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  • frogsrangers
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    • 04-25-12
    • 5792

    #1
    TOTALCON Mark II - MLB Total Calculator
    With new changes in TOTALCON comes a new thread.

    Whereas TOTALCON Mark I simply existed to pick sides of a total, TOTALCON Mark II does things a bit differently. Instead, it searches for not only a side to pick but looking for the value as well. It is more mathematically sound.

    TOTALCON Mark II has 3 parts to it.

    First, the crude total which existed in TOTALCON Mark I makes its return. It uses simple sabermetrics to calculate a raw total and prices for a game. Think of this as a starting point.

    Second, the D-factors. These are what I call deviations. There are 3 D-Factors. These are used to help "cap" the raw total and move it accordingly. A negative D factor means its more under friendly and should move the total/prices downward. A positive D factor means its more over friendly and should move the total upward.

    D1 is the sabermetric factor. It is the D-Factor that contains sabermetric statistics such as adjusted opponents batting average, adjusted average vs. the starting pitchers hand, starting pitcher career average vs. opponent's batters, and adjusted location batting average(road/home). I consider this one the most important of the 3 D-Factors, but not so important that you should ignore the other two.

    D2 is the, for lack of a better term, "what have you done lately" factor. These are non-adjusted raw stats that contain stats such as bullpen innings pitched in the last 3 games, average with runners in scoring position for the last 5 games, and batting average in the last week. If you are looking for stats that show how a team has fared lately, this is the factor for that.

    D3 is the situation factor. This is where umpires, weather, park factor, and the other non statistical factors come into play. This factor is usually going to be close to 0, but if its not, that means there are some key situational factors to consider.

    The 3rd part to TOTALCON Mark II is the "Capped Line". This is what I determine, based on the crude total, d-factors, and my own capping, that the fair line should be. Feel free to create your own Capped Line though. The Actual Line is what the actual Vegas line is(I use Cantor Lines), but feel free to insert your own actual line here as they vary.

    This is day 1 of TOTALCON Mark II, but if I had to make plays based on these, I would make plays on the totals where the capped line has a run of value or more. I.e. if the actual line is 7.5, but the capped line is 8.5, that is a run of value so I would play the over. Likewise, if the actual line is 8.5 and the capped line is 7.5, that is a run of value and I would play the under. But its early, so this is just what I am thinking right now.

    This isn't meant to pick sides, but show value, which I believe in the long run if you can consistently beat the posted line with my capped fair lines it would show a profit over the long run.
  • frogsrangers
    Restricted User
    • 04-25-12
    • 5792

    #2
    Today's Output:

    ATL/PHI
    -------
    Crude Total: 8.5 -105o/-115u
    D1: +0.170
    D2: -2.106
    D3: -0.882
    Capped Line: 8.0 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u


    MIA/NYM
    -------
    Crude Total: 5.5 -110o/-110u
    D1: -1.050
    D2: -2.736
    D3: -0.231
    Capped Line: 5.5 +100o/-120u
    Actual Line: 7.5 -115o/-105u


    ARI/PIT
    -------
    Crude Total: 6.0 -115o/-105u
    D1: -1.890
    D2: -7.063
    D3: -1.239
    Capped Line: 5.5 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 7.5 -110o/-110u


    WAS/HOU
    -------
    Crude Total: 8.5 +105o/-125u
    D1: +1.620
    D2: -1.595
    D3: +0.440
    Capped Line: 8.5 -115o/-105u
    Actual Line: 8.5 -120o/+100u


    SF/STL
    ------
    Crude Total: 9.0 -110o/-110u
    D1: +0.200
    D2: +0.843
    D3: -3.000
    Capped Line: 8.5 -115o/-105u
    Actual Line: 9.0 -110o/-110u
    Note: Umpire is 0-6 under lifetime


    CIN/MIL
    -------
    Crude Total: 6.5 +105o/-125u
    D1: +0.610
    D2: -1.066
    D3: +0.913
    Capped Line: 7.0 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u


    COL/LAD
    -------
    Crude Total: 8.5 -110o/-110u
    D1: +0.480
    D2: +1.349
    D3: +1.350
    Capped Line: 9.0 -120o/+100u
    Actual Line: 7.5 -110o/-110u


