i didnt know that about the 20 posts but i do want to hear what you have to say. 20 posts shouldnt take long to make, just send it after you can do the pm. i had a long response to what you were trying to say which was very longwinded in itself and we kinda were going off to left field a little bit, so id rather keep the more concise comments in this thread.
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the only thing i dont agree with is that it seems like everyone is giving this other guy too much credit for having a big hand, as we saw he didnt have one at all. it had been pretty tight up to that point, but it was only an hour or so into the game, as most of you know even the tighter cash games tend to loosen up. this guy was on the button and was very hesistant in calling 29 more preflop getting about 2.7ish-1 and having position (and closing the action) after he had raised multiple limpers, so that seems to lean to him having a mediocre/button raise type hand (turns out he didnt even have that good!). if i had a hand like 89 suited, i may have raised it on the button in this type of game myself where multiple players were playing for 3 dollars and never raising, and i definitely would be calling the extra 29 preflop, so it didnt seem too outlandish to me. i think he probably could have folded preflop even to this small reraise as he wasnt even suited and he had a 1 gapper.Comment -
Excelent point of view, im my oppinion that is the play!!!!!!!POPPING MY POSTING CHERRY HERE!
Let me preface this with the inevitable poker cliche it depends. I will give my opinion as if I had just sat at the table and everyone was completely unknown to me (no reads, no showdowns seen, or prior play with villain). Yes, I call a shove after I lead here. Part of the reason I call a shove is, I would have lead much larger than $55 into a pot of approximately $100. I'm leading a full pot bet maybe even a tad over pot ($120). I'm doing that because at first this board looks like a great board for us, but when you look again a majority of turn cards arent going to be good for black kings, if villain is peeling for $55. We should be focused on taking the pot down here or atleast give villain terrible odds to draw to and I'm shoving on the turn 90 times out of 100. By betting $55 we are giving villain excellent odds to peel off a card on what really is a very drawy board. What happens when he flats for $55 and any heart, Q, J, 10, A, 4, or 5 peels off on the turn. Now we have approximately 2/3 pot in our stack oop with no real information from the prior street. I think in certain situations the way you played would be fine but, from your description (passive/nitty $1/$3 table) this is the line I'd take. As played I still call a shove you are firing what most $1/$3 players would consider a weak cbet so they will be shoving light a lot. You are only dominated by 66, 77, 88, and AA given your preflop action we can discount 66 most of the time and 77, 88 in a lot of cases. This leaves AA as the only realistic hand that we are dominated by. If villain shows up with AA or a set chalk it up to cold deck and rebuy. IMO villain's shoving range would be as follows (majority of the time): AhXh, KhJh+, 55+ and (small % of the time) A8ss and complete air. Sorry for the long post but, I am a very big fan of discussing poker strategy.
Cheers and good luck at the tables.
-TruDegen
a big pair is good preflop but not guaranty to make it to the end, and pot odds are the best defence for the big pairs and, the call or re=raise will provide the hero the necesary info needed for the desicion.
Again exwelent post and I would have done the same.Comment -
$44 reraise OOP is too much for me even with 5 limpers. I probably go $35 max and hope to see the flop 3 handed; it makes the button play much more honestly when facing two opponents. Flop is terrible for your hand IMO. I check the flop being OOP and go with live reads. If I think I'm good, I go for a c/r and looking at your stack, loves like it would be a shove. As for whether you should call a shove on the flop after your continuation bet, it all depends. You have to know your players and go with your read when playing live.Comment -
if hes calling the flop your drawing dead
u made it so obvious you had a big pocket pairComment -
this is an interesting concept, i still dont see many players limping for 3 then calling 32 more after 2 raises, but ya if i took this line c/r all in is probably the best line assuming i get multiple callers and not too much action on the flop, it getting checked to the turn would suck though.Comment -
i sorta like moses idea if i knew the players at the table a little better, really didnt know any of these guys. if i thought there was some players who could call the 35 after limping then maybe i basically check the flop dark and either shove or fold depending on what plays out. there were many smaller stacks 2, so it seemed even less likely, i just figured id play this guy heads up.Comment
