So i guess Mellky Cabrera just proved peds do help your eye sight, boosting your BA

TheMoneyShot · 08-15-12, 09:22 PM

It does everything for you zoo... It's overall coordination... and then once this is establish... your confidence builds as well. Once you're off of them... you're natural testosterone takes over... and you're back to par numbers...

2daBank · 08-15-12, 09:29 PM

obviously if you gain strength you can more than likely increase your bat speed which would allow you to sit back longer and wait for pitches which would make you a better hitter, not to mention just the extra zip you may be putting on balls to help them find holes... juice is good, not sure about coordination helping abilities and if used correctly dont necessarily lose what you have gained after it over as mr moneyshot suggested...

vyomguy · 08-15-12, 09:34 PM

it should help HRs...not so much on average.

This might end up being a good thing for giants....they can now sign him cheap at the end of the season. Guy is a stud regardless.

ryan braun got away so easily....but instant ban for melky...very fair

2daBank · 08-15-12, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by vyomguy

it should help HRs...not so much on average.

This might end up being a good thing for giants....they can now sign him cheap at the end of the season. Guy is a stud regardless.

ryan braun got away so easily....but instant ban for melky...very fair

Braun is the right color apparently

Chi_archie · 08-15-12, 09:41 PM

most important aspect that most people forget is that it helps you recover between games.

spring training + 162 game sched is a GRIND

baseball seems easy, but 5 hrs a day of it and the nagging injuries take their toll and add up.

I play rec baseball and playing 3 games in 4 days after the age of 30 made me realize that.

no i'm not a top conditioned athlete, but I also wasn't playing every day but 1 or 2 a month

big hats off to cal ripken!

2daBank · 08-15-12, 09:42 PM

good point archie...huge in recovery..

ChalkyDog · 08-15-12, 09:44 PM

Always been a fan of Melky - too bad he got popped, and quickly admitted to it.

zoo youk · 08-15-12, 09:45 PM

andy pettite knows all about it helping him recover faster. ever since he got busted he cant stay off the DL

Ryeskernatorr · 08-15-12, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Braun is the right color apparently

Djstucky · 08-15-12, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by ChalkyDog

Always been a fan of Melky - too bad he got popped, and quickly
admitted to it.

I agree...at least he had the balls to admit his mistake rather than act like its some failed test and has never nor ever would resort to using enhancers...

starfire · 08-16-12, 12:06 AM

I got Nos on my Rx-7...
Is that cheating?

Pabinator · 08-16-12, 12:16 AM

Being stronger is a huge huge difference, take a guy who can hit a ball & make him stronger & this is what happens.

I play now & just because i weigh more & am stronger (clean) i notice a big difference at the plate, i could only imagine on the juice

Chi_archie · 08-16-12, 12:20 AM

Chimneyfish · 08-16-12, 12:42 AM

I do think there was a power advantage involved. A lot of his hits were very hard-hit drives that shot quickly through holes. As Kemp put it during the ASG, "Everything he hits is a hit." Plus you have to take into consideration that he played half his games at AT&T Park. It takes Bonds quantities of PED's to be able to consistently get them out of that place.

DoctorPhil · 08-16-12, 02:50 AM

Melky also debunks the fact that steroids make you bigger.

In fact, he lost 20 lbs on the roids.

Who woulda thunk it.

tony_come · 08-16-12, 03:01 AM

Melky so do crossfit

They all do HGH

Mantle7 · 08-16-12, 04:46 AM

Honestly, I don't think it made much of a difference. I mean look @ the guy. He's not super swoll or anything. Baseball is such a finesse sport. I mean these guys are hitting balls that are moving around at 100 mph. Testosterone doesn't help you hit a slider. That's all hand eye coordination. It may have given him a little bit more pop in his bat but not much. It doesn't help your eye sight, and as far as recovery goes it doesn't help that much unless you're trying to build muscle. HGH will heal injuries but not Test. Plus these guys aren't playing football. Dummy should have just went and got a doctor's note and he wouldn't have to deal with this $hit.

Siresco · 08-16-12, 05:10 AM

Why in the world would testosterone help with his eye sight dumb a ss. LOL Baseball requieres TALENT. PEDs are not a miracle cure that can make up for a lack of talent. 99 percent of players who experienced with PEDs were excellent players who prob didnt even need them in the first place to achieve those numbers, maybe just lacked the confidence of felt pressured to come out on top at the point in time they used PEDs..