    CHC/SD
    ------
    OFF


    SEA/BAL
    -------
    Crude Total: 12.5 +105o/-125u
    D1: -1.420
    D2: -4.090
    D3: -1.337
    Capped Line: 10.0 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 9.5 +100o/-120u


    NYY/DET
    -------
    Crude Total: 9.0 -120o/+100u
    D1: +2.220
    D2: +1.296
    D3: +0.033
    Capped Line: 9.5 -120o/+100u
    Actual Line: 9.5 -110o/-110u


    TEX/BOS
    -------
    Crude Total: 8.5 -115o/-115u
    D1: +2.100
    D2: -0.690
    D3: +0.393
    Capped Line: 9.0 -120o/+100u
    Actual Line: 9.5 -115o/-105u


    TOR/TAM
    -------
    Crude Total: 8.5 -120o/+100u
    D1: +1.510
    D2: +1.540
    D3: -0.149
    Capped Line: 9.0 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 7.5 -125o/+105u


    MIN/CLE
    -------
    OFF


    KC/CHW
    ------
    Crude Total: 9.5 -115o/-105u
    D1: +0.850
    D2: -1.640
    D3: +1.391
    Capped Line: 9.5 -125o/+105u
    Actual Line: 9.0 -110o/-110u


    LAA/OAK
    -------
    Crude Total: 7.0 -115o/-105u
    D1: -1.250
    D2: -0.733
    D3: -1.194
    Capped Line: 6.5 -110o/-110u
    Actual Line: 7.0 -105o/-115u
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    • frogsrangers
      Restricted User
      • 04-25-12
      • 5792

      #3
      The reason I have CHC/SD and MIN/CLE listed as OFF is because I don't like making outputs based on pitchers with really small sample sizes. I like for pitchers to have at least 20 innings under their belts before using them.

      If I were to make plays based on today's output, it would be:

      MIA/NYM U 7.5
      ARI/PIT U 7.5
      COL/LAD O 7.5
      TOR/TAM O 7.5
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      • Conley1914
        SBR Rookie
        • 06-24-11
        • 45

        #4
        Ok I am new to the system what would bet on
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        • CHR1S
          SBR High Roller
          • 05-20-12
          • 106

          #5
          Have been on your former model since the beginning. Will just watch the games today, and the next couple of days to get a reading on the new model. Good luck
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          • mdfizzle
            SBR Sharp
            • 10-19-10
            • 392

            #6
            Capping and creating a model should be mutually exclusive.
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            • pattymayo
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-19-09
              • 10221

              #7
              Seems like a shit ton of work for what is essentially a coinflip. Good luck pal
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              • shopbar picks
                SBR MVP
                • 12-08-10
                • 2157

                #8
                Have been following, thanx for posting
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                • mikmik
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 05-13-12
                  • 5457

                  #9
                  Thanx froggers.
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                  • thechaoz
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-23-09
                    • 12154

                    #10
                    Good luck ...new to your system ..so is the gap between capped and actual line a stronger play ...how do we know which ones to play?
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                    • fitguy67
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 03-13-11
                      • 5082

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pattymayo
                      Seems like a shit ton of work for what is essentially a coinflip. Good luck pal
                      An Accurate Assessment. All models/systems/techniques/"rules of thumbs"/"approaches to weighing various factors" etc. however qualitative or quantitive in nature...are trying to do is to create a slightly-positively weighted coin.

                      For -110 bets, the common goal of hitting 54% of your bets (which you wouldn't criticize anyone for aspiring to) is absolutely identical to trying to find/create/recognize a coinflip protocol that hits one side at least 51.5% of the time...both, IF sustainable, would give a well-worth-the-effort 3%+ edge over the haul.

                      Many skilled sports-bettors do hit 54%+ consistently over many football and basketball seasons of point-spread betting...indicating that they have in fact managed to engineer their own 51.5%+ weighted coin.

                      There are many many ways that such skilled bettors have forged and continue to modify the coin that works for them...and, quite frankly, almost all would fail theoretical scrutiny from sbr's think tank and think tank wannabes...yet they work over the haul for their owners. Random walk theory says it's impossible for mutual-funds to coninually outperform averages...but some do, consistently.

