Braves (Maholm) +136 over Nationals (Strasburg)

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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
    • 65681

    #1
    Braves (Maholm) +136 over Nationals (Strasburg)
    There are certain teams that particular pitchers just have trouble with.
    It's been like that in baseball for ever, Koufax had trouble with the Giants, Yankees has trouble with the Orioles in the late 80's / early 90's, Stasburg has trouble with the Braves.

    I know the gaudy numbers just as well as you do. I know all about Strasbug and his 14-5 won loss record. His stellar 2.91 ERA, his tidy 1.13 WH/IP ratio, his alarming 173 strike outs.
    You can sit here until 7pm and give my 1000 reasons not to fade the Nationals and Strasburg.

    I'll give you seven reasons why I am fading the Nationals with Strasburg.

    1) This is the 5th time this season Strasburg starts against Atlanta.
    Every start with the exception of June 2, when Stras went 7 solid innings, scattering 4 hits, no earned, Stras has been ugly against the Braves.

    2)His last start, July 20, Braves raked him in that 11-10 clusterfuck loss . Braves touched him up for 8 hits, 4 earned, never getting out of the sixth.

    3)June 30 , at Turner, Stras never sees the fourth inning, Stras uses 67 pitches in 3 innings, coughing up 3 earned, 4 walks, in a 7-5 loss.

    4)May 26, Stras beats Atlanta, but a butt ugly win never the less.
    Walks four, gives up six hits, gets yanked after five full, gives up four earned.

    5)Not saying the Stras is the Braves bitch, am saying Stras is nothing special to Atlanta.
    Uggla hits him hard, McCann does too, so does Heyward.

    6) If you bet Stras, you are going to get at best, 2/3rds of your money's worth.
    He's now on a very strict innings/pitch count, he won't see the end of the sixth innings,unless he's thrown 52 pitches and working on a perfect game, and even then, Davey might pull him.

    7) Mahlom has lived up to all the hype heaped on him five years ago.
    Quietly has won 11 games himself this season. He's a very crafty lefty.
    His numbers this season are rock solid. 3.39 ERA, solid. His WH/IP ratio is the same (almost) as Stras, rock solid 1.17.
    Has struck out 101 himself.
    One of the most underrated starters this season.

    This is a spot play fellas, wonder boy Stras is not going 33-0 in his 33 starts this season, just like Charlie Morton is not going 0-33 in his 33 starts.
    There are spots when the best of the best fail, and the worst of the worst succeed.

    This (imo) is one of those spots tonight.

    It's a spot play, a value play if you will.
    Braves have shown they hit Stras this season, Maholm has shown he can get batters out on a consistent basis this season, and I am getting almost 7:5 odds.

    Braves 2*
  • milwaukee mike
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-22-07
    • 26914

    #2
    nice write up

    i am on over 7 (+101), with the fact that strasburg probably isn't going deep, and the nats ability to have a big inning, i thought it was the better play but i definitely see where you're coming from too
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63172

      #3
      great post......

      why you gotta pick on Charlie Morton though? also Nats have done well vs Maholm as well

      I'll tail but I'm taking over slightly larger
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      • stevenash
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        • 01-17-11
        • 65681

        #4
        Originally posted by Chi_archie
        great post......

        why you gotta pick on Charlie Morton though? also Nats have done well vs Maholm as well

        I'll tail but I'm taking over slightly larger
        I just used Morton as an example.
        I know the Morton family, Morton pitched for Redding HS (Barlow) 10 minutes from where I live in Fairfield Ct.
        Used to watch him pitch when he was all-everything in High School, when Morton started, the whole state of Connecticut watched.
        His dad is good people, Charlie was a good kid, still is, but let's face it, Charlie is having trouble getting big boy hitters out.
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        • Chi_archie
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-22-08
          • 63172

          #5
          hard to get hitters out from the 60 day DL

          did you see him in 2011?

          if the Pirates had him healthy like that, they might be neck and neck with reds now
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          • R.P. McMurphy
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 06-15-12
            • 9654

            #6
            I want to take the ov in this game but after the extras last night I'm a little worried. Braves at that price though may be to nice to pass on. As always nice write-up Nash!
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            • No coincidences
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-18-10
              • 76300

              #7
              Originally posted by Chi_archie
              hard to get hitters out from the 60 day DL

              did you see him in 2011?

              if the Pirates had him healthy like that, they might be neck and neck with reds now
              Poor man's Halladay when he's at his best.

              Homeless crackhead's Halladay when he's at his worst.
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              • Chi_archie
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-22-08
                • 63172

                #8
                extras last night means bullpens LESS fresh and very taxed!!!!!
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65681

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                  hard to get hitters out from the 60 day DL

                  did you see him in 2011?

                  if the Pirates had him healthy like that, they might be neck and neck with reds now

                  Morton made every start last season, won 10, had a good season for a back end of the rotation guy.
                  Pitt is overhauling his whole pitching approach, in HS, he had one of the most devastating curve I ever saw, started at the bill of the cap, ended at your toes.
                  Now the Pirates want to feature his sinker, they want to make him a poor man's Halladay so to speak.
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                  • Melda
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-27-11
                    • 1028

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Chi_archie
                    extras last night means bullpens LESS fresh and very taxed!!!!!
                    we got smoked on that pit/pit over game last night...im gonna hit the pitt over tonight. nats over also.
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                    • winslow9675
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 04-27-12
                      • 145

                      #11
                      Originally posted by stevenash
                      There are certain teams that particular pitchers just have trouble with.
                      It's been like that in baseball for ever, Koufax had trouble with the Giants, Yankees has trouble with the Orioles in the late 80's / early 90's, Stasburg has trouble with the Braves.

