Chicago Bulls season wins over 40.5

[Bill Dozer]

I like this play. The Bulls are going to run again and pick up where they were supposed to last year. No single player has the coaching staff by the balls this year and will have to play the team game or sit. I like them to run the ball in the East. They even have trade bait to do something during the season...maybe for a big man. Rose looks like a good engine. Hope he can stay healthy.

The Greek has -115. Anyone see where this line started out?

[AK]

I have to agree with Bill Dozer.

Whats the max limit at The Greek on this?

[jjgold]

Big Problem with Bulls is they have low percentage shooters and ball hogs, the number is correct and will come down to final days to see if they go over or under the total, they lack the tough big men and solid low post scorers that keep you in games.

[Illusion]

Whats the max limit at The Greek on this?

$500

[Bill Dozer]

Big Problem with Bulls is they have low percentage shooters and ball hogs, the number is correct and will come down to final days to see if they go over or under the total, they lack the tough big men and solid low post scorers that keep you in games.

They do lack big big guys... like the Hornets. The Bulls finished 2007 with 49 wins. Then 2008 was all the Kobe-for-Deng, coach on his way out, and contract negotiation stuff.

[AK]

Dozer, Are we sure that over/under total is correct? I was thinking it should be more around the 58.5 area. This is an obviously good play to put the max bet on.

[Chi_archie]

I like the over 40.5 ALOT.. what is hughes status right now though?

I think Derrick Rose could be for the Bulls what Chris Paul was for the Hornets.

Tyrus Thomas should be a bit more consistent, Deng a year more mature and healthy... this team could suprise people

[Bill Dozer]

Yes, odds ranging from 40.5 (-115) to 43.

[Chi_archie]

Big Problem with Bulls is they have low percentage shooters and ball hogs, the number is correct and will come down to final days to see if they go over or under the total, they lack the tough big men and solid low post scorers that keep you in games.

Aaron Gray showed flashes of solid play last year as a rookie...

Gooden is more then servicable, and seemed to fit in well last year with the Bulls after the trade

[SBR Lou]

I had Memphis in the NCAA finals, and even though I was disappointed with their loss, Derrick Rose still stood out to me as a future NBA star. Hopefully he makes the transition well.

[5 star bomb]

Gooden and Noah are both decent... Need Rose/Gordon/Deng to have good years. I like the over

[bigboydan]

They do lack big big guys...

That's a moot point IMO, Bill. The Bulls never based their team around a big man for as long as I can remember. The one thing I will look for before betting futures is the rules. I know last year Wsex lowered their games played rule to 80 games.

[5 star bomb]

That's a moot point IMO, Bill. The Bulls never based their team around a big man for as long as I can remember. The one thing I will look for before betting futures is the rules. I know last year Wsex lowered their games played rule to 80 games.

yea well bc they had a guy by the name of Michael Jordan... they didnt need a big man. The Bulls dont have MJ and Pippen anymore...

[Bill Dozer]

I think Chi Archie makes a good comparison with the Hornets... Similar teams with not a lot of back to the basket guys but good guys to use with pass-first PGs. Same with Steve Nash teams. They run pick n rolls and start at the high post or shoot on the baseline.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I agree, Billy D. Although Accuscore strongly disagrees with you, projecting 29 wins on the season. They have put most of their drama behind them, signing Deng to 7 years and Gordon to a one year deal. Gordon will certainly want to excel this year as he was hoping to cash big in the offseason but failed to do so. I think Del Negro's running-style offense will fit nicely with the talent on the team. This was a team that was projected to make a run for the playoffs last year. They still have their key components. I guess it depends if they have gotten past their growing pains. This is a team that has plenty of decent guard play as well. So if Rose does struggle, they won't need to rely on him. However, I really don't see that happening anyway.

[THEGREAT30]

Deep team, but the East is gonna be sneaky tough, its worth a small play.

[Chi_archie]

people forget that Deng is somthing like 23 years old..... he has alot of improving and physical maturing to do still... I think he started at Duke when he was like 16 or 17... 2 years in college ball. He has been battling alot of health concerns, IF and its a big IF but if he can stay healthy, I think he has a break out year in 08-09 or 09-10.

[daggerkobe]

Still think Derrick Rose = Jay Williams (BUST).

Just can't see a guy who avg 14.9ppg/4.7 apg in college putting up Chris Paul like numbers (21.1 ppg/11.6 apg).

[Chi_archie]

jay williams busted his leg before he really got a chance....So unless you forsee Rose on a motorcyle, i'm not sure what the comparison is there

[MonkeyF0cker]

Exactly, chi. Williams was actually pretty damn good when he played.

[Panic]

This is a tough one. Bulls looked like sh!t last year. Got a stud in Rose, but let Duhon go(no big loss) and Gordon looks like he might pout all year.

[Chi_archie]

I'm not a bulls fan really...but I hear them on the radio all the time.

last year they had a ton of injuries, even when people played there had nagging injuries... they had a ton of drama and crazy coaching situations....