                      So don't dis the flip...and the search for it.
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                      • silvap
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 06-01-12
                        • 685

                        #12
                        best of luck with the system sir
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                        • frogsrangers
                          Restricted User
                          • 04-25-12
                          • 5792

                          #13
                          Sorry I didn't update this for the morning games today... but I work until 1:30am and I am on the west coast, so I am not going to wake up at 8:00am to get these results ready for the day games. I guess I am going to have to start updating this overnight for the early games.

                          Anyway, tracking yesterday's results:

                          If one were to play every single game on the board: 6-7 (Unders 5-3 Overs 1-4)
                          If one were to play every single game that had a difference of half a run or more: 5-6 (Unders 4-2 Overs 1-4)
                          If one were to play every single game that had a difference of a run or more: 2-3 (Unders 2-1 Overs 0-2)

                          Today's output coming in about half an hour
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                          • The Kraken
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 12-25-11
                            • 28918

                            #14
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                            • frogsrangers
                              Restricted User
                              • 04-25-12
                              • 5792

                              #15
                              MIN/CLE
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 7.0 -115o/-105u
                              D1: +0.410
                              D2: +1.363
                              D3: +0.425
                              Capped Line: 8.0 -110o/-110u
                              Actual Line: 9.0 +100o/-120u


                              TEX/BOS
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 8.0 +105o/-125u
                              D1: +0.460
                              D2: -0.803
                              D3: +0.979
                              Capped Line: 8.5 -105o/-115u
                              Actual Line: 9.5 +100o/-120u


                              CIN/MIL
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 9.5 -110o/-110u
                              D1: +1.300
                              D2: -3.283
                              D3: +0.358
                              Capped Line: 9.0 +100o/-120u
                              Actual Line: 8.5 -120o/+100u


                              LAA/OAK
                              -------
                              OFF


                              CHC/SD
                              ------
                              Crude Total: 6.5 -125o/+105u
                              D1: +0.030
                              D2: -1.003
                              D3: -0.223
                              Capped Line: 6.5 -110o/-110u
                              Actual Line: 7.0 +105o/-125u


                              ARI/PIT
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 6.5 +100o/-120u
                              D1: +0.770
                              D2: -3.466
                              D3: -0.302
                              Capped Line: 6.0 +100o/-120u
                              Actual Line: 8.0 -110o/-110u


                              ATL/PHI
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 7.5 +100o/-120u
                              D1: -0.380
                              D2: -2.227
                              D3: -1.156
                              Capped Line: 7.0 +105o/-125u
                              Actual Line: 8.5 -110o/-110u


                              MIA/NYM
                              -------
                              AUTO OVER


                              SEA/BAL
                              -------
                              OFF


                              NYY/DET
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 9.5 -110o/-110u
                              D1: +2.350
                              D2: +2.070
                              D3: -0.967
                              Capped Line: 10.5 -110o/-110u
                              Actual Line: 8.5 -105o/-115u


                              TOR/TAM
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 7.0 -110o/-110u
                              D1: +1.260
                              D2: -2.140
                              D3: -0.149
                              Capped Line: 7.0 +105o/-125u
                              Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u


                              WAS/HOU
                              -------
                              OFF


                              SF/STL
                              ------
                              Crude Total: 8.5 +105o/-125u
                              D1: +2.970
                              D2: +1.503
                              D3: 0.000
                              Capped Line: 9.0 -110o/-110u
                              Actual Line: 8.5 -110o/-110u


                              KAN/CHW
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 7.5 -110o/-110u
                              D1: +3.750
                              D2: -2.346
                              D3: -1.885
                              Capped Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u
                              Actual Line: 9.5 +100o/-120u


                              COL/LAD
                              -------
                              Crude Total: 7.0 -125o/+105u
                              D1: +3.410
                              D2: +0.296
                              D3: +0.388
                              Capped Line: 8.0 -110o/-110u
                              Actual Line: 7.0 -120o/+100u
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                              • frogsrangers
                                Restricted User
                                • 04-25-12
                                • 5792

                                #16
                                If I were to make plays on these results, they would be:

                                MIN/CLE U
                                TEX/BOS U
                                ARI/PIT U
                                ATL/PHI U
                                KAN/CHW U
                                MIA/NYM O
                                NYY/DET O
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                                • mathdotcom
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 03-24-08
                                  • 11689

                                  #17
                                  Did you ever consider that maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking that the actual posted totals are off by as many as 1.5 runs?