                      I know the gaudy numbers just as well as you do. I know all about Strasbug and his 14-5 won loss record. His stellar 2.91 ERA, his tidy 1.13 WH/IP ratio, his alarming 173 strike outs.
                      You can sit here until 7pm and give my 1000 reasons not to fade the Nationals and Strasburg.

                      I'll give you seven reasons why I am fading the Nationals with Strasburg.

                      1) This is the 5th time this season Strasburg starts against Atlanta.
                      Every start with the exception of June 2, when Stras went 7 solid innings, scattering 4 hits, no earned, Stras has been ugly against the Braves.

                      2)His last start, July 20, Braves raked him in that 11-10 clusterfuck loss . Braves touched him up for 8 hits, 4 earned, never getting out of the sixth.

                      3)June 30 , at Turner, Stras never sees the fourth inning, Stras uses 67 pitches in 3 innings, coughing up 3 earned, 4 walks, in a 7-5 loss.

                      4)May 26, Stras beats Atlanta, but a butt ugly win never the less.
                      Walks four, gives up six hits, gets yanked after five full, gives up four earned.

                      5)Not saying the Stras is the Braves bitch, am saying Stras is nothing special to Atlanta.
                      Uggla hits him hard, McCann does too, so does Heyward.

                      6) If you bet Stras, you are going to get at best, 2/3rds of your money's worth.
                      He's now on a very strict innings/pitch count, he won't see the end of the sixth innings,unless he's thrown 52 pitches and working on a perfect game, and even then, Davey might pull him.

                      7) Mahlom has lived up to all the hype heaped on him five years ago.
                      Quietly has won 11 games himself this season. He's a very crafty lefty.
                      His numbers this season are rock solid. 3.39 ERA, solid. His WH/IP ratio is the same (almost) as Stras, rock solid 1.17.
                      Has struck out 101 himself.
                      One of the most underrated starters this season.

                      This is a spot play fellas, wonder boy Stras is not going 33-0 in his 33 starts this season, just like Charlie Morton is not going 0-33 in his 33 starts.
                      There are spots when the best of the best fail, and the worst of the worst succeed.

                      This (imo) is one of those spots tonight.

                      It's a spot play, a value play if you will.
                      Braves have shown they hit Stras this season, Maholm has shown he can get batters out on a consistent basis this season, and I am getting almost 7:5 odds.

                      Braves 2*
                      Great post!! I think the most important question to ask is " How the hell did you get Steve Nash in a Lakers jersey? Nice work!

                      Mr. Photoshop
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                      • Smoke
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 10-09-09
                        • 48111

                        #12
                        Stevenash on the board
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                        • stevenash
                          Moderator
                          • 01-17-11
                          • 65681

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Smoke
                          Stevenash on the board
                          Smokey in the house.

                          At the book store people crowd to see Smokey read.

                          Even midgets look up to Smokey.

                          Smokey has never found a penny that wasn't heads up.
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                          • LT Profits
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 10-27-06
                            • 90963

                            #14
                            I am on Braves too, and you got the slightly better price (I have +134).
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                            • R.P. McMurphy
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 06-15-12
                              • 9654

                              #15
                              B.P's are taxed but if Maholm and Stras can make it 7 full we won't see much of them. And the players could have dead legs as well... tough call. Ov and the Braves as I stated though are very tempting.
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                              • Bengals28
                                SBR MVP
                                • 04-20-11
                                • 2164

                                #16
                                I'm gonna murder the closer. Got +155 last night!

                                BOL let's cash boys!
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65681

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Bengals28
                                  I'm gonna murder the closer. Got +155 last night!
                                  That's a sweet ass number !!!
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                                  • a4u2fear
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                                    • 01-29-10
                                    • 8147

                                    #18
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                                    • MM Discipline
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                                      • 08-06-12
                                      • 22

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Bengals28
                                      I'm gonna murder the closer. Got +155 last night!

