If you don't think the Lakers Win the West, You are Delusional

**upscope** · 12-23-12, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Do you really think Nash is going to help this team defensively?

Do you really think he's not going to help this team offensively?? Or overall for that matter?? You're right they should stick w/ Duhon.

**FindTheLock** · 12-25-12, 07:07 PM

bump... nash makes a difference.

**The Kraken** · 12-25-12, 07:20 PM

If lakers win the West, is Goat Milk an obvious choice for the next round HOF's?

**rm18** · 12-25-12, 08:21 PM

they were the favorite and then OKC traded away Harden but they also are not going anywhere

**BigDofBA** · 12-25-12, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by upscope

Do you really think he's not going to help this team offensively?? Or overall for that matter?? You're right they should stick w/ Duhon.

Did I ever say he wouldn't help defensively?

Obviously the Lakers are better when he is healthy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

With that said, how does he make them better defensively? Do you think this team will win the West? LA will most likely be out in the second round again.

**rm18** · 12-25-12, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Did I ever say he wouldn't help defensively?

Obviously the Lakers are better when he is healthy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

With that said, how does he make them better defensively? Do you think this team will win the West? LA will most likely be out in the second round again.

It is easier to play defense off a make, so they might be a little bit better

**No coincidences** · 12-25-12, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by rm18

It is easier to play defense off a make, so they might be a little bit better

True, but the Lakers' perimeter D will continue to remain a major ?

**FindTheLock** · 12-25-12, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

True, but the Lakers' perimeter D will continue to remain a major ?

The argument about their defense is totally irrelevant as long as they keep winning and scoring triple digits. The suns back in the day never played defense, and the only reason they didn't eliminate the spurs that year was because of the refs.

**FindTheLock** · 12-25-12, 09:39 PM

it won't matter anyway, because no team is going to beat the heat in a 7 game series. All of the teams out of the west are playing for a consolation prize for the next few years In my opinion.

**BigDofBA** · 12-25-12, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

The argument about their defense is totally irrelevant as long as they keep winning and scoring triple digits. The suns back in the day never played defense, and the only reason they didn't eliminate the spurs that year was because of the refs.

The Suns back in the day never won the West.

LA is a .500 team right now. The hype for them is unreal.

I never said LA wound't be improved with Nash but that has nothing to do with their horrible defense and the fact that they're not going to win the conference.

**You mad bro** · 12-25-12, 09:59 PM

Spurs clippers and thunder will all have better records ...

**FindTheLock** · 12-25-12, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

The Suns back in the day never won the West.

LA is a .500 team right now. The hype for them is unreal.

I never said LA wound't be improved with Nash but that has nothing to do with their horrible defense and the fact that they're not going to win the conference.

Did you even read what I wrote. The only reason the suns did not win the west was because of the refs. The refs handed that series to the spurs. It wasn't the first time that has happened to a team either out of the western conference. The kings also got screwed in their series against the lakers.

**FindTheLock** · 12-25-12, 10:01 PM

Tim Donaghy look him up

**upscope** · 12-26-12, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Did I ever say he wouldn't help defensively?

Obviously the Lakers are better when he is healthy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

With that said, how does he make them better defensively? Do you think this team will win the West? LA will most likely be out in the second round again.

You're putting words into people's mouths. All people have said all along was they will be better when Nash is healthy. NOBODY said they would be better defensively w/ Nash. You act as if this entire board claims that they think the lakers will be better defensively w/ Nash. Whoever said that??
Now stop saying "do you really think Nash helps them defensively" cause we all know he doesn't but he helps them overall & that's what matters most.

And stop acting like the lakers sukk cause they are "only" .500. You know just as all the other haters do that they are "only" .500 cause Nash & Gasol have been out. It's obvious you are scared to death of the Lakers otherwise u wouldn't be talking about the .500 team every other post.

