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[Dbldown11]

dude you're just wrong what do you mean transitory stuff?????????those are exactly the things you look at when capping games.....You must be an idiot, and I fully expect and demand that you admit you're completely wrong come about 10:30 wed. night. You asked for reasons and I gave you plenty, the fact remains that you refuse to admit your'e wrong at this point and there is nothing worse than someone that refuses to admit they are wrong, when they are.

[Chi_archie]

Ball St. is overrated....Pure and Simple

Their opponents have a combined record of 23-47. NIU's opponents have a combined record of 31-43 (still not good, but better than Ball St. and Tennesse, Minnesota, and Western Michigan (the three teams that beat NIU) are better than any team Ball St. has played this season.

Ball St.'s major victory this season came at Indiana for god sakes, a team that lost at home to another MAC team yesterday.

And it is important that while Ball st beat Western Kentucky by 17 that is not good enough considering that NORTH ****ING TEXAS beat them by 11.

also while NIU beat Bowling Green at home by 3 what's wrong with that? Bowling Green went on the road to PITT and won. And I reiterate that points were hard to come by in that game because winds were very high and that made the passing game obsolete. When teams can't pass because of weather and their only option is to run the ball, and the defense knows they have to run the ball, no one is going to score much which is exactly what happend.

Now lets look at the teams that NIU and Ball St. have both played. On the road NIU beat eastern michigan 37-0...Ball St. beat eastern michigan at home 38-16. At home NIU beat Toledo 38-7 and on the road Ball St. beat Toledo 31-0 (same margin of victory there.

Does this help explain this to you a little bit as to why Ball St. is vastly overrated, and will have a hard time against NIU????

I mean stats can be twisted alot of ways...

you can post the combined records of opponents, but strength of schedule gets you NO where if you lose.

fact remains, that NIU hasn't BEAT anyone either..
moral victories only.


let's quote records then...don't know why I waste my time..

record of teams NIU beat... 10-34 .230 win %

record of teams ball beat 23-47 (quoted by you) =.330 win %

sucky...maybe over-rated..but still better then NIU


ball st. may be over-rated by public.

but c'mon.. admit... NIU is a bit over-rated by YOU

[Chi_archie]

again....

two teams line up on wednesday.. better team wins most of the time..

I have no problem admitting i'm wrong about Ball st. being the better team if NIU wins.


but you'll still be a homer, even if a miracle happens.... lol

[Dbldown11]

No, because I'm not saying that NIU is the 16th best team in the nation (which ball st. is ranked WHAT A JOKE!) I'm simply saying they are as good or better than Ball St. and the only reason Ball St. has a better record of teams they beat is because they have beaten every team they played....And every single team they have played is complete garbage...As I state before the three teams NIU lost to are Minnesota on the road by 4, and they led in that game with less than a minute to go. Western Michigan on the road by 3 (and NIU's starting QB got knocked out in that game) and Tennesse by 4 in Tennessee (they held Tennessee to 13 points at home impressive for a MAC team to do regardless of Tennessee this year, AND NIU played the entire 2nd half with their 3rd string QB).

NIU lost all those games by a combined 11 points, two of them without their starting QB that will be playing wed. and all three of those teams are better than anyone Ball St. has played this year.

[Dbldown11]

again....

two teams line up on wednesday.. better team wins most of the time..

I have no problem admitting i'm wrong about Ball st. being the better team if NIU wins.


but you'll still be a homer, even if a miracle happens.... lol

That's not true at all, I've brought up MORE THAN ENOUGH valid points here, regardless of what team I'm a fan of. THIS IS NOT A HOMER CALL. It is the right call based simply on FACTS!

[Chi_archie]

dude, for real I have no beef with you...


my handicapping goes beyond looking at past games.... that won't get you very far... you gotta look at coaches, how they have adjusted in the past, schemes, and most important to me match-ups.... i.e defensive lines vs o-lines and vice versa..... secondly because they are college students, I look at injuries, experience, intangibles all rolled up. I looked at this game sat evening quickly... I came way thinking Ball st. had a lot, not a ton...but alot of reasons to win.

I came away thinking that NIU would be a fluke win, and hey alot of flukes happen in NCAA fb.... keeping holding onto your fluke-dream..