2daBank · 08-16-12, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Siresco

Why in the world would testosterone help with his eye sight dumb a ss. LOL Baseball requieres TALENT. PEDs are not a miracle cure that can make up for a lack of talent. 99 percent of players who experienced with PEDs were excellent players who prob didnt even need them in the first place to achieve those numbers, maybe just lacked the confidence of felt pressured to come out on top at the point in time they used PEDs..

agree the coordination argument is far fetch to say the least, lol...i do however think there something to strength gains helping bat speed which obviously makes a huge dif if you are able to sit back longer on pitches... id say it had a lot to do with being a contract yr for reason melky went for broke, certainly cant blame him, hell i tried a cycle yrs ago just outta curiosity with absolutely no chance of huge financial gain...

Holtgetsback · 08-16-12, 06:28 AM

love how everyone is so uninformed yet confident on the subject

this shit significantly improves your eyesight as well as bat speed

you don't bat 100 points over your career average in a contract year because you have more confidence

2daBank · 08-16-12, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Holtgetsback

love how everyone is so uninformed yet confident on the subject

this shit significantly improves your eyesight as well as bat speed

you don't bat 100 points over your career average in a contract year because you have more confidence

im rather informed w peds brother, not much hands on (did a cycle years ago, certainly didnt help my alreaady terrible eyesight) but have some friends into that mma shit and they all about the juice, lol

Siresco · 08-16-12, 07:32 AM

But my main point is that PEDs dont make a player who cant hit, hit. All PEDs basically do is make an athlete STRONGER and make an athlete work out LONGER. IT DEFF WOULD NOT MAKE HIS EYE SIGHT ANY BETTER. He still has to have the same protein rich diet and work out just as hard as he did before or even more for the PEDs to have a significant effect.

will2survive · 08-16-12, 08:23 AM

Cabrera had a bearing on the all star game and home field advantage

moses millsap · 08-16-12, 09:17 AM

Insta ban for Melky, no issue for Braun. Still a stupid decision that will likely cost the Giants a playoff spot

Siresco · 08-16-12, 09:23 AM

Giants will still get into the playoffs..

genghis518 · 08-16-12, 09:25 AM

wow. after seeing that video with him and the porn star.. i would have thought he would have failed for pot!

Ez Money 77 · 08-16-12, 09:30 AM

Braun sure didn't drop off any after getting "caught". He is putting up ridiculous numbers once again. Honestly he either was innocent like he says or he is still doing it some how and knows how to hide it.

k13 · 08-16-12, 09:56 AM

He's probably been on something his whole career.
Sports fans are so gullible.

So all those players in the minor leagues taking PED's, how come they are not smashing the ball around and becoming mlb all-stars???

zoo youk · 08-16-12, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by k13

He's probably been on something his whole career.
Sports fans are so gullible.

So all those players in the minor leagues taking PED's, how come they are not smashing the ball around and becoming mlb all-stars???

true

Siresco · 08-16-12, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by k13

He's probably been on something his whole career.
Sports fans are so gullible.

So all those players in the minor leagues taking PED's, how come they are not smashing the ball around and becoming mlb all-stars???

Simple. Because if you suck, you suck. PEDs wont make you an all star if you never had the talent to be an allstar.. Its like the saying, money doesnt change you, it magnifies who you are..

k13 · 08-16-12, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Siresco

Simple. Because if you suck, you suck. PEDs wont make you an all star if you never had the talent to be an allstar.. Its like the saying, money doesnt change you, it magnifies who you are..

Well then....the title of this thread says otherwise.

Like Arnold said...the only side effect of steroids is............GREATNESS.

Siresco · 08-16-12, 10:36 AM

THIS THREAD IS A JOKE.

You had to be a GREAT player already... i can name numerous players who have been on roids and SUCKED. Not every player has the same side affects to roids..

zoo youk · 08-16-12, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Siresco

THIS THREAD IS A JOKE.

You had to be a GREAT player already... i can name numerous players who have been on roids and SUCKED. Not every player has the same side affects to roids..

first of all. Melky always had the tools to be great but he could never get it done. its obvious the PEDS finally made him break out and reach his "potential" thread is far from a joke.

zoo youk · 08-16-12, 11:44 AM

of course there are guys in the minors that are on PEDS but will never get a cup of coffee cause they just dont have enough skill. but there is no doubt about it for guys like Melky who have the tools and high ceiling, it helps bring them over the top if they can't get it done by themselves.