved and flushed, right? took it down? chopped with three left?

**mpaschal34** · 07-17-14, 05:54 PM

being a rebuy of only $20....you gotta shove in my opinion. great chance to build your stack. if you lose, then you pay $20 and try again.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-17-14, 06:14 PM

The price of the tournament or the fact that it allows rebuys doesn't affect the strategy here.

**SharpAngles** · 07-17-14, 06:15 PM

Hero shoves 4000

fold, fold, fold

SB goes in the tank maybe a minute and calls with his set 5c5h and BB beats him in the pot with 9h2h (lol)

One of the folds tells me he had a heart too so not feeling very confident.

brick brick and I'm in for another $20. Ran KK into AA a couple levels later and went out 18th.

Discussed the hand with a friend and he says the blinds were too low and I spewed chips. Said I should have folded waiting for a better spot but I'm happy with my play. I ran into the top of his range drawing to half the outs I thought I had so it didn't work out this time but I think the benefit of dragging that huge pot so early makes it a push every time.

**SharpAngles** · 07-17-14, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

The price of the tournament or the fact that it allows rebuys doesn't affect the strategy here.

I don't agree with this. You're correct the buy in doesn't mean much although one this low usually means a fish pond. The rebuy has a lot to do with me pushing here. Not only that I can rebuy if I bust but that they can too and probably aren't playing premium hands here. I had the blinds on pair hands and straight draws after that action so thought I had a good shot of taking it down right there, or pairing up or flushing. A standard tourney I fold this unless I'm super confident I'm not getting called if I do push.

**daneblazer** · 07-17-14, 06:43 PM

Is there an add on?

After Rebuys and late registration there's probably not as much overlay as you think

**SharpAngles** · 07-17-14, 06:56 PM

Should have specified it was $25 + $10 with a single $20 rebuy/add on, so the most any player couple have in the prize pool was $45 when you subtract the $10 fee that goes to the house. 45 showed up before reg ended so we had about $500 the casino was adding. Apparently I came on the perfect day because according to the floor they average 80-90 on Thursdays.

**daneblazer** · 07-17-14, 06:59 PM

Shoving isn't terrible, and that's a good flop for AQs, but As played your friend is right. Stacking two guys there doesn't mean you'll cruise to the money esp with add Ons. It's too early and Theres reverse implied odds even if you flush up. The buy in amount does matter, but it will be worth more later if you Have to rebuy or can add on once guys are knocked out.

Noticing literally half the table called every pf raise and not hammering your utg raise was a mistake. I'd raise it to like 300, maybe more...

**ShogunRua** · 07-17-14, 06:59 PM

It's a definite shove for reasons already mentioned. If you lose, you rebuy and move on.

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

The price of the tournament or the fact that it allows rebuys doesn't affect the strategy here.

Disagree. If you feel you are playing with players that are not as good as you, there is no need to risk everything so early in the tournament regardless of how much equity you have in a particular hand.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-17-14, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by ShogunRua

It's a definite shove for reasons already mentioned. If you lose, you rebuy and move on.

Disagree. If you feel you are playing with players that are not as good as you, there is no need to risk everything so early in the tournament regardless of how much equity you have in a particular hand.

Except there are a million tournaments available every day. The less time you spend in tournaments you're not winning the higher your hourly rate. No top player would fold this hand, ever. Ever.

**SharpAngles** · 07-17-14, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Except there are a million tournaments available every day. The less time you spend in tournaments you're not winning the higher your hourly rate. No top player would fold this hand, ever. Ever.

Highly agree with this point. Never been a fan of the ultimate survivor style. I've always preferred to go big when I can and risk going out early because all that means is I'm in a cash game or on to the next tourney sooner.

**TheCentaur** · 07-17-14, 09:04 PM

I also think the payout structure should be considered

Also, $25 + 10??? That stinks

**SharpAngles** · 07-17-14, 11:06 PM

Not sure why the pay out structure matters when this is the first level but it was the typical flat and top heavy. As for the $10 fee welcome to California. The cash games at Oceans were pretty nice actually because they let the blinds chop with no drop and only take 3+1 in rake on big pots which is not usual in socal.

**TheCentaur** · 07-18-14, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by SharpAngles

Not sure why the pay out structure matters when this is the first level but it was the typical flat and top heavy. As for the $10 fee welcome to California. The cash games at Oceans were pretty nice actually because they let the blinds chop with no drop and only take 3+1 in rake on big pots which is not usual in socal.

To each their own I guess

If a tourney is really top heavy especially if there is a rebuy I am going to gamble early to build a big stack and take a shot at first