                                      BOL let's cash boys!
                                      Agreed, great number Bengals28!
                                      And Steveie Nash I love the play thanks for the write up as well
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                                      • Mantle7
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 08-05-12
                                        • 3138

                                        #20
                                        Really nice write up. I was flirting with it but now I'm convinced. ATL TT Over 3 -105.
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                                        • Mikeyanks23
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-30-10
                                          • 4517

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                          I just used Morton as an example.
                                          I know the Morton family, Morton pitched for Redding HS (Barlow) 10 minutes from where I live in Fairfield Ct.
                                          Used to watch him pitch when he was all-everything in High School, when Morton started, the whole state of Connecticut watched.
                                          His dad is good people, Charlie was a good kid, still is, but let's face it, Charlie is having trouble getting big boy hitters out.
                                          I faced this kid when i was 17 and he was 16 i think. During AAU i think. And holy shit. He had the nastiest curve ball ive ever seen. Thing was practically unhittable. If i remember correctly he had 16 or 17 strikeouts in 7 innings. Beat me 2-0.
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                                          • You mad bro
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 01-15-12
                                            • 16641

                                            #22
                                            on this with u steve !! +135
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                                            • stevenash
                                              Moderator
                                              • 01-17-11
                                              • 65681

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Mikeyanks23
                                              I faced this kid when i was 17 and he was 16 i think. During AAU i think. And holy shit. He had the nastiest curve ball ive ever seen. Thing was practically unhittable. If i remember correctly he had 16 or 17 strikeouts in 7 innings. Beat me 2-0.
                                              The 12 year old who pitched the LLWS no hitter for us last night, Will Lucas, can start for Fairfield JV right now against the 15 year olds.
                                              He'll get them out too.
                                              Some mad talent comes from right here in Connecticut.
                                              Matt Harvey comes from 20 miles to the north of me.
                                              All the HS teams here are loaded.
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                                              • You mad bro
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                                                • 01-15-12
                                                • 16641

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mantle7
                                                Really nice write up. I was flirting with it but now I'm convinced. ATL TT Over 3 -105.


                                                i got -115 at my book .. ur line so much nicer lol
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                                                • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 08-31-11
                                                  • 12722

                                                  #25
                                                  Wasn't it 110 degrees on the field, concerning your 2) point????
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                                                  • spankie
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                                                    • 02-10-11
                                                    • 9992

                                                    #26
                                                    board gonna get buried on this.

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                                                    • You mad bro
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                                                      • 01-15-12
                                                      • 16641

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by spankie
                                                      board gonna get buried on this.



                                                      oh wells
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                                                      • Madison
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                                                        • 09-16-11
                                                        • 6461

                                                        #28
                                                        Thanks Nash. Been busy and getting a little lazy. Been riding Maholm in spots all season. Was thinking under FF but now reconsidering. He's been one of the most consistent pitchers all season.
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                                                        • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 08-31-11
                                                          • 12722

                                                          #29
                                                          Forgot to mention that the Nats hit Maholm pretty well.. .847 clip
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                                                          • BennyFang
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-27-09
                                                            • 1412

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                                            I just used Morton as an example.
                                                            I know the Morton family, Morton pitched for Redding HS (Barlow) 10 minutes from where I live in Fairfield Ct.
                                                            Used to watch him pitch when he was all-everything in High School, when Morton started, the whole state of Connecticut watched.
                                                            His dad is good people, Charlie was a good kid, still is, but let's face it, Charlie is having trouble getting big boy hitters out.
                                                            Braves fan here....He was lauded as a "poor man's Smoltz" here when he came up in '08.....he did have promise. Talk about a bad trade for both sides....he came here for McLouth, what a joke. The only one left around after that deal is Gorkys Hernandez, who is with Miami now. I wouldnt shut the door on Morton yet though.....

                                                            You're giving me some faith on my team after our demoralizing loss last night. Both bullpens went deep last night!(well Kimbrel didnt pitch) but overall the Braves pen is more fresh. I'll have to put a little on em.
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                                                            • stevenash
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-17-11
                                                              • 65681

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by PickWinnerAllDay
                                                              Forgot to mention that the Nats hit Maholm pretty well.. .847 clip
                                                              Then fukkin fade me.
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                                                              • Smoke
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-09-09
                                                                • 48111

                                                                #32
                                                                stevenash is my hero!
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                                                                • stevenash
                                                                  Moderator
                                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                                  • 65681

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BennyFang
                                                                  Braves fan here....He was lauded as a "poor man's Smoltz" here when he came up in '08.....he did have promise. Talk about a bad trade for both sides....he came here for McLouth, what a joke. The only one left around after that deal is Gorkys Hernandez, who is with Miami now. I wouldnt shut the door on Morton yet though.....

                                                                  You're giving me some faith on my team after our demoralizing loss last night. Both bullpens went deep last night!(well Kimbrel didnt pitch) but overall the Braves pen is more fresh. I'll have to put a little on em.
                                                                  Charlie got drafted right out of HS.
                                                                  Could have used a couple seasons of college.
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                                                                  • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-31-11
                                                                    • 12722

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                    Then fukkin fade me.
                                                                    Only fair to mention all relevant statistics man if you want people to take you seriously.

                                                                    The Braves light Strasburg up b/c of an .861 OPS but no mention of the .847 OPS the Nats have on Maholm? I think you are just too big of a baby to take constructive criticism.
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                                                                    • stevenash
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                                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                                      • 65681

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Smoke
                                                                      stevenash is my hero!
                                                                      Smokey can speak fluent French, in Russian.
                                                                      Smokey's mom has a tattoo that says 'SON'
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