Is Tony Dungy on something????

WestsidePete · 10-27-08, 10:29 PM

Dungy fukked everything up with stupid ass decisions...

dwaechte · 10-27-08, 10:31 PM

He's smarter than you. Vinatieri doesn't have the leg for 51 yarders into the wind anymore.

Brock Landers · 10-27-08, 10:33 PM

He's done a great job!!!

single handedly gave us Tenn backers the cover tonight! LOL

daggerkobe · 10-27-08, 10:33 PM

He didn't want to return to coaching but the owner forced him to.

So now he's sabotaging his team like Kiffin did with the Raiders so he would be fired.

WestsidePete · 10-27-08, 10:34 PM

On 3rd and 2 if you know you'll go for it on 4th why not do a high percentage play on third or play two downs for 2 yards...going for it at mid field with a tie score in the third was stupid

SlickFazzer · 10-27-08, 10:34 PM

He's trying everything to jumpstart this team. Nothings working.

daggerkobe · 10-27-08, 10:35 PM

Vinatieri hit a 47 yarder this season.

But he can't hit a 51 yarder?

ZBOIZ · 10-27-08, 10:46 PM

Tony called a bad game. You dont go for 4th down when it's a tied game! You punt the ball and make Tennessee drive the field.

dwaechte · 10-27-08, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Vinatieri hit a 47 yarder this season.

But he can't hit a 51 yarder?

First, it was a 51 yarder into the wind.

The odds of him making the kick weren't very good, and if he misses, that's another 7 yards of field position you give the Titans. The odds of converting 3 yards are much, much better.

ocho cinco · 10-27-08, 10:49 PM

dungy's the man, he probably had money on titans money line

ZBOIZ · 10-27-08, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by dwaechte

First, it was a 51 yarder into the wind.

The odds of him making the kick weren't very good, and if he misses, that's another 7 yards of field position you give the Titans. The odds of converting 3 yards are much, much better.

but why not punt, and make Tennessee drive the field!!

ZBOIZ · 10-27-08, 10:50 PM

poor coaching by Dungy!!

daggerkobe · 10-27-08, 10:59 PM

What wind?????

If Vinatieri can make a 50 yarder in the freezing snows of NE, then he can friggin make a 51 yarder in to a breeze!

daggerkobe · 10-27-08, 11:01 PM

I'm friggin done with these primetime games...... first Andy Reid runs 4 times in to the heart of the Bears defense and now Dungy coaches like a moron to sabotage his own team.

donjuan · 10-27-08, 11:04 PM

Coaches are far too conservative when it comes to going for it on 4th down. Dungy made the correct decisions.

dwaechte · 10-27-08, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

What wind?????

If Vinatieri can make a 50 yarder in the freezing snows of NE, then he can friggin make a 51 yarder in to a breeze!

This isn't pre-2004. His leg isn't as strong anymore.

daggerkobe · 10-27-08, 11:30 PM

Kickers without strong legs do not make FGs of 46 & 47 as Adam has done this season.

DeluxeLiner · 10-27-08, 11:33 PM

Titans offense was pretty mediocre. Punting would have been a smart move cuz it is unlikely the Titans were going to take it all the way down, at least on this night.

fiveteamer · 10-27-08, 11:34 PM

4th down play calls were stupid.

dwaechte · 10-28-08, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Kickers without strong legs do not make FGs of 46 & 47 as Adam has done this season.

Huh? What football have you been watching? Even Akers can make 46 and 47 yarders.

l7ustin · 10-28-08, 12:10 AM

Titans drove the field everytime they got the ball in the 2nd half, they had just drove 80 yards to tie the game...lol how can you say that it is "unlikely the Titans were going to take it all the way down, at least on this night." they would have done it again

eidolon · 10-28-08, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Kickers without strong legs do not make FGs of 46 & 47 as Adam has done this season.

college players don't make those kicks, NFL kickers do. However they aren't expected to make 55 yard kicks; the 51 into the wind would be like trying to make a 60 yard kick.

daggerkobe · 10-28-08, 12:22 AM

Are you stupid???? Akers has made 11 FGs over 50+ yds...... I guess he has a weak leg too?

When a kicker can make 46, 47 yds with ease, 51 yds isn't asking too much now, is it? especially when he's the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history.

So stupid going for it when you got the greatest kicker in NFL history in a 3 pt game.

dwaechte · 10-28-08, 12:30 AM

From 2006 through 2008, Akers is 1 for 7 from 50+. Why do you think he's only taken 7 over that span?

