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  • TK
    SBR Rookie
    • 12-05-09
    • 45

    #1
    1vice situation - opinions welcome
    My intention is not to publicly slam 1vice, but instead to describe my situation, to update everyone on how this is handled, and to oblige "Griffin", who has encouraged me to go to the "forum". I welcome your opinions and you can of course draw you own conclusions.

    This is a summary of what has happened (Griffin is of course free to dispute, but I do have most of this documented)

    I was begged to come over to this book by an aggressive customer service representative - I was with him at one of his former books where I lost quite a bit of money. He told me how great it was over here and how they would take special care of me. This was obviously my decision to come over.

    At the time, I played a few NBA playoff games, then when the season was over stopped playing for a while. This individual then contacted me again and asked why I have not been playing and "suggested" I try playing some more. I told him I wanted to wait for football, but he "encouraged" me to bet some baseball....

    At this point, with a little over $1K in the account, I decided to go all or nothing. I started to bet baseball games every night and got on a hot streak, bringing my balance up to around $5K. This was by betting and putting at risk my entire balance, every single night (about $20K in total action). Betting thousands a night - its known as volatility.

    On Monday, I sign onto my account, expecting to see my $5K balance and instead see a big ZERO. WTF!

    I contact 1Vice and am told (by Griffin) that they decided to send me on my way. I said, fine, but you could have at least sent me a note or indicated such rather than by me coming on here and almost having a heart attack. I am told don't worry we fully intend to pay you (this is on Monday) and to contact my account rep for details. I tell him I am not pleased but "fair enough", I will take you at your word.

    I then call the account rep and he apologizes and basically says that this is a decision that he has no control over. He tells me he can pay me right away, and I can either get a check sent for the entire amount or I can get $900 today (I will not mention method). He says he will mail a check for the full amount today, then provide a tracking number. I am told I will have my entire funds in my hands very soon. Here is my email and the response:


    my email: I thought about this more and I am not very happy with the situation and treatment. All if fine until you actually win something. I need to get my money ASAP. How long will a full check take to get here?"

    answer: "A check will take from 4-5 bizz days for you to get it"

    There are several back and forth emails where I am promised the tracking number. I can provide all emails.

    So, it is now the end of the week (3-4 biz days have passed) - no tracking number, no funds.

    Finally, I get back in touch with Griffin and he starts to get an attitude and instead of helping me, turns it against me (you know the one - you are being rude,be patient, you are aggressive, don't threaten us, if you are not nice you will not get your funds, etc). Well at this point I am more than upset. My Griffin and his book obviously never sent me anything. And he decides to take it out on me. I do tell him that perhaps I should post my experience on the forums as this situation does not seem right to me and I also would like to get a documented history of how things progress as they keep basically lying to me. Griffin tells me that yes, I should go to the forum and post, so this is what I am doing.

    I am not happy with the treatment, but he can run his book however he wants.If they want to be babies about winners, so be it. I find it very disturbing that they can just zero out someone's account without explanation. And I also find it upsetting that not only do they promise to do something and then don't come through, but instead of trying to help, continue to make excuses then somehow find a way to insult me by accusing me of being rude or making embarrassing threats.

    Mr Griffin, please sir, will you pay me my money as promised? How is that?


    Again, I just want to be paid my funds as promised ("A check will take from 4-5 bizz days for you to get it").I am posting this after several attempts and finally the encouragement from Griffin, and as a means of providing a bit of transparency to this process. I will continue to post and will advise on how things turn out.

    Opinions are welcome.


    Best of luck everyone!!
  • Footballtime
    SBR MVP
    • 01-20-10
    • 3229

    #2
    TK, sorry to hear about your experience...........Most of these guys roll from bad book to bad book while they try to bring customers over and promise them the world. My advice is this place likes only losing players, and when you do win, they will show you the door and try to slow pay you...I usually dont play at books that continually offer huge bonuses, because in the long run 1 of these bonuses will catch up to them and hurt them huge financially. Good luck getting paid, although i have seen a couple positive notes on this book in the past.
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    • BigDeem5
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-26-11
      • 17191

      #3
      Book seems sketchy, jj check in.
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      • RyanLeafOfBets
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-03-10
        • 8164

        #4
        Unreal. Definitely a shady book. They wouldn't raise my wager limit above 250.
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        • dolson
          SBR Sharp
          • 01-10-12
          • 478

          #5
          1vice

          Its about that time, "Gummybears" should be replying to this post
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          • ethandavis2
            SBR Sharp
            • 12-24-08
            • 307

            #6
            you win and ur out at 1vice
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            • BigDaddy
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-01-06
              • 8378

              #7
              so you dont have your check after only 3 business days?

              do you know how long it takes Bookmaker.eu to send a check?

              i would say if you don't have your funds by the end of next week you would have a right to complain.

              but right now it's a little premature IMO

              nothing wrong with them not wanting your action.
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              • Cuse4tw
                SBR MVP
                • 03-16-10
                • 2895

                #8
                Hated this book, I gave them a shot recently and went on a nice run, I was allowed to bet big on a few soccer games then hit and was told they reserve the right to limit action on certain games. One rep told me soccer had a 100 dollar limit and the other rep put in a 300 bet for me. I was iimmediately limited on certain sports and Olympic action after winning a few nice sized bets.