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by upscope

You're putting words into people's mouths. All people have said all along was they will be better when Nash is healthy. NOBODY said they would be better defensively w/ Nash. You act as if this entire board claims that they think the lakers will be better defensively w/ Nash. Whoever said that??
Now stop saying "do you really think Nash helps them defensively" cause we all know he doesn't but he helps them overall & that's what matters most.

And stop acting like the lakers sukk cause they are "only" .500. You know just as all the other haters do that they are "only" .500 cause Nash & Gasol have been out. It's obvious you are scared to death of the Lakers otherwise u wouldn't be talking about the .500 team every other post.

The Thunder have beaten LA like 11 out of the last 12. I'm not scared of them.

The person who started this thread pretty much said you're stupid if you think someone other than the Lakers wins the West.

I'm saying the Lakers won't win the West. Do you disagree with me?

**Goat Milk** · 12-26-12, 07:27 PM

You can get almost 3-1 odds on LA winning the West at some books right now. Funny thing is when I win this bet the guys who talked shit will say "Oh, they were one of the favorites. It was an easy call to make. Big deal." If it's so easy-- go triple your money.

Thanks and good day.

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

You can get almost 3-1 odds on LA winning the West at some books right now. Funny thing is when I win this bet the guys who talked shit will say "Oh, they were one of the favorites. It was an easy call to make. Big deal." If it's so easy-- go triple your money.

Thanks and good day.

I'll give you props if they win the West even though everyone was picking them pre-season.

With that said, after they fail again, I'm sure you will dissappear from this thread.

**No coincidences** · 12-26-12, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

The argument about their defense is totally irrelevant as long as they keep winning and scoring triple digits. The suns back in the day never played defense, and the only reason they didn't eliminate the spurs that year was because of the refs.

I'll ask you the same question I asked GM: when is the last time a sub-par defensive team won a title?

**Goat Milk** · 12-26-12, 08:12 PM

Sure Gasol and Nash can't play D. You got two premier perimeter defenders in Bryant and Artest (somewhat). Anyone that doesn't think Bryant is a great defender even at 34 is delusional. You know what you're gonna get on the def. end from those two in the playoffs and you know what you're gonna get with Howard. Lakers won b2b titles with mediocre defensive players and just a good team concept. This team has both individuals perim. defenders and a team defender which Bryant has never had before.

What did I tell you before the season. Defense doesn't matter much when you're scoring 110 points a game in the playoffs. Who's gonna score more than that besides Miami. No one. LA offensive will be unstoppable when they gel. Every guy on the court can create their own shot. No other team has that in the starting 5. Not even Miami.

Do you know what it means to have the ability 1-5 to create your own shot? Think about that tonight and think about what that'll mean in the playoffs when buckets are even harder to come by in half-court sets.

Thanks again.

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Sure Gasol and Nash can't play D. You got two premier perimeter defenders in Bryant and Artest (somewhat). Anyone that doesn't think Bryant is a great defender even at 34 is delusional. You know what you're gonna get on the def. end from those two in the playoffs and you know what you're gonna get with Howard. Lakers won b2b titles with mediocre defensive players and just a good team concept. This team has both individuals perim. defenders and a team defender which Bryant has never had before.

What did I tell you before the season. Defense doesn't matter much when you're scoring 110 points a game in the playoffs. Who's gonna score more than that besides Miami. No one. LA offensive will be unstoppable when they gel. Every guy on the court can create their own shot. No other team has that in the starting 5. Not even Miami.

Do you know what it means to have the ability 1-5 to create your own shot? Think about that tonight and think about what that'll mean in the playoffs when buckets are even harder to come by in half-court sets.

Thanks again.

The Lakers had Kobe and Artest last year. How far did that perimeter defense get them? Howard is only a slight upgrade over Bynum.

OKC has pretty much run the Lakers out of the gym almost everytime they have played them the last two seasons. Do you really think LA can keep up with OKC? They had trouble two years ago and couldn't do it last year.

