Do replacement Refs affect week 1 lines?

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  • Rich Boy
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    • 02-01-09
    • 9714

    #1
    Do replacement Refs affect week 1 lines?
    Anybody have insight?

    Any preseason penalty trends that might affect Over/Unders in week 1?
  • Brock Landers
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 06-30-08
    • 45359

    #2
    Not in the least
    The refs think they special...but they are not
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    • Vegas39
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      • 09-22-11
      • 30686

      #3
      Not sure it affects lines but bet 90% who lose blame it on replacement refs
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      • LT Profits
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        • 10-27-06
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        #4
        No.
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        • milwaukee mike
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          • 08-22-07
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          #5
          Good question

          I think penalties will be way down, should lead to higher scoring

          I think offensive linemen are gonna hold a lot more cuz they think they can get away with it
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          • Naz18
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            • 09-10-09
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            #6
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            • Emily_Haines
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              • 04-14-09
              • 15917

              #7
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              • Chi_archie
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-22-08
                • 63172

                #8
                not sure if it will effect spreads or totals

                but it will effect the overall flow of games

                its pretty ridiculous that the NFL can't pay for the best there is and protect the owners' and their huge investments
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                • hels
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                  • 04-12-09
                  • 8767

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                  not sure if it will effect spreads or totals

                  but it will effect the overall flow of games

                  its pretty ridiculous that the NFL can't pay for the best there is and protect the owners' and their huge investments
                  So you think less people will watch because of replacement refs?
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                  • robmpink
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                    • 01-09-07
                    • 13205

                    #10
                    they really suck though.
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                    • DustyRhodes
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                      • 07-07-11
                      • 406

                      #11
                      Did you hear that they are only making $3500 per game?
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                      • Vegas39
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                        • 09-22-11
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DustyRhodes
                        Did you hear that they are only making $3500 per game?
                        It's free play With a 4x rollover
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                        • Bill Dozer
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                          • 07-12-05
                          • 10894

                          #13
                          More or less flags....that is the Q?
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                          • onlooker
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                            • 08-10-05
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Vegas39
                            Not sure it affects lines but bet 90% who lose blame it on replacement refs
                            They don't need to be replacements for that to happen.

                            I just hope they know that there is only one ball allowed in play, where to spot the ball, and what a touchback is by now.
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                            • tatommack
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                              • 10-10-08
                              • 4171

                              #15
                              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                              Good question

                              I think penalties will be way down, should lead to higher scoring

                              I think offensive linemen are gonna hold a lot more cuz they think they can get away with it
                              You make some very good points
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                              • CrazyCarl
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                                • 10-09-11
                                • 1437

                                #16
                                If there were distinct trends of too many or too few calls by the replacement refs, maybe. If not, not really.
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                                • TheGuesser
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                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 2714

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DustyRhodes
                                  Did you hear that they are only making $3500 per game?
                                  Never has the NFL been more set up for a fixing scandal then with these scab Refs. They make peanuts, have no loyalty to the NFL, and know they'll be discarded back to their Division 3 or Arena League Obscurity, as soon as the real guys come back. Goodell rails about the integrity of the game, in his arguments against legalizing NFL Betting in the US, but he's allowing that integrity to be potentially compromised by screwing with the real refs.
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                                  • Inkwell77
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                                    • 02-03-11
                                    • 3227

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by TheGuesser
                                    Never has the NFL been more set up for a fixing scandal then with these scab Refs. They make peanuts, have no loyalty to the NFL, and know they'll be discarded back to their Division 3 or Arena League Obscurity, as soon as the real guys come back. Goodell rails about the integrity of the game, in his arguments against legalizing NFL Betting in the US, but he's allowing that integrity to be potentially compromised by screwing with the real refs.

                                    I hope it happens! Hopefully Billy Walters can get on the phone. Really, if BW offered a couple of these scab refs $100,000 each up front would they not take it? BW could get a million down on this game I would imagine. Easy money....
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                                    • GunShard
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                                      • 03-05-10
                                      • 10031

                                      #19
                                      This could effect gamblers.

                                      Gamblers should not complain about bad officiating after losing money, everyone has been warned.
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                                      • Stevedore
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                                        • 11-10-10
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DustyRhodes
                                        Did you hear that they are only making $3500 per game?
                                        I heard $2000 and regular refs get $8000
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                                        • Boner_18
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-24-08
                                          • 8301

                                          #21
                                          Anytime ownership stands up to.a union its better for.consumers. NFL reffing is not a particularly difficult skill. One that requires experience to hone, like any skill, sure. Hell replace them with computers.
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                                          • milwaukee mike
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                                            • 08-22-07
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                            More or less flags....that is the Q?
                                            LESS... that is the answer

                                            a lot of people are quick to ignore this, it might not make a huge difference but every little bit of info counts as a handicapper (especially when most are ignoring it)
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                                            • zoo youk
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                                              • 10-23-11
                                              • 10701

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                              More or less flags....that is the Q?
                                              way less. they have admitted themselves the speed of the game is really tough for them to get adjusted to. its just like a d3 player going to the nfl. their eye is NOT trained to this speed and 4 pre season games aren't going to do it either.

                                              this is why you have seen a ton of blatant holding penalties not called pre season and that will be trend that carries over into the regular season.

                                              they have done a good job with PI though.
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                                              • Madison
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                                                • 09-16-11
                                                • 6455

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                                LESS... that is the answer

                                                a lot of people are quick to ignore this, it might not make a huge difference but every little bit of info counts as a handicapper (especially when most are ignoring it)
                                                Agreee MM. If you saw that call (embarrassing debacle) in the Pats game they will be less prone to want to put themselves in the national spotlight. Lot more focus on a mistaken call than a non call.
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                                                • Rich Boy
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                                                  • 02-01-09
                                                  • 9714

                                                  #25
                                                  They directly affected the outcome of many games

                                                  I think taking all underdogs is a good plan right now.

                                                  Replacement refs bailing out teams with bogus calls all day. Any garbage team has a chance to win now.
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                                                  • Rich Boy
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                                                    • 02-01-09
                                                    • 9714

                                                    #26
                                                    Dogs hitting at 61.7% ATS so far this year
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