                The place has terrible lines and doesn't have set rules and limits, I felt like I was getting jerked around on what was actually allowed. Leaf I agree I tried to get my baseball limit up and was ASAP rejected.

                This place is the definition of a bubble gum book, don't waste your time, yeah they have a good bonus system, but with such limits and terrible lines you can easily find a better book. No reason a book should have small limits unless it's shady.
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                • mynameismud
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-13-12
                  • 5461

                  #9
                  sounds like total shit customer service. keep hounding him til you get that check in hand. gl getting paid.
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                  • mrpooh
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 01-12-11
                    • 558

                    #10
                    1vice is not good. too many stories of dumping players, aftering just a small amount of winning
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                    • Smoke
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 10-09-09
                      • 48111

                      #11
                      Just chalk it up as a loss and move on
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                      • Bcatswin
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-21-10
                        • 13931

                        #12
                        Solid book.
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                        • ProfaneReality
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 04-14-09
                          • 7607

                          #13
                          If they quoted you 4 to 5 business days to receive the check, surely they should be able to provide the tracking number by now, today is the 4th business day

                          I looked into 1vice after seeing a bunch of positive reviews, but when I noticed it was just a clone of Easy Street, with the same guys behind it, I decided against it.

                          Good luck
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                          • darkhat
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 08-18-10
                            • 5722

                            #14
                            1vice is a bad book period. These guys have gone from running shitty book to shitty book.
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                            • dolson
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 01-10-12
                              • 478

                              #15
                              Opinions are welcome yes, players are butchering this book right now, but one question , seriously, has anyone
                              not been paid by Zack/Robbie in the last 4 yrs? This guy will get his money.
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                              • raydog
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-07-07
                                • 6984

                                #16
                                big daddy and dolson...the fact that they refuse/cant produce a tracking # for this screams of bubblegum whoreshit...its a garbage move and means the havent mailed shit to the guy yet...seriously, you know this
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                                • dolson
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 01-10-12
                                  • 478

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by raydog
                                  big daddy and dolson...the fact that they refuse/cant produce a tracking # for this screams of bubblegum whoreshit...its a garbage move and means the havent mailed shit to the guy yet...seriously, you know this
                                  Raydog, I will bet you SBR bonus points, give you 2 to 1, that this guy gets paid by this time next week. Seriously.
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                                  • BigDaddy
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-01-06
                                    • 8378

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by raydog
                                    big daddy and dolson...the fact that they refuse/cant produce a tracking # for this screams of bubblegum whoreshit...its a garbage move and means the havent mailed shit to the guy yet...seriously, you know this

                                    you wanna know how many books promised tracking #'s yet could never get you one?

                                    betjam used to say they would have the tracking # and by the time they got it to you

                                    the package was already delivered

                                    that is a fact.

                                    i'm sure anyone else that used them can confirm that to be true.

                                    you know what?

                                    i didn't care as i got the package

                                    so whats the big deal with the tracking # ?
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                                    • darkhat
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 08-18-10
                                      • 5722

                                      #19
                                      How come we don't see tons of people ripping on betislands and rebatewager??? Oh cause there are barely ever any issues with them.
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                                      • raydog
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 11-07-07
                                        • 6984

                                        #20
                                        it shows a sign of trust that the book isnt dicking you around, bd... and yes, there are large books like bj that have so many withdrawals daily that they either get lazy and forget or things get a little mixed up and they didnt get it to you...this aint the case with this little book...they appear to be flat out stalling or are just lazy...either way, it looks bad

                                        dolson, im not saying he wont get paid...but dont close an acct. and tell the client a check will be mailed out that day and then promise something like a tracking # for good faith...only to renege on said promise and give no explanation and simply stall... 4-5 days means 7-8 usually...we all know this, but it takes no time at all to get tracking info after a check has actually been mailed these days...they are done with the player, therefore they dont give a shit about him enough to use some common cs courtesy...its not uncommon
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                                        • thebookie
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 07-28-10
                                          • 104

                                          #21
                                          During baseball season, we like to limit our exposure, so we often reduce wager limits, and action from players.


                                          We are smart enough to know what we can and not take, during the slow season (baseball season). Players we limit, or ask to take a break during slow time, are welcomed back during football season.


                                          Whats the use of having high limits, and taking smarter action from a small group of players, and put our players money, and our hold % at risk.


                                          ---


                                          Regarding the check request from TK, he was NOT asked to leave because he was winning, because TK is one of the dumbest players I have seen, he just got lucky. TK account was closed beacuse he is a complete pain in the ass and nuisence to deal with.


                                          Most of what he posted is NOT complete, but he wanted to hear.


                                          His funds will be sent to him, well before the 30 days time that we post on our web site.