I don't even think OKC will win the West but I'll take them against LA all day. OKC had like 70 at the half against the Lakers. LA has a weak bench, they can't keep up for four quarters.

I also love how you thank yourself after each post and think you know so much. LOL.

If I'm wrong I'll come back and give you props but I won't be. LA won't win the West and you're going to look really foolish.

As an OKC fan, I could see us loosing to Memphis, the Clippers, or the Spurs. The West is tough.

**Goat Milk** · 12-26-12, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

The Lakers had Kobe and Artest last year. How far did that perimeter defense get them? Howard is only a slight upgrade over Bynum.

OKC has pretty much run the Lakers out of the gym almost everytime they have played them the last two seasons. Do you really think LA can keep up with OKC? They had trouble two years ago and couldn't do it last year.

I don't even think OKC will win the West but I'll take them against LA all day. OKC had like 70 at the half against he Lakers. LA has a weak bench, they can't keep up for four quarters. Howard is a bitch too.

I also love how you thank yourself after each post and think you know so much. LOL.

If I'm wrong I'll come back and give you props but I won't be. LA won't win the West and you're going to look really foolish.

One of the best defensive centers in nba history that's currently in his prime is only a slight upgrade of Bynum? I don't think I know so much, everyone on SBR knows that I know the most here about the NBA and that's why you all read my posts.

Thanks for playing, and good night.

Salud and merry christmas and a happy new year

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

One of the best defensive centers in nba history that's currently in his prime is only a slight upgrade of Bynum? I don't think I know so much, everyone on SBR knows that I know the most here about the NBA and that's why you all read my posts.

Thanks for playing, and good night.

Salud and merry christmas and a happy new year

You're overrating Howard. The guy is a head case and baby. Not that Bynum wasn't, I'm just not as high on Howard as everyone else is.

Do you feel good about coming on the internet and telling everyone how much you know? Does it raise your self-esteem? LOL.

Dude, I'm done arguing with you.

**dlunc3** · 12-26-12, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

The Lakers had Kobe and Artest last year. How far did that perimeter defense get them? Howard is only a slight upgrade over Bynum.

OKC has pretty much run the Lakers out of the gym almost everytime they have played them the last two seasons. Do you really think LA can keep up with OKC? They had trouble two years ago and couldn't do it last year.

I don't even think OKC will win the West but I'll take them against LA all day. OKC had like 70 at the half against the Lakers. LA has a weak bench, they can't keep up for four quarters.

I also love how you thank yourself after each post and think you know so much. LOL.

If I'm wrong I'll come back and give you props but I won't be. LA won't win the West and you're going to look really foolish.

As an OKC fan, I could see us loosing to Memphis, the Clippers, or the Spurs. The West is tough.

I have no horse in this race, but just an observation..

Didn't the Lakers have the lead with less then two minutes left in 3 out of the 5 conference finals games vs OKC last year? That tells me the series was a lot closer then it seems. Since then, the Thunder have lost an all star, while the Lakers have upgraded their all star center while also filling their biggest weakness by bringing in an all star pg.

Anyway, just some thoughts..

**FindTheLock** · 12-26-12, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

I'll ask you the same question I asked GM: when is the last time a sub-par defensive team won a title?

It doesn't matter, because I don't think the lakers will win a title, nor did I ever say that they would.

**Ratzz** · 12-26-12, 10:15 PM

no way Lakers win the West... they were very lucky to beat Golden State..
and this is just two wins with*Nash in...

wait until the grind wears him down... watch him start to foul out..
i do not care how high his basketball IQ is..

you have to be able to run with the kids.. and they can't do that..
when Nash plays 50 games.. he will not be perky and fast like a Westbrook,
or fresh in the 4th Qtr.. like CHris Paul..

there is zero chance they make it out of the West. Zero.