If they are more stable this year, they can be a dangerous team.

i'm not normally big on "team make-up" but I wonder who is the LEADER on this team. they are kinda made up of some cry-babies and immature kinda guys... like panic said about Gordon.... he is so inconsistent it is unreal.

But all things considered, this team has more then enough talent to be a .500 team

[daggerkobe]

Jay Williams was considered a bust by many before his accident.

9.5 ppg/4.7 apg is not what they expected from their 2nd overall pick, even for a rookie.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Uhh. Those are actually pretty good numbers for a rookie averaging 26.1 minutes/game.

[daggerkobe]

Uh, no.

He was so bad, he was benched towards the 2nd half of the season, which explains the limited minutes.

These are some of the games he had:

2/11 (FG/FGA), 2/9, 4/15, 4/13, 2/9, 1/7, 1/10, 2/13, 1/9, 0/5, 0/7, 2/8, 4/12, 1/10, 1/8, 0/4, 0/7, 2/7.

B-U-S-T.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Calling someone a bust after their rookie season is about as ignorant as someone can be. There was no denying that he had talent and would certainly get better. He lost his starting job to Jamal Crawford. Ever heard of him? He's one of the most talented players in the league. It is extremely rare that a player has a significant impact on an NBA team as a rookie. I'm not sure what the hell you expect out of rookie PG's but he was certainly not a bust.

[Panic]

Calling someone a bust after their rookie season is about as ignorant as someone can be. There was no denying that he had talent and would certainly get better. He lost his starting job to Jamal Crawford. Ever heard of him? He's one of the most talented players in the league. It is extremely rare that a player has a significant impact on an NBA team as a rookie. I'm not sure what the hell you expect out of rookie PG's but he was certainly not a bust.

Absolutely right, Monkey. I take dagger as a Laker fan so I will put it like this. Andrew Bynum in his real 1st year(because as a rookie he barely played) averaged 22 minutes a game/8 pts/ 6 rebs. Now look...he's a walking double-double who will probably get the max extension from the Lakers. Cant go off a rookie year stats. Hell, Kobe Bryant in his 1st year only averaged 7.5 points in 16 minutes. Kobe didnt start averaging 20+/gm until his 4th year.

[Bill Dozer]

Anyone remember the spread from last year's season totals? It must have been around 50. Shortly after... hell broke loose.

[daggerkobe]

Jamal Crawford?????

The guy who shot 35% FG and avg 4.6ppg in his previous full season with the Bulls and coming off ACL surgery? That is the nuttiest & stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Jay Williams was annointed the next Jordan when he was drafted and handed the starting PG job. Then he sucked so bad ( < 40% FG) he was BENCHED in favor of a cripple.

If that's not the epitome of a BUST, I don't know what is.

There's no argument whether he's a bust or not, he cemented it by doing something stupid and pretty much ending his career. He attempted a comeback but was cut in preseason because he couldn't hack it anymore.

If Derrick Rose has a similar rookie season as Jay, Bulls fans will rip him to shreads. You can count on that.

[daggerkobe]

Were Andrew Bynum and Kobe Bryant STARTERS as rookies? Um, no.

Jay Williams was. He was so bad, he had to be benched in favor of a cripple coming off ACL surgery.

[Panic]

Were Andrew Bynum and Kobe Bryant STARTERS as rookies? Um, no.

Jay Williams was. He was so bad, he had to be benched in favor of a cripple coming off ACL surgery.

Bynum started 53 games that year, pal. Sorry try again.

[daggerkobe]

Wow, you're stupid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2748

05-06 Games 46 GS 0

[Panic]

Wow, you're stupid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2748

05-06 Games 46 GS 0

fagger, you really are a retard. That was the year i said he barely played and really wasnt a rookie year. He average 1 point a game that year, fagger. 1 point. Talk about a bust. Nice job, fagger. 1st year. 0 starts. 1.6 points a game.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Jamal Crawford is a cripple, a rookie is a bust when he starts 54 games in the season, and a PG was supposed to be the next Jordan. I guess I've heard it all now.

[daggerkobe]

So you answer "Was Bynum a starter as a rookie?" with "He started 53 games that year." And I'm the retard?

I can't believe you're dumb enough to compare JW to AB. Jay was HANDED the reigns to the franchise as a rookie. Phil didn't even want to play Bynum. The only reason he became a starter in his 2nd season was because his 1st & 2nd string centers were both out INJURED!!!!!! Otherwise he would've remained on the bench!

And you think Phil's going to run the offense through his 3rd string center that he didn't even want to play?????? What a joke you are!

And who says Bynum is a star????? 13ppg/10reb for 25 starts makes him an all-star I guess...

The fact of the matter is, Jay was the 2nd overall pick and was given EVERY chance to succeed but failed miserably.

Just like how you fail in politics AND sports.