                                          Withdrawal Payment Options


                                          You are able to cash in a positive balance in your Sportsbook / Casino account and receive your money via one of the following payment options:


                                          Person to Person:Request a cash payout using person to person money transfer. One payout request every 7 days. Request may take 7-15 business days to process. but usually arrive with in 48 hours.


                                          Bank Draft / Cashier Checks:Checks may take up to 30 days to arrive. One payout request every 7 days.




                                          Zack
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                                          • BigDaddy
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-01-06
                                            • 8378

                                            #22
                                            my point is it has been 3 days

                                            good god

                                            you guys act like its been 3 weeks

                                            unreal
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                                            • Hankwins
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-17-10
                                              • 2232

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by mrpooh
                                              1vice is not good. too many stories of dumping players, aftering just a small amount of winning
                                              Apparently they do not view 5K as small.
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                                              • Cuse4tw
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 03-16-10
                                                • 2895

                                                #24
                                                Calling a player dumb and lucky and a pain in the ass.

                                                Does Jon from betislands do this....no. Pretty immature from a professional
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                                                • raydog
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 11-07-07
                                                  • 6984

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BigDaddy
                                                  my point is it has been 3 days

                                                  good god

                                                  you guys act like its been 3 weeks

                                                  unreal
                                                  and we see your point and i completely agree....op shouldnt expect 4-5 days...perhaps he is new to the way things work(op, 4-5 days can mean weeks if not a month, fwiw)...but IF a check has been mailed, which it obviously has not (after reading the post from zack) , they should give the kid a little reassurance he isnt getting stiffed... i dunno, just seems like small newer books would try harder to keep their name away from problems like this one
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                                                  • TK
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 12-05-09
                                                    • 45

                                                    #26
                                                    Hey! there is no need to get personal "Zack" - As to "dumb" - that is pretty ironic, if I were so "dumb" you would never let me leave with $5K of "your" money as certainly you would get it all back. So you kick out only the "dumb"players that win money. Suppose, that makes you very smart.

                                                    As to your statement, which is now here for everyone to see: "His funds will be sent to him, well before the 30 days time that we post on our web site." Who should I believe? This is what "Griffin" told me after he asked me for the link to this post...


                                                    as you requested

                                                    Griffin
                                                    great
                                                    thnx
                                                    lol
                                                    i will make sure your money gets to you on the 30th day
                                                    good luck

                                                    I have the actual screen shot of the chat.

                                                    You toss me from your book, because I presumably am a pain in the ass, then continue to insult me, promise me payment in 3-4 bizz days, then turn around and do this???

                                                    So when is it "ZACK"?? on the 30th day, never, 3-4 biz days, or well before? I was zeroed out and "paid out" on 7/30. I will let everyone know when I get paid.

                                                    I ask that you please refrain from more personal attacks. I am willing to work with you, but I will not sit here and take personal attacks.

                                                    Thanks
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                                                    • minet123
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 02-17-07
                                                      • 10280

                                                      #27
                                                      Right from the Kenny W (RIP) playbook for the summer slow season
                                                      1) There is NO such things as "bad" press
                                                      2) Drama sells,MADE UP drama sells even better
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                                                      • Smoke
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 10-09-09
                                                        • 48111

                                                        #28
                                                        I agree with Zack

                                                        This TK guy is a pain in the ass
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                                                        • thebookie
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 07-28-10
                                                          • 104

                                                          #29
                                                          No personal attack intended, just my option of the action.

                                                          Please check your email need verification of your address, and a 2nd payment option that may be quicker.
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                                                          • Legions36
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-17-10
                                                            • 3032

                                                            #30
                                                            Yeah this guy is annoying. If he wants his money fast why not just do p2p and get it in a few payments? Im pretty sure if he did it that way he would get it by tommorrow, hes to cheep to pay the fees and wants his $ now lol. Get in line, usually offshore if u want your $ fast u gotta pay just like everyone else.
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                                                            • TK
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 12-05-09
                                                              • 45

                                                              #31
                                                              Thank you. I received and replied to your email.
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                                                              • thebookie
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 07-28-10
                                                                • 104

                                                                #32
                                                                PAID IN FULL , please confirm.

                                                                If you want to play during football, call me end of Aug

                                                                Z
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                                                                • TK
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 12-05-09
                                                                  • 45

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Wow. You absolutely did come through. Griffin personally contacted me and found a way to pay me in full (every dime). I think there was a misunderstanding in the way I was shown the door, and it unfortuantely got a bit personal, but I have never seen someone go out of their way like this. And, I was indeed paid within 3-4 days!


                                                                  Thanks Griffin and best of luck.
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                                                                  • ProfaneReality
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 04-14-09
                                                                    • 7607

                                                                    #34
                                                                    yes please confirm..
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                                                                    • raydog
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 11-07-07
                                                                      • 6984

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by minet123
                                                                      Right from the Kenny W (RIP) playbook for the summer slow season
                                                                      1) There is NO such things as "bad" press
                                                                      2) Drama sells,MADE UP drama sells even better
                                                                      awesome...quoting a fukking scumbag who got himself so buried he had to kill himself to get away...kenny had a warped way of looking at things
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