**You mad bro** · 12-26-12, 11:23 PM

Lol lakers lose by 20 tonight hahaha

**You mad bro** · 12-26-12, 11:28 PM

HAHHAHAAHHAHA BURRRRRIALLLL THHREADDDD

Lakers got rapeddddd like kobe raped tht girl back in the day

**thetrinity** · 12-26-12, 11:29 PM

everyone knew la was gona lose this game tonight.

obviously they are better with nash and gasol, still arent as good as the wests elite teams though.

team will probably be 16-15 playing the clippers next friday

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 11:30 PM

Like I've been saying since the beginning of the season, how in the F*ck does Nash help the Lakers defense?

LMAO.

They just gave up 126 to a Nuggets team that hasn't even been playing good basketball. This thread is an epic fail and the OP is so blind and arrogant that he can't even see it.

Denver is a fringe playoff team. They aren't even an elite Western conference team.

**You mad bro** · 12-26-12, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Like I've been saying since the beginning of the season, how in the F*ck does Nash help the Lakers defense?

LMAO.

They just gave up 126 to a Nuggets team that hasn't even been playing good basketball. This thread is an epic fail and the OP is so blind and arrogant that he can't even see it.

Denver is a fringe playoff team. They aren't even an elite Western conference team.

He actually thinks they are better than okc .. I said it okc isnt the same as last year but even now they are still better

**FindTheLock** · 12-26-12, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Like I've been saying since the beginning of the season, how in the F*ck does Nash help the Lakers defense?

LMAO.

They just gave up 126 to a Nuggets team that hasn't even been playing good basketball. This thread is an epic fail and the OP is so blind and arrogant that he can't even see it.

Denver is a fringe playoff team. They aren't even an elite Western conference team.

howard was ejected from the game. If you're going to be critical at least be fair in your criticism. The lakers still haven't lost with all of their key players in the game for it's entirety.

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

howard was ejected from the game. If you're going to be critical at least be fair in your criticism. The lakers still haven't lost with all of their key players in the game for it's entirety.

Please. When Howard was ejected, the Nuggets already had 80 points with half of the third quarter left.

Howard would be a mediocre Center in the 90s. He's lucky he is playing in this watered down era for big men.

Again, how does Nash help this team's defense? You're not going to win a title when you're giving up 120 every night.

The Lakers will probably get in as a 5 seed. If they don't go out in the first round, they'll go out in the second. They'll probably struggle in a long 7 game series in round 1 much like they did last year.

**PAULYPOKER** · 12-26-12, 11:45 PM

The west is loaded with Elite teams this year while the East has only 2....

With that said, the Lakers will be lucky to make playoffs.............

I can name 6 teams that would pummel the Lakeshow in a series,

Clips,OKC,SanAn,Mem,GSW,Hou............. .....

**BigDofBA** · 12-26-12, 11:47 PM

The top 4 in the West are as follows:

1. San Antonio
2. Clippers
3. OKC
4. Memphis

After that who knows. You have Houston, Golden State, Denver, and even Dallas bc they're getting Dirk back. Tell me, where does LA fit in there?

Who would feel comfortable putting serious money on LA in any series against the teams I just mentioned?

**FindTheLock** · 12-26-12, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Please. When Howard was ejected, the Nuggets already had 80 points with half of the third quarter left.

Howard would be a mediocre Center in the 90s. He's lucky he is playing in this watered down era for big men.

Again, how does Nash help this team's defense? You're not going to win a title when you're giving up 120 every night.

The Lakers will probably get in as a 5 seed. If they don't go out in the first round, they'll go out in the second. They'll probably struggle in a long 7 game series in round 1 much like they did last year.

what is your obsession with asking me to show evidence for nash supporting the defense? You're just hating without thinking. I hate the lakers too, but I am not going to write them off after a game when they were down 6 prior to losing their only defender. Then they go ont o lose by 20 or whatever the final ended up being. You are obsessed with this defense talk. I never said anything about the fuking defense, so quit bringing it up lol