This is pointless, you don't understand the probability of hitting the kick or converting a 4th and 3.

dwaechte · 10-28-08, 12:33 AM

In the regular season from 2003 through 2008, Adam Vinatieri is 0 for 6 on 50+ yard FG's.

He has not made a 50 yarder in over 5 years. Case closed.

daggerkobe · 10-28-08, 12:47 AM

AV is 8-19 (42%) on FGs of 50+ in his career. Higher than their 4th down conversion rate. And missing one 50+ a season doesn't mean jack shit. Even Janikowski missed 2 FGs of 56 & 57 in a dome before making the GW 57 yarder into the wind vs. Jets.

And the fact that AV has made 46 & 47 this season shows he hasn't lost anything on his leg. He should've at least gotten a chance to kick it.

Oh and the Colts went 0-2 on 4th down plays..... nice calls, I guess.

Dark Horse · 10-28-08, 12:47 AM

The first 4th down play wasn't smart, but it looked like Manning wanted to go for it. I think it went back to last week, when Manning also wanted to go for 4th and short around midfield. Dungy didn't go for it then, but on the next possession the Packers did go for 4th and short, and from thereon the rout was on.

Colts didn't stick with the game plan. First half was very effective and disciplined.

dwaechte · 10-28-08, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

The first 4th down play wasn't smart, but it looked like Manning wanted to go for it. I think it went back to last week, when Manning also wanted to go for 4th and short around midfield. Dungy didn't go for it then, but on the next possession the Packers did go for 4th and short, and from thereon the rout was on.

Colts didn't stick with the game plan. First half was very effective and disciplined.

I have a feeling that if you ran the numbers, it would be optimal to go for it there too.

I don't understand why coaches don't just use stats for these decisions. Come up with your expected point value of each yardline on the field for your offense vs their defense, come up with the % success of each decision and the resulting change in point expectancy etc...

etothep · 10-28-08, 12:54 AM

Anti-depressants are always a possibility (with that whole

thing)

Dark Horse · 10-28-08, 01:01 AM

Dallas Clark should have caught the ball when the Colts were behind 17-24. That would have put them right back into it. Instead he let it bounce off his helmet for an INT. That was the play that decided the game. Great pass by Manning, and Clark f*cked up like a rookie.

daggerkobe · 10-28-08, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

The first 4th down play wasn't smart, but it looked like Manning wanted to go for it. I think it went back to last week, when Manning also wanted to go for 4th and short around midfield. Dungy didn't go for it then, but on the next possession the Packers did go for 4th and short, and from thereon the rout was on.

Colts didn't stick with the game plan. First half was very effective and disciplined.

Not surprising QBs want to go for it on every 4th down. But Dungy's the coach and he should've told him to STFU and sit his ass down.

Neither of the situations called for them to go for it. Ended up costing them the game.

donjuan · 10-28-08, 01:25 AM

Not surprising QBs want to go for it on every 4th down. But Dungy's the coach and he should've told him to STFU and sit his ass down.

Neither of the situations called for them to go for it. Ended up costing them the game.

Why is it that most people are so anti-analytical about sports. These are easy decisions to go for it if you run the numbers. Statisticians have and they agree. They also figured out that coaches don't go for it anywhere near often enough but perhaps coaches don't want to go against conventional wisdom because if it doesn't work on that particular occasion, silly fans like you and others in this thread will complain. Coaches value job security more than actually giving their team the best chance to win.

Kingctb27 · 10-28-08, 01:29 AM

Lol you people realize that Dungy doesn't call the plays correct? Their OC gives Manning a few plays before each down and Peyton decides which play to call based on how the defense lines up. Vin wouldn't have made a 51 yard FG into that wind. Hell, he hasn't made a long FG in who knows when anyways.

Titans were the play and you guys are just haters.

daggerkobe · 10-28-08, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Dallas Clark should have caught the ball when the Colts were behind 17-24. That would have put them right back into it. Instead he let it bounce off his helmet for an INT. That was the play that decided the game. Great pass by Manning, and Clark f*cked up like a rookie.

They were down by 10 but yeah he should've caught it.

But the game was decided when that idiot Dungy went for it on 4th down & 1 with the game tied. Just punt the damn thing and let your defense stop em. Then he compounds the mistake going for it again with the greatest PK standing right next to him.