[Chi_archie]

transitory...means looking at past opponent A that lost to past opponent B, and past Opponent B SUCKS...

that is how squares bet..

by that logic Penn State should beat USC by 70 by looking at the oregon st. connection...

you gotta look at matchups

[Dbldown11]

well then this discussion is pointless. If you think NIU winning would be a FLUKE then you have obviouisly paid no attention to any of the FACTS i have laid out in front of you.

I've given TONS of reasons why NIU will win, and you havnt given any as to why Ball St. will win.

The fact that you can say NIU winning would be a fluke, proves to me that it's a waste of my time using logic and reason with you, when you obviously pay no attention to such things

[Dbldown11]

I know what transitory means ****er, and I was simply saying that the majority of the things I mentioned are not transitory. The fact that Ball St. is overrated because they have played NO GOOD TEAMS is not transitory. The fact that the three teams NIU lost to are better than anyone on Ball St's schedule is not transitory....And it's not transitory that NIU played tight games to two good teams, and one bad SEC team on the road (but SEC team on the road none the less) and two of those losses were without their starting QB, and one was with their 3rd string QB....None of those things are TRANSITRORY...webster

[Chi_archie]

maybe you are right...

if ball st comes out -9.5 i'd jump all over the NIU side. if it is -9 i'd stay away....

-7.5 prob still stay away, -7 might buy a point for Ball, -6 i'd go huge on ball st, (as I think ball state is way 3 points better then NIU and would beat them 60% of the time with that spread)
you're contention is that NIU beats Ball St. straight up... and I'd take that bet EVERY TIME.


ball state is #16 in the country... the BURDEN of proof is in your arena sir, you have mentioned zero personnal reasons why NIU is better, and only used weak team B is better then team C reasons, from way back in august.. as if these teams were static and made no adjustments.

in any event, good luck to your favored team... I have allegience to neither and will continue to look at the game up till wednesday..with a huge huge huge pre-line lean towards NIU

how much will you be putting on the NIU ML by the way?

[Chi_archie]

no need to get personal and heated, fella

[Chi_archie]

anyways, good luck.... I love when an underdog wins... especially on weekday nights

[Dbldown11]

i dont know how much im gonna put on it yet....ML not much, but a lot with the spread.

[Chi_archie]

sounds good..

got no beef with you, or NIU..... just killing time waiting for my Gf, and the start of the next game.


but what DO you think the line for Ball State v NIU game opens and closes at?

I can see an open of 9.5 and then moving all the way to 7.5 (-115)

[Dbldown11]

No beef here either, I just get heated sometimes.....

Dude I just saw that Ball St. opened at 9.5.

I may have gone out on a lim by saying NIU would win straight up, but 9.5 points is WAY too much for Ball St. to lay. NIU's 3 losses were all on the road to good-decent teams @ a combine 11 points...How can they get 9.5 here

[Chi_archie]

I mean, I'd grab the 9.5 there if you really believe in your team... I doubt the line would move the other way... I have no line on my books yet

[Dbldown11]

you dont think that 9.5 is way too many points?

[Chi_archie]

I see the cut off point for this game with me, before looking more closely... is 7

there are great motivational factors to think NIU comes storming outta the locker room to prove themselves here.... as well as ball st. to be playing all out to make their case as a legit team in the national arena....

I'm sure that line will move down come wednesday/thurs

[johnnymapalo]

yea, i got UCF 1st half (+3) here. UCF offense is pathetic man. I'm just hoping that they can play defense and hold their own for the 1st half. They did it against an explosive Tulsa offense. They should be able to do it to ECU. Let's just hope..

[Dbldown11]

I think the line will stay the same or actually increase a little until shortly before kickoff wed....at that point I think you'll see it drop sharply

[johnnymapalo]

yea, i got UCF 1st half (+3) here. UCF offense is pathetic man. I'm just hoping that they can play defense and hold their own for the 1st half. They did it against an explosive Tulsa offense. They should be able to do it to ECU. Let's just hope..

Got it!!! Connection. Anything that happens after this I could care less...

[Euphoria38]

I am eating some serious shit on ECU against Grandpa O'Leary's defense. Rob Kass looks horrible. ECU has superior athletes and on their returns they start the ball at their own 40 or 50 EVERY ****ING DRIVE. How in the hell are they gonna cover -5 for me. God ****ing ECU. I hate college football. UGH

[The Seer]

they have these weekday and sunday games to give smaller schools more exposure....

It's all about money not exposure. Nothing more, nothing less. They know people will watch the only football game on tv. They also know alot of people gamble and will watch it.

[yisman]

the Sunday night game isn't the only football game on, though.