                                  You're still using your first model which I pointed out before is seriously flawed as you have zero theory behind it and make no attempt to check which variables are statistically significant.

                                  If all I did was look at starting pitcher ERAs I could probably come up with totals closer to the market line than your model.

                                  Sorry pal but I sure hope you're not betting this
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                                  • igrok
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 04-06-12
                                    • 156

                                    #18
                                    Good Luck!
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                                    • frogsrangers
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 04-25-12
                                      • 5792

                                      #19
                                      Today's Stats:

                                      If you played every total, you would have gone 8-4 (Unders 5-3, Overs 3-1)
                                      If you played every capped total of a run difference of the actual line or more, you would have gone 4-3 (2-3 unders, 2-0 overs)

                                      Life to Date Stats:

                                      Every total: 14-11 (10-6 unders, 4-5 overs) 56%
                                      One run+ difference: 6-6 (4-4 unders, 2-2 overs) 50%

                                      Gonna try to do the early game totals for tomorrow, tonight
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                                      • phillybadboy
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 12-11-09
                                        • 9383

                                        #20
                                        take tex bos over the total gl
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                                        • accuscoresucks
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 11-03-07
                                          • 7160

                                          #21
                                          some fine work with this calculator sim FROGGER
                                          keep up the great work
                                          if we dont strive to move forward,and learn why each mistake is made? whats the point
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                                          • frogsrangers
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 04-25-12
                                            • 5792

                                            #22
                                            No numbers for early games tonight, just don't like outputting numbers with an incomplete stat set. Ruins the integrity of the system.

                                            But I automated the entire process to run overnight so they will be ready as soon as I wake up tomorrow, and then I will post numbers for the early games.
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                                            • frogsrangers
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 04-25-12
                                              • 5792

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by accuscoresucks
                                              some fine work with this calculator sim FROGGER
                                              keep up the great work
                                              if we dont strive to move forward,and learn why each mistake is made? whats the point

                                              I agree

                                              I think someone else named the analogy earlier, just trying to make a weighted coin, that hits 53-55% of the time

                                              Not trying to make something that hits 100% of the time that's unrealistic
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                                              • Extra Innings
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 02-26-10
                                                • 15058

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                                Did you ever consider that maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking that the actual posted totals are off by as many as 1.5 runs?
                                                Something to think about Frogger, Vegas has the sharpest and brightest setting these lines...they have models which go 10x's more in depth than what you are presenting yet your finding they're sometimes 15 to 20% off true value?
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                                                • frogsrangers
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 04-25-12
                                                  • 5792

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                  Something to think about Frogger, Vegas has the sharpest and brightest setting these lines...they have models which go 10x's more in depth than what you are presenting yet your finding they're sometimes 15 to 20% off true value?
                                                  You are right about them having teams of mathemeticians and programmers better than me, but at the same time their lines are not really made to predict a result but to split the action. So my lines are more about getting on the right side of their splitting attempts. Also Vegas likes to create "trap" lines, to trap a lot of betters into betting a side that the better thinks is a great bargain but in the back of Vegas's mind they know its a trap. Also known as the "too good to be true" effect. You could say my model also tries to sniff out those traps.
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                                                  • Extra Innings
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 02-26-10
                                                    • 15058

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by frogsrangers
                                                    You are right about them having teams of mathemeticians and programmers better than me, but at the same time their lines are not really made to predict a result but to split the action. So my lines are more about getting on the right side of their splitting attempts. Also Vegas likes to create "trap" lines, to trap a lot of betters into betting a side that the better thinks is a great bargain but in the back of Vegas's mind they know its a trap. Also known as the "too good to be true" effect. You could say my model also tries to sniff out those traps.
                                                    Fair enough though I don't believe in traps. I appreciate you responding to the question. Best of luck moving forward.
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                                                    • CHR1S
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 05-20-12
                                                      • 106

                                                      #27
                                                      Solid day today. Overs are starting to hit now
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                                                      • EXhoosier10
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 07-06-09
                                                        • 3122

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                        Something to think about Frogger, Vegas has the sharpest and brightest setting these lines...they have models which go 10x's more in depth than what you are presenting yet your finding they're sometimes 15 to 20% off true value?
                                                        Based on your SBR Pro status, I'm assuming you actually bet. The lines you bet are set by Vegas. If there is not > 5% value on bets (to account for vig), you're eventually going to waste away paying juice. What exactly do you base your betting decisions on if you don't perceive excess value?
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                                                        • frogsrangers
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 04-25-12
                                                          • 5792

                                                          #29
                                                          Early lines... sorry they are out so late, but I was tired as heck and just woke up. But grab the SF/STL over 7.5 if you haven't already.

                                                          MIA @ NYM
                                                          ---------
                                                          Crude Total: 7.0 -115o/-105u
                                                          D1: -1.220
                                                          D2: +0.270
                                                          D3: -0.231
                                                          Capped Line: 7.0 +100o/-120u
                                                          Actual Line: 6.5 -115o/-105u


                                                          NYY @ DET
                                                          ---------
                                                          Crude Total: 8.0 -125o/+105u
                                                          D1: +1.38
                                                          D2+ +2.87
                                                          D3: -0.967
                                                          Capped Line: 8.5 -115o/-105u
                                                          Actual Line: 9.0 -105o/-115u


                                                          TOR @ TB
                                                          --------
                                                          Crude Total: 7.0 +105o/-125u
                                                          D1: -1.300
                                                          D2: -3.876
                                                          D3: -0.149
                                                          Capped Line: 6.0 +105o/-125u
                                                          Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u


                                                          SF @ STL
                                                          --------
                                                          Crude Total: 10.0 -115o/-105u
                                                          D1: +2.070
                                                          D2: +0.653
                                                          D3: +1.000
                                                          Capped Line: 11.0 +105o/-125u
                                                          Actual Line: 7.5 -110o/-110u
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                                                          • frogsrangers
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 04-25-12
                                                            • 5792

                                                            #30
                                                            ARI @ PIT
                                                            ---------
                                                            Crude Total: 6.0 -110o/-110u
                                                            D1: -0.830
                                                            D2: -0.700
                                                            D3: +0.102
                                                            Capped Line: 5.5 -110o/-110u
                                                            Actual Line: 8.0 -110o/-110u


                                                            BOS @ CLE
                                                            ---------
                                                            Crude Total: 7.0 -105o/-115u
                                                            D1: -2.670
                                                            D2: +0.976
                                                            D3: -1.125
                                                            Capped Line: 6.5 -120o/+100u
                                                            Actual Line: 9.0 -115o/-105u


                                                            KC @ BAL
                                                            --------
                                                            Crude Total: 7.0 -120o/+100u
                                                            D1: +0.270
                                                            D2: -0.183
                                                            D3: +1.141
                                                            Capped Line: 7.5 -110o/-110u
                                                            Actual Line: 8.5 -110o/-110u


                                                            CIN @ CHC
                                                            ---------
                                                            Crude Total: 9.0 +105o/-125u
                                                            D1: +3.120
                                                            D2: -3.793
                                                            D3: -1.576
                                                            Capped Line: 8.5 -105o/-115u
                                                            Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u


                                                            WAS @ HOU
                                                            ---------
                                                            Crude Total: 5.5 -125o/+105u
                                                            D1: -3.150
                                                            D2: +0.730
                                                            D3: -0.060
                                                            Capped Line: 5.0 -125o/+105u
                                                            Actual Line: 7.5 +100o/-120u
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                                                            • flyboy
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 02-10-12
                                                              • 748

                                                              #31
                                                              Good luck with this hope it does everyone well.
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                                                              • frogsrangers
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 04-25-12
                                                                • 5792

                                                                #32
                                                                My plays today:

                                                                ARI/PIT Under
                                                                KC/BAL Under
                                                                BOS/CLE Under
                                                                WAS/HOU Under
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                                                                • thechaoz
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 10-23-09
                                                                  • 12154

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Best of luck today frog
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                                                                  • phillybadboy
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 12-11-09
                                                                    • 9383

                                                                    #34
                                                                    here take tb rays for 10 dimes gl
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                                                                    • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 08-31-11
                                                                      • 12722

                                                                      #35
                                                                      frogger, I'm curious what you meant when you said all of the signs in STL/SFG point towards over? What signs did you mean exactly?
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